Takeaways from the court hearing on releasing more documents from the Mar-a-Lago search

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Here CNN is one of news channels in Thailand. I click on it to see what's new. Just like I catch the Gutfeld show for a laugh. Always funny stuff.

Watched 5 minutes today. I accept it is a small sample but had to turn it off. Firstly, I get that not every individual decision that democrats make at all levels of government, are good and correct. To me though he is simply using cherry picked examples, not looking at context, adding some obvious weak humour, and then worst of all, concluding  with some childish statement like  'Democrats are going to take away your rights and freedom'.

No subtlety. No humility or sense of being fair.  Bill Maher he is not. 

Edited August 20, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Chomper Higgot]

14 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

All we have to do is wait for the latest bombshell report. The walls are closing in on former President Trump. Some explosive testimony is in the offing.  This must be the beginning of the end..... gee, havent we all heard that some time in the past?

 

The only happy people are CNN and the rest of the democratic-cultural complex. Their ratings are up every time The Donald is mentioned. It has been boring trying to cover Biden for the past 18 months and not fall into a coma. But anything Trump says is instant ratings.

I think being caught in possession of TS/SCI documents relating to national security is as bad as it gets.

 

But hold.

 

Trump has a habit of accusing others of that which he himself is up to.

 

By all means stick with Trump, get the hat, the T-shirt, get the tattoo - somewhere we can all see it.

 

 

 

 

[LosLobo]

Giuliani while defending Trump on having classified document, he dropped this gem!

 

"Donald Trump’s former personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Thursday appeared to admit that Mr Trump had classified documents that are the property of the US government, during an appearance on the right-wing Newsmax television network".

 

Rudy Giuliani gives new excuse for Trump holding onto classified documents at Mar-a-Lago | The Independent
 

Edited August 20, 2022 by LosLobo

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

Giuliani while defending Trump on having classified document, he dropped this gem!

 

"Donald Trump’s former personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Thursday appeared to admit that Mr Trump had classified documents that are the property of the US government, during an appearance on the right-wing Newsmax television network".

 

Rudy Giuliani gives new excuse for Trump holding onto classified documents at Mar-a-Lago | The Independent
 

We know he had them, the FBI recovered them from his home.

 

But nice to see even Giuliani can occasionally return to the reality based universe.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Giuliani while defending Trump on having classified document, he dropped this gem!

 

"Donald Trump’s former personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Thursday appeared to admit that Mr Trump had classified documents that are the property of the US government, during an appearance on the right-wing Newsmax television network".

 

Rudy Giuliani gives new excuse for Trump holding onto classified documents at Mar-a-Lago | The Independent
 

A new. ridiculous argument after all the others have failed (the FIB planted documents, documents were not classified, and other similar B.S.): Trump put them in a safe place to preserve them!! ????

 

"Now they want to make [Trump] responsible for having taken classified documents and preserve them"

https://www.indy100.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-documents-fbi

[Chomper Higgot]

So let’s game this out.

 

A Federal Judge (not the DOJ, not the FBI) will review the affidavit and decide what information may and may not be released to the public.

 

The information that is not released will be ‘blacked out’.

 

Be ready for the outrage that the DOJ/FBI (not a Federal Judge) is withholding information.

 

What matters to Trump’s supporters is the constant outrage.

 

 

[ballpoint]

1 hour ago, candide said:

A new. ridiculous argument after all the others have failed (the FIB planted documents, documents were not classified, and other similar B.S.): Trump put them in a safe place to preserve them!! ????

 

"Now they want to make [Trump] responsible for having taken classified documents and preserve them"

https://www.indy100.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-documents-fbi

I'm worried about the security of my local bank.  I think I'll steal all their money and preserve it under my bed.  I might even put a lock on the door if someone asks me to.

[candide]

46 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let’s game this out.

 

A Federal Judge (not the DOJ, not the FBI) will review the affidavit and decide what information may and may not be released to the public.

 

The information that is not released will be ‘blacked out’.

 

Be ready for the outrage that the DOJ/FBI (not a Federal Judge) is withholding information.

 

What matters to Trump’s supporters is the constant outrage.

 

 

From what I understand, the unredacted parts may be about the history of contacts with Trump previous to the seizure, I.e. how many times he's been asked to return documents, his replies, etc...

