(EU) Ukraine war: Germany fears Russia gas cut may become permanent

[CharlieH]

 

Russian natural gas supplies to Germany via the Baltic Sea pipeline Nord Stream 1 have been halted for 10 days for annual maintenance work.

But German Economy Minister Robert Habeck warned that EU countries had to be prepared in case gas shipments did not resume.

He has accused the Kremlin of using gas "as a weapon" in response to EU sanctions over the war in Ukraine.

 

BBC News article

 

 

[ThaIrish Sean]

You were warned often not to get into bed with Russia as far as your energy needs were concerned and you ignored all of these warnings.

Too many eggs in one basket.

You are reaping your rewards now. Stop bleating and find alternatives..... Quickly!!!

[lemmie]

They shut-in the coal and nuke plants and rushed their green program, now they are hooped, and now DE is going to have a long, cold winter, unless the powers to be get going on this US proxy war, that Putin is winning in more ways than one.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, lemmie said:

They shut-in the coal and nuke plants and rushed their green program, now they are hooped, and now DE is going to have a long, cold winter, unless the powers to be get going on this US proxy war, that Putin is winning in more ways than one.

A US proxy war that not only Ukraine, but countries on Russia's borders such as Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland enthusiastically support. How condescending can you be? You might ask yourself what these border nations know about Russia that you don't.

[lemmie]

Russia duped the EU and now there is a big huge energy crisis looming with fallout recessionary  pressures on EU countries:

• An EU embargo on Russian energy products puts Europe at risk of recession, Barclays said this week.

Here's a hum-dinger: Link_ru_ENV

 

"Shellenberger said that 15 years ago, "Europe produced more natural gas than Russia," but that all changed as "Russia increased its natural gas production and Europe reduced it."

"Europe decided not to frack in large part in response to climate activists," Shellenberger told Fox News. "We now think there is strong evidence suggesting [the climate activists] were supported directly through financing from Russia."

 

This is one ugly situation that the Biden war mongers are luvin it seems. More weapons for UA, less energy for EU at the whim of Putin and GAZPROM.

Time to give it up, UA is getting reamed and well, what does America care about but to lead the finance team with more weapons and aid.

[placeholder]

54 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Russia duped the EU and now there is a big huge energy crisis looming with fallout recessionary  pressures on EU countries:

• An EU embargo on Russian energy products puts Europe at risk of recession, Barclays said this week.

Here's a hum-dinger: Link_ru_ENV

 

"Shellenberger said that 15 years ago, "Europe produced more natural gas than Russia," but that all changed as "Russia increased its natural gas production and Europe reduced it."

"Europe decided not to frack in large part in response to climate activists," Shellenberger told Fox News. "We now think there is strong evidence suggesting [the climate activists] were supported directly through financing from Russia."

 

This is one ugly situation that the Biden war mongers are luvin it seems. More weapons for UA, less energy for EU at the whim of Putin and GAZPROM.

Time to give it up, UA is getting reamed and well, what does America care about but to lead the finance team with more weapons and aid.

Michael Shellenberger is a notoriously unreliable source of information.

Book review: Bad science and bad arguments abound in ‘Apocalypse Never’ by Michael Shellenberger

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/07/review-bad-science-and-bad-arguments-abound-in-apocalypse-never/

 

As he didn't note, 15 years ago the Netherlands were the EU's biggest producer by far but have since depleted most of their gas reserves.

https://www.bloomberg.com/professional/blog/europes-biggest-natural-gas-producer-running-fuel/

 

Shellenberger claimed "we now think there is strong evidence" that Russians are supporting environmentalists.. The evidence is so strong that he only thinks it exists? He doesn't offer evidence to prove it? The truth is that fracking is unpopular with the citizenry of Europe. You don't need claims of Russian support to understand that.

Edited July 13, 2022 by placeholder

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, lemmie said:

 

Has Trump missed anything.

 

Yes he missed the invasion, unlike the US and UK 

 

Trump Says He Was ‘Surprised’ By Putin’s Ukraine Invasion

 

“I’m surprised — I’m surprised. I thought he was negotiating when he sent his troops to the border. I thought he was negotiating,” Trump said. “I thought it was a tough way to negotiate but a smart way to negotiate.”

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-surprised-vladimir-putin-ukraine-invasion-1321842/

[lemmie]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes he missed the invasion, unlike the US and UK 

 

Trump Says He Was ‘Surprised’ By Putin’s Ukraine Invasion

 

“I’m surprised — I’m surprised. I thought he was negotiating when he sent his troops to the border. I thought he was negotiating,” Trump said. “I thought it was a tough way to negotiate but a smart way to negotiate.”

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-surprised-vladimir-putin-ukraine-invasion-1321842/

lol

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed along with replies.

 

 

[lemmie]

Trump accused Germany of becoming ‘totally dependent’ on Russian energy at the U.N. The Germans just smirked.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/09/25/trump-accused-germany-becoming-totally-dependent-russian-energy-un-germans-just-smirked/

 

What more can you say. They should have pay attention to Trump's words.

