NATO to put 300,000 troops on high alert in response to Russia threat, up from 40,000

[onthedarkside]

 

Nato’s secretary general said this week’s Madrid summit would agree the alliance’s most significant transformation for a generation, putting 300,000 troops at high readiness in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

 

Jens Stoltenberg added that the military alliance’s existing forces in the Baltic states and five other frontline countries would be increased “up to brigade levels” – doubled or trebled to between 3,000 and 5,000 troops.

 

That would amount to “the biggest overhaul of our collective defence and deterrence since the cold war,” Stoltenberg said before the meeting of the 30-country alliance, which runs from Tuesday to Thursday this week.

 

The rapid reaction Nato Response Force currently numbers up to 40,000 but the proposed change amounts to a broader revision in response to Russian militarisation, which also includes bringing stocks of munitions and other supplies further east.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/27/nato-300000-troops-high-alert-russia-threat-ukraine

 

 

[wombat]

The 30 Country alliance are going to do collective little bits in their panty when the Bear drops a nuclear poo.

Edited June 27, 2022 by wombat

[Sydebolle]

Are all these Westerners out of their mind? 

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, wombat said:

The 30 Country alliance are going to do collective little bits in their panty when the Bear drops a nuclear poo.

If the bear drops a nuclear poo then it'll be the last one he ever drops

[jayceenik]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If the bear drops a nuclear poo then it'll be the last one he ever drops

Yes, no need for more after a first big poo and he has leveled a couple of war mongering Western capitals. China and the US are safe.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, jayceenik said:

Yes, no need for more after a first big poo and he has leveled a couple of war mongering Western capitals. China and the US are safe.

Please explain who has been the war monger here?

[VocalNeal]

How many sabres have they got to rattle?

Edited June 28, 2022 by VocalNeal

[Autonuaq]

9 hours ago, wombat said:

The 30 Country alliance are going to do collective little bits in their panty when the Bear drops a nuclear poo.

Think that you and with you many other seem to have forgotten the lessons learned from the cold war. As well from the nuclear testing around the 1950’s as well the lesson learned for the nuclear power plant accident back in 1986. The lessons learned is that whatever Putin or Russia does with tactical nuclear attacks it is  Russia who will suffer the most. All to do with how nature made the earth, the air exchange between the northern and southern hemisphere as well how the wind blows.

Putin and Russia know this very well too. Only the pacifists in the west have forgotten and can be scared easy due to the lack of knowledge. Beside the terrible events in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, as well the nuclear accident in the Ukraine in 1986 shown that life adapts.

 

War does not solve anything, still the agreements put on paper not can protect. Why are the former easter European countries so afraid of ‘Russian influence’ and not want to be liberated from the western influence? They are preparing to defend and  are totally not afraid to fight with all means if needed?

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, jayceenik said:

Yes, no need for more after a first big poo and he has leveled a couple of war mongering Western capitals. China and the US are safe.

"....war mongering Western capitals."

 

Ivan, that was funny!????

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Please explain who has been the war monger here?

Don't expect an answer soon, I hear Google translate works very slowly in Russia.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[ozimoron]

6 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

Are all these Westerners out of their mind? 

No, but they are concerned Putin is.

[Rob W]

9 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

Are all these Westerners out of their mind? 

Nope we're just not going to let Putin push his luck any further
And the last time I looked countries like Japan aren't classed as "The West" so you might want to expand  just a little bit to include the rest of the 141 countries that condemned Russia

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, jayceenik said:

Yes, no need for more after a first big poo and he has leveled a couple of war mongering Western capitals. China and the US are safe.

How do we know that someone is deeply immersed in Russian propaganda?

 

If they ignore the fact that Putin started the war in Ukraine and talk of Russia starting a nuclear war but refer to the other side as war mongers, they are deeply, irrationally immersed in Russian propaganda.

[gargamon]

7 hours ago, Rob W said:

And the last time I looked countries like Japan aren't classed as "The West" so you might want to expand  just a little bit to include the rest of the 141 countries that condemned Russia

With the UN being basically useless due to Russia and China having veto power over any substantive motions, expect NATO to start expansion into the sea of China. Initial members will be S.Korea, japan maybe Vietnam. Later additions will be the Philippines after much cleaning up of the corrupt government there. Taiwan? Hmmm.

