The Hammer2021 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Farang two dot zero said: Pollute the sea and the beaches... Human Pollution is a sign of life. Its perfectly natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Governments that have good business advisors realize that when the going gets tough the regulations are withdrawn to be in line with or easier than competitors. The military led government imagines richer tourists want to jump hurdles. Clearly they don't. The tourism industry would like tourists of all financial shapes and sizes of course and don't expect only billionaires. Time for a shakeup in thinking by those at the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunjeff Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, Robin said: Basically, as I remember, anyone who shoed up at Don Muang or a land border was given 28 days entry, possible to extend once. In the 80s, visa exempt entries were only 15 days - they were increased to 30 days in 1992 or 93. So these days, 95+% of tourists never have to deal with immigration at all other than at the arrival and departure counters. The many folks on this forum who say "Thai tourism is dead because foreigners can't buy land or work or stay ten months a year" seem to be using a different definition of "tourist" than most of the world uses. The vast majority of tourists - to Thailand and other countries - come during their holidays from work or school, stay for a few days up to a few weeks, and then go home. Those people typically aren't affected at all by changes in immigration policy, and aren't even aware of those changes. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Chicken feed explained. Approx. 1.5 million border runners, doing the trip every month, spent an average of 350'000 - 400'000 Baht per year each; do the maths and the mind boggles. The chicken feed was scared away to Cambodia, then the Russians came - and left, the Chinese came - and left and now it is the South Asians and Middle Easterners. Every tourism professional will confirm, that none of those groups are compatible per se with the Westerners (Europe, North America or Australia), although it was the Westerners being - by far - the best spending slice of the cake. Thailand went down the same way as Greece, Spain, some North African countries etc. A good product outpaced itself, got catapulted off the competition ramp by greedy cheaters, two-tier pricing and, in Thailand's case, complete overcomplication by the immigration goons with TM6, TM30 while longer term visitors are herded brainlessly into the immigration offices every 90 days; the extension procedure requires the same 2kgs of papers and photocopies, latter to be signed only with blue ink. For how long does Thailand think they can get away with it? In my opinion, the point of no return has passed quite some time ago, but explain that to the semi-divine Khon Thai and the ever-so-illogical masters of the successive governments of this beautiful country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 The sky is falling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, Farang two dot zero said: Fully agree with your analysis this selection by money may be valid for retirees but certainly not for tourists looking for cheap exoticism ! Cheapskates have not been excluded, they're still welcome here also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, Robin said: I am soon to be returning to Thailand with no visa, after letting my Retirement visa expire while in UK, an shocked as to how difficult/ uncertain it is to get a visa to enter Thailand. Huh? What could be easier than visa exempt entry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sydebolle said: For how long does Thailand think they can get away with it ? There immigration policies are good they should have the same in UK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Robin said: How many people are going o jump through the hoops set up by the current Junta, when there are plenty of other destinations much easier to get into? The people who want to come to Thailand will, but, which "hoops"? Edited July 28, 2022 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohitsuk Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 19 hours ago, internationalism said: it's better then in 80ties. you got now 30 days (not 28). no insurance, no hotel booking. Still need vax certificate. You need exit ticket within 30 days. That always was the case. There are talks about 45 days visa exempt The 45 day visa exempt was not approved by whatever committee on 16th June since when, silence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, pomchop said: i suspect that eventually nearly ALL the bar beers between beach road and second road will get shoved out, bulldozed to make room for more hotels/condos/shopping centers etc....won't happen over night but much of that land will become too valuable to support anything but highrises...just a matter of time..."good news:" is it will take a while and bars etc will get shoved further away from ocean but will still be around in some form or another. "won't happen overnight"...so we can call it Project Pantene? sorry, showing my age there ???? Edited July 28, 2022 by Lemsta69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, Robin said: Thailand does not want 'ordinary' tourists; only 'high quality tourists' spending $500++ per day, and staying for 14 days. Where has that been stated by Thai authorities? It's ok, got it, nowhere. Edited July 28, 2022 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, Robin said: Thailand appears to think that everyone in the world wants or need o visit Thailand and will do or pay almost anything to do so Which new costs, specifically, are now being charged to visitors that forces them "to pay almost anything" to enter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, Robin said: Does TAT have the ability and acumen to see what is happening and to try o reverse the trend? Since the end of Covid the number of visitors to Thailand is increasing, why would TAT want to reverse that trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, Robin said: Is there any reason to visit Thailand in preference o other SE Asia destinations? Will anyone, apart from Thais care? You're welcome to go elsewhere (even though, ironically, you're coming here) but, you're right, no one will care if you don't, not even Thais. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanos Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Once the CCP relaxes shut-downs and lockdowns of its 1.3bn people (and counting), due to enforced Covid restrictions, Thailand will have a bottomless well of tourists to keep dipping into. I believe the Thai government has one eye on this enormous potential on the doorstep, which will again be unlocked at some stage, and can be somewhat blasé about the future of tourism for the country as a money-spinner and foreign- exchange earner. Tourists from other countries will simply be the cherry on the top of the sundae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 hours ago, Lorry said: Now I spend about 2 days per month with immigration formalities. What are those "monthly Immigration formalities" that you suggest are in place? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 hours ago, Lorry said: And the feeling applying for a new visa or an extension is not nice - it used to be a mere formality, now the possibility of rejection is very real. What are you talking about? As it has always been, if you meet the requirements your application will not be rejected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohitsuk Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 The UK visa website gives contradictory information on the 60-day tourist visa. On one page it states the pre- covid fairly simple requirements but when you try to complete the online application you get all the <deleted> about declarations, £5k in a bank account for three months, proof of prepaid accommodation etc, etc. And, of course, today's new rule. This seems to be confused with the requirements of the STV which appears on another page and is all wrong, giving details of extending within Thailand not applying in the UK and if you arrive by cruise ship or yacht, as we all do. What a mess. Ironically the Laos Thai Embassy website is still with the original requirements for the 60-day tourist visa, for which you can book a five-minute slot between 9 am to midday to submit the papers and B1k to collect the visa two days later. A very silly and pathetically stupid petty snobbery seems to have developed in Thai immigration combined with nasty mean-spirited xenophobia, which mostly damages Thai people working in hotels and tourism. We can choose to go somewhere else, they cannot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: What has changed? I still see lots of tourist who spend maybe 100 or 200 USD per day. It's like having a shop and aiming for customers who buy the thing with the highest profit. Yes, you can aim for that, but lots of other customers still come and buy other things. And nobody tells those other customers to go away. It's still easy for tourists to come to Thailand and enjoy a holiday. I am not up to date about the regulations but I guess it's more difficult now for people to stay here many months or all the time. I.e. people who retire here need to have 800,000B in the bank. That's 2192B per day or about 60 USD per day. Is that a problem if Thailand wants that people have at least 60 USD per day? I don't think so. And it's obviously up to Thailand and the Thai people. Think about all the restrictions which other countries have for foreigners who want to live there all year long. Many countries have much stricter regulations than Thailand. And it's every country's right to have any restrictions they want. There is no such thing as a right for every person to live wherever they want. Oh, come on, you're being rational and realistic, that's not going to go down well here! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 9 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Woe is Thailand with brain dead leadership. Woe indeed, with visitor numbers increasing, how bad is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, steven100 said: Is this the end of Thailand's Tourist Industry? I certainly hope so ..... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, khunjeff said: In the 80s, visa exempt entries were only 15 days - they were increased to 30 days in 1992 or 93. So these days, 95+% of tourists never have to deal with immigration at all other than at the arrival and departure counters. The many folks on this forum who say "Thai tourism is dead because foreigners can't buy land or work or stay ten months a year" seem to be using a different definition of "tourist" than most of the world uses. The vast majority of tourists - to Thailand and other countries - come during their holidays from work or school, stay for a few days up to a few weeks, and then go home. Those people typically aren't affected at all by changes in immigration policy, and aren't even aware of those changes. Stop being sensible, it's against the forum rules, I think. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, rohitsuk said: The 45 day visa exempt was not approved by whatever committee on 16th June since when, silence. Oh dear, what a disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Indonesia has reverted to the VOA system instead of visa exempt. again. half a mil for 30 days, extendable once for 30 days. Rupiah that is. and initially not at all ports of entry. not at all easier than Thailand. try again because your first attempt at Thai bashing was a spectacular failure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konaboy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 9 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: 33% busy? Airports of Thailand (AOT) President Nitinai Sirismatthakarn (centre) met with the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) to discuss the lack of flight connections to Thailand which the airports boss revealed are only operating at 33% of the level seen in 2019. does the MARRIOTT STILL HAVE THEIR SEAFOOD BUFFET ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 20 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said: I don't really understand what the OP is suggesting. I thought You can still roll up here for a 30 day visa/ no visa for most nationalities. And you can still extend. Is the OP suggesting this is not possible? Exactly, as far as visa exempt is concerned nothing much has changed. The OP has a bee in his bonnet as he found the E-visa system a bit challenging. Whether people like it or not it is no longer the 1980s and many only want to move with times when it suits them. How many would be prepared to throw away their smartphones and go back to the days when all you had was a vandalised red box on the street corner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Why? my thoughts are Thailand made their bed ... what with all the quarantine and who knows how many folks were cheated out of their money because everyone wanted a piece of the pie. I wouldn't believe half of their test results as it's always about cheating and getting money. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, sandyf said: Exactly, as far as visa exempt is concerned nothing much has changed. The OP has a bee in his bonnet as he found the E-visa system a bit challenging. Whether people like it or not it is no longer the 1980s and many only want to move with times when it suits them. How many would be prepared to throw away their smartphones and go back to the days when all you had was a vandalised red box on the street corner. A vandalised phone box smelling of p짚! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Warrior Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 21 hours ago, Farang two dot zero said: Fully agree with your analysis this selection by money may be valid for retirees but certainly not for tourists looking for cheap exoticism ! sorry to say this is the case - thai government cant see the true facts .really not wanting ordinary tourist- their loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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