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Trump accused Germany of becoming ‘totally dependent’ on Russian energy at the U.N. The Germans just smirked.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/09/25/trump-accused-germany-becoming-totally-dependent-russian-energy-un-germans-just-smirked/

 

What more can you say. They should have pay attention to Trump's words.

From Aug 25, 2016

Biden warns Europe against dependency on Russia for heating oil and natural gas

US Vice President Joe Biden warned European countries against becoming too dependent on Russian oil and gas, saying it would be "bad" for Europe.

Biden was specifically referring to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline which is supposed to deliver natural gas from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea. He called it "a fundamentally bad deal for Europe," adding that "Europe needs diverse sources of natural gas, not, in our view, a Nord Stream 2 pipeline."

https://www.dw.com/en/biden-warns-europe-against-dependency-on-russia-for-heating-oil-and-natural-gas/a-19503334

 

Biden was actually way ahead of Trump in warning of the dangers of depending on Russia for natural gas.

Edited July 13, 2022 by placeholder

[placeholder]

21 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Trump accused Germany of becoming ‘totally dependent’ on Russian energy at the U.N. The Germans just smirked.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/09/25/trump-accused-germany-becoming-totally-dependent-russian-energy-un-germans-just-smirked/

 

What more can you say. They should have pay attention to Trump's words.

This article is dated Nov 30, 2015

Seven EU countries oppose Nord Stream

Seven countries, all new members from Central and Eastern Europe, have rallied around the position that Russia’s plans to double the capacity of its gas pipeline to Germany run counter to EU interests and risk further destabilizing Ukraine, EURACTIV has learned.

A group of European companies signed an agreement with Gazprom in September to expand its Nord Stream pipeline to Germany, bypassing Ukraine...

Slovakia, Poland, as well as the USA have taken position against the expansion of Nord Stream.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/seven-eu-countries-oppose-nord-stream/

[lemmie]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He called it "a fundamentally bad deal for Europe," adding that "Europe needs diverse sources of natural gas, not, in our view, a Nord Stream 2 pipeline."

Biden clears way for Russian pipeline after blocking Keystone Pipeline in US

The Nord Stream 2 deal will transfer Russian gas to Germany via a pipeline running under the Baltic Sea

 

 

The Nord Stream 2 deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin's regime will transfer Russian gas to Germany via a pipeline running under the Baltic Sea. If completed, this new pipeline would double the amount of natural gas Russia transports directly to Europe and hand an enormous geopolitical victory to Vladimir Putin.

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-russia-nord-stream-pipeline-blocking-keystone

 

Biden can't get nothing right and screws up everything he touches.

 

 

[placeholder]

30 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Biden clears way for Russian pipeline after blocking Keystone Pipeline in US

The Nord Stream 2 deal will transfer Russian gas to Germany via a pipeline running under the Baltic Sea

 

 

The Nord Stream 2 deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin's regime will transfer Russian gas to Germany via a pipeline running under the Baltic Sea. If completed, this new pipeline would double the amount of natural gas Russia transports directly to Europe and hand an enormous geopolitical victory to Vladimir Putin.

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-russia-nord-stream-pipeline-blocking-keystone

 

Biden can't get nothing right and screws up everything he touches.

 

 

Actually, you got it wrong. Biden did agree to let Nordstream 2 go ahead. But in return, he got Germany's promise that if Russia invaded Ukraine, Nordstream 2 would die. Pretty prescient move, no?

 

Germany agrees to axe Nord Stream 2 if Russia invades Ukraine

The United States and Germany appear to have agreed that the Russia-favoured Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will not come to life if Russia invades Ukraine, according to statements from the two countries’ officials.

The first indication came from the US State Department, which said that Nord Stream 2, linking Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea, will not move forward if Russia invades Ukraine, in a significant strengthening of the West’s previous position on the strategically vital gas supply.

“I want to be very clear: if Russia invades Ukraine one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward,” State Department spokesperson Ned Price stated on Wednesday (26 January).

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/germany-agrees-to-axe-nord-stream-2-if-russia-invades-ukraine/

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by placeholder

[placeholder]

As for Trump...it wasn't until Jul 11, 2018 that he publicly opposed the Nordstream 2 pipeline. And then a few days later, he turned to mush on the issue:

 

Trump Softens on Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

During the press conference that followed this morning’s U.S.–Russia summit in Helsinki, Donald Trump seemed to soften his criticism of Nord Stream 2, a Russian-backed natural-gas pipeline that would run under the Baltic Sea from Russia to northern Germany.''

But following his sit-down with Putin, Trump was more amenable to Germany’s position. The president now says he knows “where they’re all coming from” and frames America’s dispute with Russia over energy issues as one between good-natured competitors.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/donald-trump-softens-russias-nord-stream-2/

 

With Trump Going Soft on Nord Stream, Congress Moves to Kill the Pipeline

U.S. lawmakers, at least, worry that Europe’s reliance on Moscow for energy could give Russia key leverage.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/19/with-trump-going-soft-on-nord-stream-congress-readies-to-kill-the-pipeline-russia-helsinki/