[jayceenik]

23 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Please explain who has been the war monger here?

NATO and its EU vassal states.

 

[jayceenik]

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

How do we know that someone is deeply immersed in Russian propaganda?

 

If they ignore the fact that Putin started the war in Ukraine and talk of Russia starting a nuclear war but refer to the other side as war mongers, they are deeply, irrationally immersed in Russian propaganda.

Obviously you never heard of the Minsk agreements violated by US Marionette Zelensky.

And the US planning to make Ukraine a Nuclear-armed hostile to Russia state.

You also ignore that Ukraine has been attacking the Russophone Donbass region for 8 years.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, jayceenik said:

Obviously you never heard of the Minsk agreements violated by US Marionette Zelensky.

And the US planning to make Ukraine a Nuclear-armed hostile to Russia state.

You also ignore that Ukraine has been attacking the Russophone Donbass region for 8 years.

Does speaking Russian mean that the are should be part of Russia?

[jayceenik]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Does speaking Russian mean that the are should be part of Russia?

They want to keep on speaking Russian but Zelensky has forbidden the use of that language.

So, the Donbass wanted some sort of autonomy.

Anyway, they're now independent and can join Russia if they want to.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, jayceenik said:

They want to keep on speaking Russian but Zelensky has forbidden the use of that language.

So, the Donbass wanted some sort of autonomy.

Anyway, they're now independent and can join Russia if they want to.

No, he hasn't. Ukrainian has been mandated in schools and government. They remain part of Ukraine, they are occupied by Russia.

 

Even if what you claimed was true it isn't justification for invasion and war crimes.

 

I'm sick of Russian astroturfers who keep repeating the same disinformation over and over again.

Edited June 29, 2022 by ozimoron

[KhunLA]

Nice headliner .... ????

 

But,  lucky if they could even rustle up 30k, IMHO

300k ... guess ganga has been legal at NATO a lot longer than it has been here.

 

Do all politicians have stocks in oil, energy & defense contractors.

Edited June 29, 2022 by KhunLA

[Sydebolle]

16 hours ago, Rob W said:

Nope we're just not going to let Putin push his luck any further
And the last time I looked countries like Japan aren't classed as "The West" so you might want to expand  just a little bit to include the rest of the 141 countries that condemned Russia

To condemn Russia is one thing; lets see how things look in say, six months from now when Western Europe starts freezing their God-only-knows-what off. 

Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner. Woerner was Secy General of NATO at the time; the Yeltsin notes as well as the treaty of Minsk all refer to the same - NO expansion to the East. 

“Woerner stressed that the NATO Council and he are against the expansion of NATO (13 of 16 NATO members support this point of view).” https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16144-document-30-memorandum-boris-yeltsin)

Under the guided baton of the US, inched its way across the East and by 2009 all former Warsaw Pact members ...... were NATO members. This was totally contrary to what was agreed. Based on what else would Gorbachev and Shevardnadze have agreed to the unification of Germany?  

I disagree Putin's action and I feel more than sorry for Ukraine but it is, once more again, a pristine example of US gunned foreign policy creating disaster wherever they put their big nose in. Unlike some previous, rather costly, cokc-ups, the US can put all the bills onto Stoltenberg's desk in Brussels; the massive bills of the Vietnam disaster, footed by the US taxpayer, taught Washington a lesson .......

The media, then already, and now even worse, is a product which needs sales - nobody visits Pattaya for its orchid orchards. What you hear, see, read is not essentially, what really happens these days in Kiev, Brussels or Washington. 

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Nice headliner .... ????

 

But,  lucky if they could even rustle up 30k, IMHO

 

Perhaps read past the headline: "Nato Response Force currently numbers up to 40,000"

[heybruce]

45 minutes ago, jayceenik said:

NATO and its EU vassal states.

 

I see.  The war mongers are the countries that don't immediately surrender when Russia invades. 

 

Could you be any more obvious as a Russian troll?

[heybruce]

39 minutes ago, jayceenik said:

Obviously you never heard of the Minsk agreements violated by US Marionette Zelensky.

And the US planning to make Ukraine a Nuclear-armed hostile to Russia state.

