Takeaways from the court hearing on releasing more documents from the Mar-a-Lago search

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Just now, AndyFoxy said:

If you can’t see it, then I suggest a trip to get some new glasses.

In other words, you've got nothing.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

More false assertions. Michael Cohen was NOT imprisoned for "exercising his First Amendment rights to author s book"

Back at you with facts:

 

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-frees-michael-cohen-saying-remand-to-prison-was-retaliatory/

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2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

More false assertions. Michael Cohen was NOT imprisoned for "exercising his First Amendment rights to author s book"

Another report from an alternative universe.

Here's what a judge ruled in this one:

• President Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen was released from federal prison in New York on Friday.
• His release came a day after a judge ruled he was improperly returned there in retaliation for failing to agree to a ban on him publishing a book about Trump.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/24/former-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-released-from-prison-again.html

 

I look forward to your response but I suspect you'll evaporate.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

If you can’t see it, then I suggest a trip to get some new glasses.

You claimed a conspiracy, you point it out.

 

Or are you simply trolling?

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Then the fact you approve of the current use of the justice system for political vengeance is suggestive of your own irrationality.

The justice system was based on the law on wrongfully mishandle of classified materials signed by Trump in 2018. He himself approved of the law. The irony is that he passed the law to attack Hillary Clinton for political vengeance. You really got to get the facts right and not be misguided by radical right misinformation. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The justice system was based on the law on wrongfully mishandle of classified materials signed by Trump in 2018. He himself approved of the law. The irony is that he passed the law to attack Hillary Clinton for political vengeance. You really got to get the facts right and not be misguided by radical right misinformation. 

It is a wonderful irony.

[Phoenix Rising]

I see some very eager MAGA cultists trolling this thread, total waste of time engaging with them. Hopefully justice will be done and the orange one will be orange clad for a loooong time.

At that time I will break out the popcorn and watch the trolls explode.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You intentionally miss the key point. Trump is an ex President. They stormed his private residence. This is a new chapter in American politics. The chapter of hatred and revenge and attacking the man they fear more than anything. The ONE thing they needed is to make very sure they had serious criminal acts to be busting, otherwise they pretty much started a civil war by continuing to persecute(with no valid reason other than hate and fear) the leader of the Republican party. Yet many days are passing and it is starting to look very much like they had no real reason to do this house raid.

 

"Former President Donald Trump and his allies are ramping up warnings that Trump might seek payback for the FBI’s search of his Mar-a-Lago club if he recaptures the presidency. 

On Wednesday, Trump posted a link to an article headlined “The Payback for Mar-a-Lago Will Be Brutal” on his Truth Social account."

https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vy7y/trump-revenge-fbi-search-mar-a-lago

 

 The left will only realize the mistake they made once Hillary, Obama, Biden, all democrat disinformation pushers and censors in the media get raided on general search warrants. All panty drawers of all spouses thoroughly searched. Ex Presidents and VIPs charged on nonsensical charges. You guys started this, and you guys are celebrating this. It is a disgrace.

 

Quote "They stormed his private residence." Really?

 

As I understand the term stormed it is similar to this

 

(of troops) suddenly attack and capture (a building or other place) by means of force.
"commandos stormed a hijacked plane early today"
Similar:
attack
charge
rush
conduct an offensive on
make an onslaught on
make a raid/foray/sortie on
descend on
take by storm
attempt to capture

 

Was there any damage to the residence? Smashed doors and windows? Did the FBI use the police heavy door opener and smash their way in?

 

Perhaps they rang the doorbell or knocked politely and showed the warrant.

 

This is a new chapter in American politics. Now this I do believe. AFAIK none of the other 44 presidents, screamed and shouted, took any documents with them when they left, and completed a proper Presidential handover of power.

 

Not so with Trump. He is the sole exception, so yes, this is a new chapter in American politics, started and wholly owned by Trump who completely failed to understand that he lost the election by the popular vote AND the electoral college vote.

 

As for the rest of your post, I can see and understand why you are a Trump supporter. 