I guess Trumps supporters will describe it as harassment! ????

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50 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

I'm worried about the security of my local bank.  I think I'll steal all their money and preserve it under my bed.  I might even put a lock on the door if someone asks me to.

You're not stealing the bank's money. You're just relocating it to a more secure place. Just be sure to get a padlock.

[KanchanaburiGuy]

On 8/19/2022 at 9:38 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Its an unwritten rule that ex Presidents are left alone and allowed a quiet and dignified life after serving. If other ex-Presidents are left completely alone after making monstrous decisions based on false evidence that literally led to the deaths of millions of people in the middle east, then other ex Presidents will be left alone over paperwork issues that caused zero deaths and zero harm.

 It is all a question of comparative seriousness of the alleged crime. In my mind killing millions of people is worse than possessing some documents in safe storage that may have been reclassified after Trump left office. 

 You "one law and nobody above it" is a troll. You know full well the democrats and republicans are held to different standards. Allegations against Republicans without evidence get major air time and discussion. Allegations against Democrats with mountains of evidence are censored across social media.

Hmmm.

 

Do you believe that Two-Wrongs-Make-A-Right, as the saying goes?

 

Apparently you do.

 

Because here you are arguing that because a previous President did something you believe was very wrong, but was not held to account for it......... ("millions dead!")........  that means that Trump should also not be held accountable for what he has [allegedly] done wrong.

 

Two-Wrongs-Make-A-Right?

 

Seems to me that you agree that ex-Presidents should be held accountable for their actions............ (one law for everyone)........ because you yourself provided an example of one you believe hasn't been, and your tone suggests you're not very happy about it.

 

So it is confusing why you would then use that as an explanation for why Trump shouldn't  be held accountable.......... when it seems the correct reaction would be to use the previous "failure"........... as added encouragement.......... to do the right thing, THIS TIME!

 

Very baffling. Because I've never believed that just because the last guy managed to get away with it, the next guy ought to be allowed to get away with it, also!

 

So, I'll ask again.

 

Do......... Two-Wrongs-Make-A-Right?

 

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

[KanchanaburiGuy]

On 8/19/2022 at 11:29 AM, JonnyF said:

It's an opinion based on what we know so far.

 

If you don't like people giving their opinions (unless they are 100% aligned with yours), then maybe forums are not for you?

All due respect, opinions have certain word structures that make it clear that they are merely opinions. What you've done in the couple of posts that have been questioned is make declarative statements: e.g. -- "There is no evidence."

 

Just saying "There is no evidence" is not an opinion statement; it is a declarative statement that is intended to be accepted as fact.

 

This is a casual conversation environment, so there's really no need to say each and every thing just so. But to make bold declarative statements like you have..........and later claim they were "just my opinion".......... crosses that mystical line separating workable communication from poor communication............ even in a casual conversation environment, such as this! 

 

Cheers!

[riclag]

16 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Hmmm.

 

Do you believe that Two-Wrongs-Make-A-Right, as the saying goes?

 

Apparently you do.

 

Because here you are arguing that because a previous President did something you believe was very wrong, but was not held to account for it......... ("millions dead!")........  that means that Trump should also not be held accountable for what he has [allegedly] done wrong.

 

Two-Wrongs-Make-A-Right?

 

Seems to me that you agree that ex-Presidents should be held accountable for their actions............ (one law for everyone)........ because you yourself provided an example of one you believe hasn't been, and your tone suggests you're not very happy about it.

 

So it is confusing why you would then use that as an explanation for why Trump shouldn't  be held accountable.......... when it seems the correct reaction would be to use the previous "failure"........... as added encouragement.......... to do the right thing, THIS TIME!

 

Very baffling. Because I've never believed that just because the last guy managed to get away with it, the next guy ought to be allowed to get away with it, also!

 

So, I'll ask again.

 

Do......... Two-Wrongs-Make-A-Right?

 

 

 

 

Does a political establishment who has been obsessed with Trump ,provoke and initiate uncharted unhinged  radical never before seen actions against a former POTUS!

 

My takeaway.You will find in litigations going forward what was good for the goose will still be good for the goose ! I think many of Trumps team are going to use past privileges afforded the office as a defense! Imop

 

Whats the trigger word for this constitutional crisis the doj/ fbi has unleashed

“unprecedented” ! 

