'The future is here.' Migrants step off buses from Texas into New York homeless shelters By Ray Sanchez, CNN

[LarrySR]

I think most people would much rather have a Mexican immigrant family live next door than some MAGA type.

[Hanaguma]

15 minutes ago, Scott said:

Not exactly.  There is a difference between the number of people and the number of encounters.  1.6 million encounters does not equate to 1.6 million people.   For the past 35 years, the number of people crossing has been around 1 million a year.  That said, regardless of how you cut it, it is a huge number of people.  

 

Mexico agrees to allow only migrants from 4 countries to be returned to Mexico.  All other nationalities have to go through normal deportation.  Family groups are a particularly tricky issue.  The Mexican state of Tamaulipas (which borders south Texas), would not accept the expulsions under Title 42 of Mexican, Guatemalan, Honduran, or Salvadoran parents with children under the age of 7.  Mexican immigration officials in Chihuahua (bordering El Paso) permitted CBP to expel families under Title 42, regardless of the age of their children.

 

The demographics at the border has changed.  Years ago, it was single, adult Mexican males crossing.  Deporting them was easier and quicker with most being willing to self-deport in exchange for not going to jail.   Now we have families for Central and South America and deporting them is not easy.  

 

There are a number of sources of good information on the situation, here's one:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021

 

It has gotten tougher for sure. Yet still the majority are single men- something like 75% of the total.  What has changed is the country of origin.  More from central America, Brazil and South America, Cuba, etc. Mexico is still the most common, but only about 37% of the total.

 

Mexico certainly was accepting of the other 63% when they were travelling through Mexico to get to the US so it is pretty rich for them to refuse to accept them on the way back.  That is why the only safe strategy is to have detainment centres for all, until their cases can be adjudicated. There is no reason to reward illegal behavior by allowing the potential immgrants access to the rest of the country. 

[LarrySR]

Texas is a sinking ship because it IS a <deleted>h0le state. I've been there. Wouldn't take a nice big house for free. If you are well traveled you will understand why Texas is feces. 

The infrastructure is terrible. The weather, The food. The attitude.

Homophobia, racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and religious bigotry are alive and well down there. Not to mention the women's rights thing. Lots of churches and shooting ranges though.

Texas state “leaders” are theocratic overlords who have quashed every attempt by local government to improve the lives of it's residents.

They are poorly educated who are proud of their willful ignorance, mock science and education. A majority I've encountered can't even do basic subtraction.

75% of the intelligent folks ones encounters are transplants.

 

Texas can’t educate their kids for 21st-century jobs because the "Talibanesque" Christian fanatic Educational Boards refuses to them teach real science and history.

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by LarrySR

[Hanaguma]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So were the tons of drugs being brought into the US by immigrants looking for asylum/work or were they transported by drug mules?

 

Me thinks you are conflating drug smuggling with immigrants.

 

Just as you are implying immigrants are a crime threat because 60 out of 1,600,000 are murderers and 500 out of 1,600,000 are rapists.

 

Oh I get it.

 

Gross negative generalizations of a whole mass of people based on the actions of a tiny minority.

 

Right up your street.

A bit of both really. For many people, the price of their passage to the US is to smuggle in the drugs. In other cases, the two cargos are mixed and sent across the border.  

 

The crime numbers are just the ones apprehended by the CBP. Doesnt include other law enforcement agencies.  If you want a snapshot of one state, here is Texas...

 

"The latest report from the state of Texas alone, for example, reports that between June 1, 2011, and Nov. 30, 2021, 356,000 criminal aliens were booked into Texas jails, of which over 243,000 were identified as being in the country illegally. Those illegal aliens were charged with more than 401,000 criminal offenses, including 742 murders, 47,737 assaults, 7,524 burglaries, over 11,000 sexual assaults and other sex crimes, and numerous kidnappings, thefts, robberies, and drug and weapons charges."

 

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/federal-report-shows-open-borders-bring-increased-crimes-and-costs-taxpayers

 

And before you complain that the website is biased, the numbers come from the Texas Dept of Justice.

