Long traffic delays at Dover ferry port are fault of Brexit, claim French

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

It's not really the EU punishing Brits though, is it? It's the EU sticking to the agreement negotiated with the UK (and which the UK signed off on) of ending freedom of movement between the EU and the UK.

 

I get the distinct impression some people thought this would be a one way process - it's as if they thought the UK would be able to stop free movement of EU citizens into the UK but UK citizens would keep their complete freedom of movement into EU countries.

 

This was never going to be the case, these kinds of restrictions are an inevitable consequence of no longer being a member state of the EU. You can't cancel your membership of an exclusive club and expect to still enjoy all the same benefits that you had when you were a member. It just doesn't work that way.

And who wrote this agreement? 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

It's not really the EU punishing Brits though, is it? It's the EU sticking to the agreement negotiated with the UK (and which the UK signed off on) of ending freedom of movement between the EU and the UK.

 

I get the distinct impression some people thought this would be a one way process - it's as if they thought the UK would be able to stop free movement of EU citizens into the UK but UK citizens would keep their complete freedom of movement into EU countries.

 

This was never going to be the case, these kinds of restrictions are an inevitable consequence of no longer being a member state of the EU. You can't cancel your membership of an exclusive club and expect to still enjoy all the same benefits that you had when you were a member. It just doesn't work that way.

The reasons for the delay is because staffing levels/problems at the French passport control , there wasn't enough French immigration  people checking Covid documents and hence there was a delays .

   Nothing to do with Brexit

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I'm advocating a preparation for war with an organisation (the EU under German control) that has always been the true enemy of England. Appeasement has never worked.

Oh my, hyperbolic post of the year contender.....

[Phoenix Rising]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

And who wrote this agreement? 

And who signed it?

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Yes, at a rough guess. If you don’t agree with my estimate why don’t you check the actual numbers. 
You won’t find them in The Garuniad. 

‘Rough Guess’.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Your opinion is your opinion.

However I think I will leave it there and avoid the watchlist you are probably on for your 'forthright' political views...

Just as I though the nonsense couldn’t get any worse, you’ve dreamt up ‘a watch list for forthright politics views’.

 

 

[Loiner]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Rough Guess’.

What were the actual passenger numbers then?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

What were the actual passenger numbers then?

It wasn’t me that introduced ‘probable’ and ‘rough guess’ of the numbers into the discussion.

 

That was you, the basis of the argument you are making is based on your ‘probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

 

I don’t owe you any numbers.

 

Your arguments are groundless.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And who signed it?

 

Boris of course.

[BritManToo]

48 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And who signed it?

 

Edward Heath?

[candide]

49 minutes ago, Loiner said:

What were the actual passenger numbers then?

You made a claim, It's your job to back it with numbers, but I doubt you will.

[Loiner]

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It wasn’t me that introduced ‘probable’ and ‘rough guess’ of the numbers into the discussion.

 

That was you, the basis of the argument you are making is based on your ‘probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

 

I don’t owe you any numbers.

 

Your arguments are groundless.

 

 

Prove me wrong then. It’s not like you to not have a link. Usually to some lefty anti-Brexit rag but we are just looking for numbers here.

Personally I don’t place much faith in most of the information published, especially if twisted spun and distorted in relation to Brexit. If I said ‘definitely’ based on actual records would you like to contradict me with your own version of the actuals?

[Loiner]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

You made a claim, It's your job to back it with numbers, but I doubt you will.

I’m well known for not scouring the internet just to prove a point to you lot. 

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I’m well known for not scouring the internet just to prove a point to you lot. 

So you don't have any point.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Prove me wrong then. It’s not like you to not have a link. Usually to some lefty anti-Brexit rag but we are just looking for numbers here.

Personally I don’t place much faith in most of the information published, especially if twisted spun and distorted in relation to Brexit. If I said ‘definitely’ based on actual records would you like to contradict me with your own version of the actuals?

You made your arguments on ‘probable’ numbers and a ‘rough guess’.