Close to  250 years  of existence and so close to a election .These are radical over reaching actions imop

[KanchanaburiGuy]

On 8/19/2022 at 11:58 AM, AndyFoxy said:

Then the fact you approve of the current use of the justice system for political vengeance is suggestive of your own irrationality.

I'm sorry, I'm trying to work this out......

 

Is Biden supposed to be "vengeful" because he WON???

 

That's certainly not been my own experience of human nature, but, well......... !

 

Lol

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, candide said:

From what I understand, the unredacted parts may be about the history of contacts with Trump previous to the seizure, I.e. how many times he's been asked to return documents, his replies, etc...

I guess Trumps supporters will describe it as harassment! ????

Not exactly what people want to know so they are likely to complain. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Does a political establishment who has been obsessed with Trump ,provoke and initiate uncharted unhinged  radical never before seen actions against a former POTUS!

 

My takeaway.You will find in litigations going forward what was good for the goose will still be good for the goose ! I think many of Trumps team are going to use past privileges afforded the office as a defense! Imop

 

Whats the trigger word for this constitutional crisis the doj/ fbi has unleashed

“unprecedented” ! 

Close to  250 years  of existence and so close to a election .These are radical over reaching actions imop

Not as close to an election as the last “Unprecedented” we were treated to.

[KanchanaburiGuy]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Does a political establishment who has been obsessed with Trump ,provoke and initiate uncharted unhinged  radical never before seen actions against a former POTUS!

 

My takeaway.You will find in litigations going forward what was good for the goose will still be good for the goose ! I think many of Trumps team are going to use past privileges afforded the office as a defense! Imop

 

Whats the trigger word for this constitutional crisis the doj/ fbi has unleashed

“unprecedented” ! 

Close to  250 years  of existence and so close to a election .These are radical over reaching actions imop

Well, personally, I see it going all the way back the the Robert Bork confirmation hearings. As far as I can recall, everything turned rather nasty, thereafter. 

 

Then Clinton got impeached.

 

And the Democrats would have LOVED to return the favor with Bush II, over Iraq. (Only stopped, I believe, because the "optics" would have looked exactly like what it was: petty payback!) ---------- (But look at the BEATING GWBush took in the press for 8 years!) 

 

And then the Republicans would have LOVED to impeach Mr Obama, but he was saved two ways. First, he was black. The FIRST black President. And that was........... er......... problematic! Second, that would have been the second one in a row........... second DEMOCRAT in a row! And that would have looked downright vindictive! ("Optics," again!) ---------- (But Obama got eviscerated on talk radio and TV opinion shows!)

 

* So, the Democrats beat up on Bork.

 

* Then the Republicans retaliate on Clinton.

 

* Then the Democrats would LOVE to get even on Bush, but can't. 

 

* Then the Republicans would love to get even for Bush's bad treatment, but are hindered.

 

And then along come a conman, a serial liar, a classless, no-nothing buffoon: Trump!

 

And the Democrats at this point have STILL never "properly gotten justice"----that is, payback for Bill Clinton's impeachment! They've been waiting a long, long, frustrating time!

 

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These things stopped being "politics" a long time ago. This sniping at the President ain't politics.......... It's a feud! It's the Hatfields and McCoys!

 

And not only did Trump walk into the middle of it, he was the Perfect Guy to walk into the middle of it! Because he proved......... again and again......... that he was SO DESERVING of what the Democrats wanted to do!

 

If the Democrats were determined to exorcise their angst on a Republican President........... they couldn't have chosen any better than the one that got elected!

 

I can just picture the Behind-the-Scenes at the DNC: "Sorry Hillary, sorry you didn't get elected. But can you believe we got *heeheehee* DONALD TRUMP instead!!!"

 

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So no, I don't see anything unusual, unexpected or unprecedented here. And it makes no difference that he is an "ex-President." 

 

Because what's going on here is a good old-fashioned feud; a feud that's been going on since the Robert Bork confirmation hearings, many moons ago!

 

And when you're talking about a feud, nothing is off the table, and the only thing you should reliably expect........... is that you're going to be hit with the unexpected!

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

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2 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

And the Democrats would have LOVED to return the favor with Bush II, over Iraq. (Only stopped, I believe, because the "optics" would have looked exactly like what it was: petty payback!) ---------- (But look at the BEATING GWBush took in the press for 8 years!) 