[candide]

37 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

A bit of both really. For many people, the price of their passage to the US is to smuggle in the drugs. In other cases, the two cargos are mixed and sent across the border.  

 

The crime numbers are just the ones apprehended by the CBP. Doesnt include other law enforcement agencies.  If you want a snapshot of one state, here is Texas...

 

"The latest report from the state of Texas alone, for example, reports that between June 1, 2011, and Nov. 30, 2021, 356,000 criminal aliens were booked into Texas jails, of which over 243,000 were identified as being in the country illegally. Those illegal aliens were charged with more than 401,000 criminal offenses, including 742 murders, 47,737 assaults, 7,524 burglaries, over 11,000 sexual assaults and other sex crimes, and numerous kidnappings, thefts, robberies, and drug and weapons charges."

 

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/federal-report-shows-open-borders-bring-increased-crimes-and-costs-taxpayers

 

And before you complain that the website is biased, the numbers come from the Texas Dept of Justice.

Texas, you said Texas?

Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas

"We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a peer reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS)

 

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36 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

A bit of both really. For many people, the price of their passage to the US is to smuggle in the drugs. In other cases, the two cargos are mixed and sent across the border.  

 

The crime numbers are just the ones apprehended by the CBP. Doesnt include other law enforcement agencies.  If you want a snapshot of one state, here is Texas...

 

"The latest report from the state of Texas alone, for example, reports that between June 1, 2011, and Nov. 30, 2021, 356,000 criminal aliens were booked into Texas jails, of which over 243,000 were identified as being in the country illegally. Those illegal aliens were charged with more than 401,000 criminal offenses, including 742 murders, 47,737 assaults, 7,524 burglaries, over 11,000 sexual assaults and other sex crimes, and numerous kidnappings, thefts, robberies, and drug and weapons charges."

 

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/federal-report-shows-open-borders-bring-increased-crimes-and-costs-taxpayers

 

And before you complain that the website is biased, the numbers come from the Texas Dept of Justice.

That's a B.S. statistic.

Right away, one should be suspicious of an article that doesn't actually link to the federal report it claims to be based on For example, what percentage of these undocumented immigrants were incarcerated for immigration violations? 

Here's some data from what I believe is the report that Spakowsky bases his claims on. As you will see, there is a huge contrast between what undocumented aliens are charged with and what US citizens are charged with.

 

 "Across 20 years, 95% of the increase in federal arrests was due to immigration crimes. From 1998 to 2018, federal immigration arrests increased 5-fold (from 20,942 to 108,667), rising more than 50,000 in one year from 2017 to 2018...

The five crime types for which non-U.S. citizens were most likely to be prosecuted in U.S. district court were illegal reentry (72% of prosecutions), drugs (13%), fraud (4.5%), alien smuggling (4%), and misuse of visas (2%). The five crime types for which U.S. citizens were most likely to be prosecuted in U.S. district court were drugs (38% of prosecutions), weapons (21%), fraud (12%), public order (12%), and alien smuggling (6%)."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdwv/pr/statement-united-states-attorney-mike-stuart-bureau-justice-statistics-report-1

 

And here's a selection from a massively documented report on crime in Texas:

 "We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

 

 

 

 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Some of these good liberals up in Martha's have huge estates. I can think of one that has a 30 acre waterfront property. Can you even imagine how many migrants could be settled in tents and camped there, I'm thinking ten thousand souls plus. And I'm certain the owner and his neighbors would be proud to help the desperate people that get bussed or flown up to Martha's. 

 All in a good plan, well thought out. Good luck to the residents and migrants this will be interesting.

How sad. Imagine putting immigrants into tents.

 

Just the sort of answer I would expect from a NIMBY.

 

A cop out answer.

 

Where is the water and sewage going to be laid, where will the migrants eat, who will be feeding them, clearing all the trash on a daily basis? Where will the power come from?

 

What if the local authorities refuse permission. What if the owner refuses permission?

[Hanaguma]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's a B.S. statistic.

Right away, one should be suspicious of an article that doesn't actually link to the federal report it claims to be based on For example, what percentage of these undocumented immigrants were incarcerated for immigration violations? 