[AndyFoxy]

30 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The justice system was based on the law on wrongfully mishandle of classified materials signed by Trump in 2018. He himself approved of the law. The irony is that he passed the law to attack Hillary Clinton for political vengeance. You really got to get the facts right and not be misguided by radical right misinformation. 

Stay away from CNN and you’ll be fine.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

My quote from Comey about how sane prosecutors would treat her hammering to destroy evidence was removed. It is very relevant because a)she was not President and b)she actively physically tried to destroy evidence.  So difficult to no charge Trump for a lesser "crime" on every level.

 

 

Where is your proof?

[AndyFoxy]

2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I see some very eager MAGA cultists trolling this thread, total waste of time engaging with them. Hopefully justice will be done and the orange one will be orange clad for a loooong time.

At that time I will break out the popcorn and watch the trolls explode.

I see some very eager Anti Trump cultists trolling this thread, total waste of time engaging with them. Hopefully justice will be done and the orange one will be exonerated.

At that time I will break out the popcorn and watch the trolls explode.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Stay away from CNN and you’ll be fine.

I listen to all sides even Fox and Newsmax and right wing podcasts to form my opinion. You should try that and might help you to think rationally and objectively. Might cure your obsession for crime laden Trump. 

[JonnyF]

57 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You offered as evidence of the political motivation behind the case  that no indictments of Trump had been yet forthcoming after the raid. Such a rapid issuance of indictments is virtually impossible under the US legal system. So yes, you have offered evidence that is contrary to fact.

And it takes a certain degree of cluelessness or worse to believe that one's self-evaluation of one's stance as being neutral somehow qualifies as proof of it.

 

Don't get too excited. You appear to have missed that it was a rhetorical question ????. Nobody is expecting Trump to be indicted so soon after the raid, but the fact that no evidence has been produced/leaked/discussed to justify the raid or to suggest that indictment is likely tells you a lot.

 

The silence is deafening. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Don't get too excited. You appear to have missed that it was a rhetorical question ????. Nobody is expecting Trump to be indicted so soon after the raid, but the fact that no evidence has been produced/leaked/discussed to justify the raid or to suggest that indictment is likely tells you a lot.

 

The silence is deafening. 

Evidence was placed before a Federal judge, who reviewed it and issued a search warrant.

 

The warrant has been published.

 

Trump and his defense team will be issued with all supporting evidence to the warrant application, if and when an indictment is handed down by a Grand Jury.

 

That’s how it always works.

No inference can be drawn other than the DOJ/ FBI are following long established practice.

 

 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, AndyFoxy said:

 

I see some very eager Anti Trump cultists trolling this thread, total waste of time engaging with them. Hopefully justice will be done and the orange one will be exonerated.

At that time I will break out the popcorn and watch the trolls explode.

I am not anti Trump but pro law and order and no one is above the law even the orange one. I am also hopeful justice will be done and his followers will accept the verdict without resorting to violence. 

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3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Don't get too excited. You appear to have missed that it was a rhetorical question ????. Nobody is expecting Trump to be indicted so soon after the raid, but the fact that no evidence has been produced/leaked/discussed to justify the raid or to suggest that indictment is likely tells you a lot.

 

The silence is deafening. 

A rhetorical question is a question that you use when you believe an answer is obvious. They are used to reinforce an argument. So on the one hand, you were casting doubt on the grounds and motives of the investigation. But on the the other you were making the point that there hasn't been enough time for an indictment?. It's obvious that thanks to your blatantly evident biases, you made a false assumption and are now trying to wriggle out of facing the consequences.. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Same reason Biden had Trump raided. To discredit him politically.

1. Biden did not have Trump raided.

2. We all know Trump was ready to use anything to discredit Biden. It included calling foreign countries for help on this matter and use Giuliani to diffuse Russian made fake narratives. Would have Trump hesitated to send his sycophant Barr if there was any valid reason? Could it be that there was no legal matter to investigate Biden? There has even been a GOP Senate committee which investigated the Biden's and found nothing!

[candide]

50 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I listen to all sides even Fox and Newsmax and right wing podcasts to form my opinion. You should try that and might help you to think rationally and objectively. Might cure your obsession for crime laden Trump. 