George W. Bush took a beating from the press for 8 years? Really? He got a free ride after 9/11. It was only after the lies that led to the iraq war became evident and the failures that followed in that war, and also a politically suicidal attempt to privatize social security, did his stock fall sharply.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Well, personally, I see it going all the way back the the Robert Bork confirmation hearings. As far as I can recall, everything turned rather nasty, thereafter. 

 

Then Clinton got impeached.

 

And the Democrats would have LOVED to return the favor with Bush II, over Iraq. (Only stopped, I believe, because the "optics" would have looked exactly like what it was: petty payback!) ---------- (But look at the BEATING GWBush took in the press for 8 years!) 

 

And then the Republicans would have LOVED to impeach Mr Obama, but he was saved two ways. First, he was black. The FIRST black President. And that was........... er......... problematic!

 

Second, that would have been the second one in a row........... second DEMOCRAT in a row! And that would looked downright vindictive! ("Optics," again!) ---------- (But Obama got eviscerated on talk radio and TV opinion shows!)

 

* So, the Democrats beat up on Bork.

 

* Then the Republicans retaliate on Clinton.

 

* Then the Democrats would LOVE to get even on Bush, but can't. 

 

* Then the Republicans would love to get even for Bush's bad treatment, but are hindered.

 

And then along come a conman, a serial liar, a classless, no-nothing buffoon: Trump!

 

And the Democrats at this point have STILL never "properly gotten justice"----that is, payback for Bill Clinton's impeachment! They've been waiting a long, long, frustrating time!

 

--------------

 

These things stopped being "politics" a long time ago. This sniping at the President ain't politics.......... It's a feud! It's the Hatfields and McCoys!

 

And not only did Trump walk into the middle of it, he was the Perfect Guy to walk into the middle of it! Because he proved......... again and again......... that he was SO DESERVING of what the Democrats wanted to do!

 

If the Democrats were determined to exorcise their angst on a Republican President........... they couldn't have chosen any better than the one that got elected!

 

I can just picture the Behind-the-Scenes at the DNC: "Sorry Hillary, sorry you didn't get elected. But can you believe we got *heeheehee* DONALD TRUMP instead!!!"

 

-------------

 

So no, I don't see anything unusual, unexpected or unprecedented here. And it makes no difference that he is an "ex-President." 

 

Because what's going on here is a good old-fashioned feud; a feud that's been going on since the Robert Bork confirmation hearings, many moons ago!

 

And when you're talking about a feud, nothing is off the table, and the only thing you should reliably expect........... is that you're going to be hit with the unexpected!

 

 

What’s unprecedented here is a former President putting US National Security at risk.

 

It has to be assumed that the contents of every single document Trump had in his possession at Mar-a-Largo have been seen by or transmitted to US adversaries.

Once TS/SCI documents relating to National Security are involved it is no longer just about Trump, far far from it.

Edited August 20, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Perhaps there is a good reason for him not disclosing his sources of information.

 

If it was Fox, I would be reticent too.

 

In the recent past, Fox used the defence that "a reasonable viewer of ordinary intelligence listening or watching" would no believe the programming in the successful summation of a defamation case.

 

Obviously a lot of viewers believe every utterance of Fox commentators.

 

So what does say about Fox's attitude to their viewers and their viewers ability for critical thinking.

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

Fox news really is not that bad, it is the Tucker Carlson et Al that are not news programs.

[Bkk Brian]

For my latest trick.

 

I'm still looking for a decent attorney however, I only hire the best.......................lol

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1560747569546133504

 

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, riclag said:

Does a political establishment who has been obsessed with Trump ,provoke and initiate uncharted unhinged  radical never before seen actions against a former POTUS!

 

My takeaway.You will find in litigations going forward what was good for the goose will still be good for the goose ! I think many of Trumps team are going to use past privileges afforded the office as a defense! Imop

 

Whats the trigger word for this constitutional crisis the doj/ fbi has unleashed

“unprecedented” ! 

Close to  250 years  of existence and so close to a election .These are radical over reaching actions imop

The FBI that's always been led by a white Republican male? That FBI?

 

A previous Republican director threw the 2016 election to the Republicans and this is the thanks they get!

