JoseThailand Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Putin will end like Hitler, Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Karadzic, Milosevic and other terrorist dictators and murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: They did very well without any help repelling the attempted invasion into Kiev. This is not about Biden alone, its about NATO, EU the UK along with other countries. Who knows where this goes? certainly not you that's for sure Biden (US) pumps more $$ into UA than all of the EU combined. If not for the western financing this proxy war UA would be hanging russian flags everywhere. The U.S. remains the biggest overall contributor, with €42.7 billion, or about half of the commitments, while the EU has ponied up €27.2 billion across countries and European institutions. “It is remarkable that the US alone has committed considerably more than all EU countries combined, in whose immediate neighborhood the war is raging,” the paper notes. https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-really-helping-ukraine-voloymyr-zelensky-france-emmanuel-macron-russia-11655410110 Edited June 27, 2022 by lemmie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, JoseThailand said: Putin will end like Hitler, Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Karadzic, Milosevic and other terrorist dictators and murderers. He has nothing in common with this list. He is light years ahead of them and most others in terms of raw power, nukes and resources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, lemmie said: Biden (US) pumps more $$ into UA than all of the EU combined. If not for the western financing this proxy war UA would be hanging russian flags everywhere. But the west is helping and Russia is not flying flags everywhere, sorry to disappoint you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, lemmie said: A starving world with an energy crisis will get them scrambling like rats. But, should it progress this far, is that what you want to see? No, that's why Russia should stop its invasion. The west isn't going to stop its defence of Ukraine., 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoseThailand Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, lemmie said: He has nothing in common with this list. He is light years ahead of them and most others in terms of raw power, nukes and resources. Remember what happened to Stalin? His own mates betrayed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, Bkk Brian said: But the west is helping and Russia is not flying flags everywhere, sorry to disappoint you. The disappointment stems from the carnage, pure and simple. If you can see that, then there's no reason I should engage with you any further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoseThailand Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Putin is old and sick and will die soon. He knows that, and is trying to make history while he's still alive, but the time is running up for him. Edited June 27, 2022 by JoseThailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, lemmie said: The disappointment stems from the carnage, pure and simple. If you can see that, then there's no reason I should engage with you any further. I can see it all too well, the carnage created by Putins attack and ongoing war crimes will be defeated by the west. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoseThailand Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I hope we can see a new Russia soon, free and peaceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just in: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-politics-d649a733dc688379ec15652b19ae305f No help, where is this 50 or $80B in military aid to UA paid for by the US tax payers? When is it time for the west to defeat Putin, after all the shopping malls are destroyed in Ukraine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, JoseThailand said: I hope we can see a new Russia soon, free and peaceful. You mean free and peaceful UA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoseThailand Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, lemmie said: You mean free and peaceful UA? Ukraine has been free for 30 years and I hope will stay that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, lemmie said: Time to cut the loses and get on with it, don't you think and agree? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-war-eastern-ukraine-gains-lysychansk/ https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-24-22/h_32749f641e3b3cc3612c553da6421eec https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61920708 1,000's more will die in UA. So will thousands more of Russians. Russia's own financial experts are predicting the effects of the war and sanctions will be costing Russia for a decade in terms of GDP. The only help they will get is from the Chinese, and they don't play nice either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoseThailand Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, Lacessit said: Russia's own financial experts are predicting the effects of the war and sanctions will be costing Russia for a decade in terms of GDP. The only help they will get is from the Chinese, and they don't play nice either. Even Kazakhtan's president refused to recognize the new quasi states in the Russian-occupied territories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, Lacessit said: So will thousands more of Russians. Russia's own financial experts are predicting the effects of the war and sanctions will be costing Russia for a decade in terms of GDP. The only help they will get is from the Chinese, and they don't play nice either. Tell that to the 1000 or so shoppers that just got bombed in Ukraine’s central city of Kremenchuk, maybe they will care if they don't die. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-politics-d649a733dc688379ec15652b19ae305f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Analysis: Tide turns in the Ukraine war as Russia makes progress in the east "They have eliminated most Ukrainian defenses in the Luhansk region, consolidated control of a belt of territory in the south, improved their logistics and command structure and blunted the effectiveness of Ukrainian attack drones." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/analysis-tide-turns-in-the-ukraine-war-as-russia-makes-progress-in-the-east/ar-AAYUcsB This is typical of the reports now circulating and reporting on the situation in UA. Its not even a war at this point but an incursion. I don't see much hope for UA now. Zelenskyy needs to talk real nice to the western war mongers to find a way out of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, lemmie said: He has nothing in common with this list. He is light years ahead of them and most others in terms of raw power, nukes and resources. You mean a demoralized army of conscripts? Armaments no other country will buy, because it's been demonstrated how vulnerable in the battlefield they are? Oil and gas he won't be able to sell, as Europe reduces its dependency? His manufacturing capacity is being degraded by the lack of spare parts that would normally be flowing into Russia. Nukes mean nothing, it's called Mutual Assured Destruction. Putin knows if he uses them, Russia would be obliterated. Dictators all end up believing their own BS, and surrounding themselves with yes-men. Their nightmare is ending up like Gaddafi, Hussein and Ceausescu. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, lemmie said: The disappointment stems from the carnage, pure and simple. If you can see that, then there's no reason I should engage with you any further. Maybe you should let the Ukrainians decide whether the carnage is worth it or not. Not for you to decide whether or not the Ukrainians think Russia's plan for them as a people warrants continued resistance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, lemmie said: Tell that to the 1000 or so shoppers that just got bombed in Ukraine’s central city of Kremenchuk, maybe they will care if they don't die. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-politics-d649a733dc688379ec15652b19ae305f Perhaps also tell that to the thousands of Russian parents who are not even informed their sons are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, lemmie said: But, the real damage is in the south and well, go check out Mariupol, is it still there? Yes we know what happened at Mariupol, one of the worst war crimes so far including the theater that was clearly targeted and bombed with 600 dead. You seem to find this amusing Edited June 27, 2022 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, lemmie said: Tell that to the 1000 or so shoppers that just got bombed in Ukraine’s central city of Kremenchuk, maybe they will care if they don't die. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-politics-d649a733dc688379ec15652b19ae305f When Ukrainian soldiers and civilians surrendered to the Russians they often got killed anyway. On what basis would you suggest more just surrender to be killed? Edited June 27, 2022 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, lemmie said: Analysis: Tide turns in the Ukraine war as Russia makes progress in the east "They have eliminated most Ukrainian defenses in the Luhansk region, consolidated control of a belt of territory in the south, improved their logistics and command structure and blunted the effectiveness of Ukrainian attack drones." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/analysis-tide-turns-in-the-ukraine-war-as-russia-makes-progress-in-the-east/ar-AAYUcsB This is typical of the reports now circulating and reporting on the situation in UA. Its not even a war at this point but an incursion. I don't see much hope for UA now. Zelenskyy needs to talk real nice to the western war mongers to find a way out of this. It's just one of the analyses being presented, to say it is typical is lying. Other analysts are saying the Russian forces are so exhausted they are only capable of incremental gains. You fail to understand Ukrainians hate Russians. With their history,it would be impossible not to. I'm predicting this war will end as it did in Afghanistan, the difference being the Russian body count will be much higher, and the stagnation of the Russian economy will be much worse than under Brezhnev. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, lemmie said: Analysis: Tide turns in the Ukraine war as Russia makes progress in the east "They have eliminated most Ukrainian defenses in the Luhansk region, consolidated control of a belt of territory in the south, improved their logistics and command structure and blunted the effectiveness of Ukrainian attack drones." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/analysis-tide-turns-in-the-ukraine-war-as-russia-makes-progress-in-the-east/ar-AAYUcsB This is typical of the reports now circulating and reporting on the situation in UA. Its not even a war at this point but an incursion. I don't see much hope for UA now. Zelenskyy needs to talk real nice to the western war mongers to find a way out of this. Russia isn't a war monger? What is it doing? Reclaiming it's former empire? Even if Russia wins in Ukraine, it's economy is finished for decades. Fossil fuels will be unused in 30 years and Russia has nothing more of substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Other analysts are saying the Russian forces are so exhausted they are only capable of incremental gains. Yes, easy to say that here, and you may be onto something but I doubt the veracity of your claim without corroboration. You should try to post something that backs up your dubious claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, lemmie said: I don't see much hope for UA now. Zelenskyy needs to talk real nice to the western war mongers to find a way out of this. Delusion by a Russian apologist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Even if Russia wins in Ukraine, Yes, Russia is on the military offensive in a land dispute just like all the others wars based on land or territorial disputes, and those based on questionable basis such as the Iraq invasion and all the weapons of mass destruction. And now, in order to prolong the war the EU and the genius in the WH figures this will be a great opportunity weaken Putin and oh....all the while 10,000's of Ukrainians get slaughtered. Sounds like a winning strategy and outcome for, whom exactly I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 8:18 PM, onthedarkside said: The Russian military will soon exhaust its combat capabilities The source: Quote ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, coolcarer said: Delusion by a Russian apologist. I don't like Putin at all, but what I dislike more is war mongers pounding the war drums, and if all this keeps up, this tough talk of NATO and 300K troops, and so on, don't say you didn't see it coming when the fire reigns down on all of mankind. Then it's too late, it may be all over for many. So, your specific delusion, I think you have some good basis for it. Edited June 27, 2022 by lemmie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coolcarer Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, lemmie said: I don't like Putin at all, but what I dislike more is war mongers pounding the war drums, and if all this keeps up, this tough talk of NATO and 300K troops, and so on, don't say you didn't see it coming when the fire reigns down on all of mankind. Then it's too late, it may be all over for many. So, your specific delusion, I think you have some good basis for it. There was only one war monger who started this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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