Actually, the pure news programs on Fox News are not that bad. I watched yesterday their analysis of the MAL investigation and it was quite interesting. A bit biased, of course, but very far from the Tucker et al. B.S.

[AndyFoxy]

57 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I listen to all sides even Fox and Newsmax and right wing podcasts to form my opinion. You should try that and might help you to think rationally and objectively. Might cure your obsession for crime laden Trump. 

You don’t know what my news sources are. So no need to form an opinion of what they might or might not be. Try to act rationally if at all possible.

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

You don’t know what my news sources are. So no need to form an opinion of what they might or might not be. Try to act rationally if at all possible.

Don't really need to what your news sources are, because it's abundantly clear by your posts that you are an avid trump supporter, a cult following, right winger no less, and someone who believes that this large orange excuse for a human being, can do no wrong.

 

Well, classified material has already been found at MAL, material that should never have been taken from the White House, so not only is he guilty of lying (no, surely not, perish the thought) at this moment in time, I'm pretty sure there are more charges to come, so don't break out the popcorn just yet because you might choke on it.

[AndyFoxy]

9 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Don't really need to what your news sources are, because it's abundantly clear by your posts that you are an avid trump supporter, a cult following, right winger no less, and someone who believes that this large orange excuse for a human being, can do no wrong.

 

 

Interesting opinion, but you know what they say about opinions. 

[xylophone]

28 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Interesting opinion, but you know what they say about opinions. 

But close enough to the truth for you to respond. Nail, head, and all that!!!!

 

Anyway the findings from this and other investigations will ensure that this orange clown achieves his rightful place in the history of the USA, hopefully jail...........always to be branded as a loser, and "bigly" so (to coin a phrase).

[Chomper Higgot]

38 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Interesting opinion, but you know what they say about opinions. 

Yes, some are substantiated and backed by evidence, some are not.

[Chomper Higgot]

There’s one thing very much dangerous than holding a former a president accountable to the law.

 

Not holding a former President accountable to the law.

[Rimmer]

Two troll posts have been removed

[Phoenix Rising]

When defending the indefensible one has to get "creative"!????

 

http://Trump Attorney’s New Claim About Mar-A-Lago Causes Jaws To Drop On Twitter

 

Rudy Giuliani Cooks Up Bonkers New Excuse For Trump's Hoard Of Sensitive Docs

 

I have learned a lot since trump stepped onto the world stage with a [insert farting sound] and some of it could be used to coin a new saying:

 

The smellier the turd, the crazier the fly.

[Phoenix Rising]

No surprise here even if it comes from a bledin' heart lib...

 

John Bolton Says There's ‘No Evidence’ FBI Search Of Mar-A-Lago Was Partisan Overreach

 

"Former White House national security adviser John Bolton said Wednesday there was “no evidence” the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate was a partisan overreach, breaking with many GOP lawmakers that have rushed to condemn the event as a political attack.

“There is no evidence there is a partisan motive here,” Bolton told Reuters. “I think everybody just ought to calm down, whether you’re pro-Trump or anti-Trump, and let the process work its way through.”"

[billd766]

5 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Interesting opinion, but you know what they say about opinions. 

Even yours.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, candide said:

1. Biden did not have Trump raided.

2. We all know Trump was ready to use anything to discredit Biden. It included calling foreign countries for help on this matter and use Giuliani to diffuse Russian made fake narratives. Would have Trump hesitated to send his sycophant Barr if there was any valid reason? Could it be that there was no legal matter to investigate Biden? There has even been a GOP Senate committee which investigated the Biden's and found nothing!

We all know.....zip

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

No surprise here even if it comes from a bledin' heart lib...

 

John Bolton Says There's ‘No Evidence’ FBI Search Of Mar-A-Lago Was Partisan Overreach

 

"Former White House national security adviser John Bolton said Wednesday there was “no evidence” the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate was a partisan overreach, breaking with many GOP lawmakers that have rushed to condemn the event as a political attack.

“There is no evidence there is a partisan motive here,” Bolton told Reuters. “I think everybody just ought to calm down, whether you’re pro-Trump or anti-Trump, and let the process work its way through.”"

Not surprising given Bolton's rapid exit as NSA in 2019 but the advice at the end is good.