Edited August 20, 2022 by ozimoron

[habanero]

On 8/18/2022 at 9:03 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

And very rightly so.

 

This is an ongoing investigation into national security, why do Trump and his supporters want to see an affidavits that they all know will be delivered to them if an indictment is filed?

 

Perhaps they want to know the names of witnesses, to stick their names addresses and the names and addresses of their families on ‘Truth Social’.

 

Affidavits in ongoing criminal investigations are not revealed to targets of investigations unless an indictment is filed, at which point they are delivered to the ‘defendant’ as part of ‘disclosure’.

 

As for Lindsey Graham wading into this claiming information is being withheld - well yes Lindsey, you know how that works don’t you, as you wriggle and squirm to trying to fight a subpoena and avoid giving testimony under oath against Trump in the

Georgia vote rigging investigation of which Trump is the target.

Why do you assume it has to do with national security. Because the media says so? Why does Trump want the affidavits release un-redacted? Maybe because there is another hoax in the works? If Trump had anything to hide he would not want everything out in the open. It is the government that is trying to hide things. 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

George W. Bush took a beating from the press for 8 years? Really? He got a free ride after 9/11. It was only after the lies that led to the iraq war became evident and the failures that followed in that war, and also a politically suicidal attempt to privatize social security, did his stock fall sharply.

The dot-com bubble burst shortly before Bush took office, and there was an 8-month recession from March to November, 2001. Bush took a beating for that, even though he clearly didn't deserve to be blamed for it. Then 9/11 happened and yes, he got a reprieve for a short while. But it was truly only a short while.

 

Not long after 9/11, they started back in with severe criticism of his "tepid recovery" from the recession, much of which, though, was actually a lingering consequence of 9/11 and fear, and had little or nothing to do with his economic policies and efforts!

 

Then, of course, the criticism of his response to 9/11 began to rage in earnest. People complained about what kept getting called "lies," but weren't. And ultimately, far, far, FAR more lies were told ABOUT him, than BY him!

 

So yeah, 8 years of Bush-bashing! Absolutely!

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, habanero said:

Why do you assume it has to do with national security. Because the media says so? Why does Trump want the affidavits release un-redacted? Maybe because there is another hoax in the works? If Trump had anything to hide he would not want everything out in the open. It is the government that is trying to hide things. 

Yes, the DOJ/FBI is trying to hide things. 
 

Details of their ongoing investigation including the names of cooperating witnesses. 
 

Like they hide from all targets of investigation for all crimes they seek search warrants for.

 

Trump knows the court are very highly unlikely to release this information, but to s desperate man it’s worth a try.

 

Trump also knows that the most likely outcome is a the release of heavily redacted documents with details of on going investigation/witnesses blacked out.

 

He’ll then claim ‘look they are hiding stuff from you’.

 

Trump supporters will sing along to his tune, I expect you to be in the choir.

As for your ‘the media’. It’s a page straight from Trump, the idea of the media all being involved in a coordinated conspiracy to misinform anything about Trump.

 

Believing this nonsense is an article of faith among Trump supporters. 
 

I’m not qualified to deal with such levels of obvious active delusion.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

For my latest trick.

 

I'm still looking for a decent attorney however, I only hire the best.......................lol

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1560747569546133504

 

This is his defense.

 

He hasn’t got a legal defense so he invents a 4th Amendment defense, even though he has not been indicted.

 

It’s not of course about a ‘legal defense’ it’s a dog whistle to his supporters, he’s setting up his next violent mob attack(s).

 

They, his supporters, need to pause and observe he’s not in power and he hasn’t got a hand picked AG corrupting Justice for him - take a look how it’s working out for his last mob.

 

Nobody is going to be caught off guard next time.

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5 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

The dot-com bubble burst shortly before Bush took office, and there was an 8-month recession from March to November, 2001. Bush took a beating for that, even though he clearly didn't deserve to be blamed for it. Then 9/11 happened and yes, he got a reprieve for a short while. But it was truly only a short while.

 

Not long after 9/11, they started back in with severe criticism of his "tepid recovery" from the recession, much of which, though, was actually a lingering consequence of 9/11 and fear, and had little or nothing to do with his economic policies and efforts!