You also ignore that Ukraine has been attacking the Russophone Donbass region for 8 years.

Obviously you are unaware that Russia has violated the Minsk agreements from the beginning by having Russian troops in Ukraine. 

 

You also are in denial of reality; Ukraine voluntarily gave up nuclear weapons and there are no plans by anyone to put such weapons in Ukraine.  Ukraine has been attacking hostile forces in Donbass seeking to expand their territory, and those forces have been attacking those parts of Ukraine not under their control.

 

Got anything that didn't come from Russia Today?

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

To condemn Russia is one thing; lets see how things look in say, six months from now when Western Europe starts freezing their God-only-knows-what off. 

Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner. Woerner was Secy General of NATO at the time; the Yeltsin notes as well as the treaty of Minsk all refer to the same - NO expansion to the East. 

“Woerner stressed that the NATO Council and he are against the expansion of NATO (13 of 16 NATO members support this point of view).” https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16144-document-30-memorandum-boris-yeltsin)

Under the guided baton of the US, inched its way across the East and by 2009 all former Warsaw Pact members ...... were NATO members. This was totally contrary to what was agreed. Based on what else would Gorbachev and Shevardnadze have agreed to the unification of Germany?  

I disagree Putin's action and I feel more than sorry for Ukraine but it is, once more again, a pristine example of US gunned foreign policy creating disaster wherever they put their big nose in. Unlike some previous, rather costly, cokc-ups, the US can put all the bills onto Stoltenberg's desk in Brussels; the massive bills of the Vietnam disaster, footed by the US taxpayer, taught Washington a lesson .......

The media, then already, and now even worse, is a product which needs sales - nobody visits Pattaya for its orchid orchards. What you hear, see, read is not essentially, what really happens these days in Kiev, Brussels or Washington. 

The only claim that is feebly supported is the source that showed that in 1991 13 of 16 NATO members at that time were not in favor of expanding NATO.  That is not an assurance against expansion.  The document was written at a time when there was misguided optimism that Russia would become a true democracy and behave itself.  Times have changed.

 

As has been stated repeatedly, no country has ever been coerced into joining NATO.  Countries request membership, are often rejected, and other times have to wait for long periods and meet conditions to join.

 

Please identify the 81% of wars that the US started.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, jayceenik said:

NATO and its EU vassal states.

 

Oh right, because you say so comrade, about as good as explanation as any good Putin apologist

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, jayceenik said:

Obviously you never heard of the Minsk agreements violated by US Marionette Zelensky.

And the US planning to make Ukraine a Nuclear-armed hostile to Russia state.

You also ignore that Ukraine has been attacking the Russophone Donbass region for 8 years.

Yep heard of it. Have you heard of the agreement before that? The Budapest agreement 1994?

 

Did you know Ukraine used to be the third-largest nuclear power in the world?

 

With the Budapest Agreement Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize, in exchange the Russian Federation would not threaten, use military force or economic coercion against Ukraine.

 

When that agreement was broken by Russia in 2014  a meeting of the signatories of the memorandum was called by Ukraine which took place in Paris. The foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, who was in Paris at the time, simply did not show up. So he wouldn't even come to the meeting in connection with the memorandum.

 

Can you provide a credible link to your claim that the US was planning to make Ukraine a Nuclear armed state again?

 

 

[NativeBob]

Jens is a raving lunatic. or, on the second thought - he does look like those tour-guides in Pattaya pushing too hard to sell <deleted> from gift shops. Follow the money )))

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Sydebolle said:

 

I beg to differ:

 

List of wars involving Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

[Sydebolle]

36 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I beg to differ:

 

List of wars involving Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

As said, Sir, the Russians are no choirboys either but the canvassing of Europe under the umbrella of NATO; latter securing whatever in this North Atlantic alliance, is a different thing.
If such an umbrella keeps inching East despite having engraved 30 years earlier NOT to do so ....... 

I also query the UN with its Blue Helmets peace force; the structure of the UN with Russia in the security council vetoing everything (like Israel throwing all Palestine resolutions into the shredder) with 25% of the funds from the US ....... another seriously failed organization. 

Maybe it is time for WW3 to clean up this tremendous mess all over the planet; I always hoped, that it could be done differently though ..........