 

It’s for you to prove you are right.

 

Nobody here owes you anything.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I’m well known for not scouring the internet just to prove a point to you lot. 

That’s one of the things you are well known for, there are others.

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

So you don't have any point.

It was made further back in this very thread. 
The Spanish perform the same border checks infinitely more efficiently than the French. The Spanish have more border guards and better systems than the French and weren’t trying to harass British travellers last weekend. 

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s one of the things you are well known for, there are others.

C’mon get the actual figures, you know you want to blast me out of the water. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s one of the things you are well known for, there are others.

At least he supports his country, and the fact that France has caused the problem.

There are others here who are anti their own country regarding anything, and it shows, quite often, sadly...????

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

At least he supports his country, and the fact that France has caused the problem.

There are others here who are anti their own country regarding anything, and it shows, quite often, sadly...????

Wrapping yourself in the flag while backing Brexit, the single most agrievous act of self harm the UK has ever committed.

 

OK.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

C’mon get the actual figures, you know you want to blast me out of the water. 

You brought some fictitious numbers into the discussion, you need to back up you risible ’probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

But do feel free to continue to hold an embarrassing position, you’ve only your own credibility to lose.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You brought some fictitious numbers into the discussion, you need to back up you risible ’probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

But do feel free to continue to hold an embarrassing position, you’ve only your own credibility to lose.

 

The numbers of travellers arriving at any given  destination is irrelevant , the only relevant number is the amount of officers available processing the arrivals .

   There needs to be a sufficient amount of immigration officers  to process the arrivals 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Wrapping yourself in the flag while backing Brexit, the single most agrievous act of self harm the UK has ever committed.

 

OK.

 

I am English, but unlike you, I respect the UK populace Brexit vote, and don't go on day after day moaning about it, bad losers do that.

 

Brexit bad losers also make wild accusations to point the finger at their own country, when in this case the finger pointing is clearly at France, but as ever, anti-Brit Brits come out of the woodwork.........???? 

 

[Loiner]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You brought some fictitious numbers into the discussion, you need to back up you risible ’probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

But do feel free to continue to hold an embarrassing position, you’ve only your own credibility to lose.

 

You could even quote last month’s figures if you like. They will be lower than this month’s. 
Go on, shoot down my credibility with your advanced researching skills. 

[Loiner]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The numbers of travellers arriving at any given  destination is irrelevant , the only relevant number is the amount of officers available processing the arrivals .

   There needs to be a sufficient amount of immigration officers  to process the arrivals 

You are right that the ratio of officers to travellers is the key to processing times.
This exchange over numbers stems from our French friend’s claim that 10,000 passengers was too much. It certainly is for the French, whereas the Spanish man up for the numbers expected and deal with ten times that amount. 

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Wrapping yourself in the flag while backing Brexit, the single most agrievous act of self harm the UK has ever committed.

 

OK.

 

The single most grievous act of self harm was joining the EEC mutating Ponzi Scheme in the first place.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The single most grievous act of self harm was joining the EEC mutating Ponzi Scheme in the first place.

You mean the one that set the UK on course from ‘sick man of Europe’ to booming economy.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, transam said:

I am English, but unlike you, I respect the UK populace Brexit vote, and don't go on day after day moaning about it, bad losers do that.

 

Brexit bad losers also make wild accusations to point the finger at their own country, when in this case the finger pointing is clearly at France, but as ever, anti-Brit Brits come out of the woodwork.........???? 

 

There you go again, trying to keep comfortable b wrapping your self in the flag.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go again, trying to keep comfortable b wrapping your self in the flag.

As you mentioned flag, I thought apt, plus I am not one of those who points a finger in words at the British SAS over a TV program.

You did, disgraceful, but I am not surprised by an anti-Brit Brit...???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

As you mentioned flag, I thought apt, plus I am not one of those who points a finger in words at the British SAS over a TV program.

You did, disgraceful, but I am not surprised by an anti-Brit Brit...???? 

No I did not.

 

Stop making stuff up.