 

Then, of course, the criticism of his response to 9/11 began to rage in earnest. People complained about what kept getting called "lies," but weren't. And ultimately, far, far, FAR more lies were told ABOUT him, than BY him!

 

So yeah, 8 years of Bush-bashing! Absolutely!

Every president gets bashed when the economy goes sour. Everyone without exception. Just as Biden is getting bashed now. Whether the criticism is deserved or not. Just as every president gets praise when the economy is doing well such as Bill Clinton or Donald trump. Whether the praise is deserved or not. It turns out the press was so much in the bag for George Bush that they massively misreported the grounds for invading iraq. Including the New York times and the Washington post. The Republicans enjoyed a rare midterm blowout.  And two years after that George Bush was reelected.

Edited August 20, 2022 by placeholder

[LosLobo]

8 hours ago, habanero said:

Why do you assume it has to do with national security. Because the media says so? Why does Trump want the affidavits release un-redacted? Maybe because there is another hoax in the works? If Trump had anything to hide he would not want everything out in the open. It is the government that is trying to hide things. 

You are being deceived!

 

Do you have any evidence that Trump really wants everything out in the open?

 

If so, Trump and his lawyers would have sued in court to have the un-redacted affidavit released. 

 

He really only wants his rhetoric to drive the grift. 

 

Release of the un-redacted affidavit to the public will end that. 

 

He has never ever wanted anything out in the open and released to the public.

 

His affair with Stormy, his private conversations with Putin, his taxes, his deposition last week where he pleaded the Fifth more than 400 times. etc etc

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by LosLobo

[SunnyinBangrak]

The American public views the unprecedented raid on an ex President's house rather differently than most posters here. When a MAJORITY of voters think there is a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo, the country has a huge problem. This coming just when it seemed a government could not possibly get anymore incompetent and untrustworthy.....

 

"Roger Stone, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, has said there is “a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo.” A majority (53%) of voters now agree with Stone’s statement – up from 46% in December – including 34% who Strongly Agree. "

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/biden_s_gestapo_trump_raid_hurts_voter_trust_in_fbi

[placeholder]

28 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The American public views the unprecedented raid on an ex President's house rather differently than most posters here. When a MAJORITY of voters think there is a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo, the country has a huge problem. This coming just when it seemed a government could not possibly get anymore incompetent and untrustworthy.....

 

"Roger Stone, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, has said there is “a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo.” A majority (53%) of voters now agree with Stone’s statement – up from 46% in December – including 34% who Strongly Agree. "

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/biden_s_gestapo_trump_raid_hurts_voter_trust_in_fbi

Majority of Americans support FBI’s raid on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home

A new YouGov poll shows that Americans largely approve of the FBI’s search of former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Florida.

The poll surveyed 1,500 adult citizens of the United States between 13 August and 16 August 2022.

The survey found that 42 per cent of Americans “stongly approve” of the FBI executing a search warrant in relation to its probe of whether Mr Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, while 12 per cent of Americans say that they “somewhat approve” of it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fbi-raid-americans-support-b2147176.html

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The American public views the unprecedented raid on an ex President's house rather differently than most posters here. When a MAJORITY of voters think there is a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo, the country has a huge problem. This coming just when it seemed a government could not possibly get anymore incompetent and untrustworthy.....

 

"Roger Stone, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, has said there is “a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo.” A majority (53%) of voters now agree with Stone’s statement – up from 46% in December – including 34% who Strongly Agree. "

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/biden_s_gestapo_trump_raid_hurts_voter_trust_in_fbi

Although Rassmussen Reports is conservative-biased, I am still surprised that it used Roger Stone, a self-confessed convicted felon as a reliable source.

 

Nevertheless, the number of people who believe Trump's propaganda is disturbing.

 

Another Trump term would more likely see “a group of politicized thugs" as Trump's "personal Gestapo.” 

 

Obviously, Trump, a known Hitler apologist, has been successful in his use of propaganda using Nazi Joseph Goebel's playbook.

 

"Trump telling rally-goers in Sarasota, Florida: "If you say it enough and keep saying it, they'll start to believe you."

 

"Trump's quote was a near replication of this infamous line from Nazi Joseph Goebbels: 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-doesnt-like-being-compared-to-hitler-2022-7

 

"Trump told chief of staff, Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’, book says"

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by LosLobo