Here's some data from what I believe is the report that Spakowsky bases his claims on. As you will see, there is a huge contrast between what undocumented aliens are charged with and what US citizens are charged with.

 

 "Across 20 years, 95% of the increase in federal arrests was due to immigration crimes. From 1998 to 2018, federal immigration arrests increased 5-fold (from 20,942 to 108,667), rising more than 50,000 in one year from 2017 to 2018...

The five crime types for which non-U.S. citizens were most likely to be prosecuted in U.S. district court were illegal reentry (72% of prosecutions), drugs (13%), fraud (4.5%), alien smuggling (4%), and misuse of visas (2%). The five crime types for which U.S. citizens were most likely to be prosecuted in U.S. district court were drugs (38% of prosecutions), weapons (21%), fraud (12%), public order (12%), and alien smuggling (6%)."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdwv/pr/statement-united-states-attorney-mike-stuart-bureau-justice-statistics-report-1

 

And here's a selection from a massively documented report on crime in Texas:

 "We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

 

 

 

 

I am sure the families of the 700 plus murder victims and 11,000 rape victims will be comforted in that knowledge.  The simple fact is that those crimes would not have occurred at all without the presence of the "undocumented".  They should not have been in the country in the first place.

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Just now, Hanaguma said:

I am sure the families of the 700 plus murder victims and 11,000 rape victims will be comforted in that knowledge.  The simple fact is that those crimes would not have occurred at all without the presence of the "undocumented".  They should not have been in the country in the first place.

Nice way to deflect from the poor quality of the information you offered.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

A bit of both really. For many people, the price of their passage to the US is to smuggle in the drugs. In other cases, the two cargos are mixed and sent across the border.  

And as usual....

 

That's how illegal drugs cross the border:

"So the drugs that are actually taking the lives of people here in the United States - methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl- almost universally come through the ports of entry along the southern border - so that is people that carry them on their bodies or even in their bodies or cars or vehicles. And then the second w

And then the second way is through the international postal mail service."

 

"People don't backpack or try to sneak those drugs across the border between the ports of entry because, one, they could be caught by the Border Patrol. Number two, they don't really trust those people to do that. So it's much better for them to have somebody that is taking the drugs through a port of entry where they're met on the other side of the port here in the United States, and those drugs are immediately taken"

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/06/710712195/how-do-illegal-drugs-cross-the-u-s-mexico-border

Edited September 16, 2022 by candide

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16 minutes ago, candide said:

And as usual....

 

That's how illegal drugs cross the border:

"So the drugs that are actually taking the lives of people here in the United States - methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl- almost universally come through the ports of entry along the southern border - so that is people that carry them on their bodies or even in their bodies or cars or vehicles. And then the second w

And then the second way is through the international postal mail service."

 

"People don't backpack or try to sneak those drugs across the border between the ports of entry because, one, they could be caught by the Border Patrol. Number two, they don't really trust those people to do that. So it's much better for them to have somebody that is taking the drugs through a port of entry where they're met on the other side of the port here in the United States, and those drugs are immediately taken"

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/06/710712195/how-do-illegal-drugs-cross-the-u-s-mexico-border

Northern Mexico manufacturing is very much integrated into the US economy thanks to NAFTA and whatever the unmemorable name is of its successor program. There really is no way to stop drugs from getting through. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some small time entrepreneurs looking to make it big via personal deliveries. But it's just too easy to ship it via legitimately manufactured goods.

[MrJ2U]

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I guess you havent read the stats for internal migration in the US.  Florida and Texas are the two most popular states for people to migrate TO.  Strangely, the places that are being abandoned are.... California and New York. Wonder why.

Baloney.

 

It's on the border.  They have to enter that dump to get to the prosperous parts of the US and Canada.

 

They are not looking for deep fryer jobs at some slovenly Texas BBQ joint.

 

Check your Geography genius. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by MrJ2U

[BangkokReady]

On 9/10/2022 at 7:26 AM, EVENKEEL said:

When will our president address the fiasco at our southern border. C'mon man.

How can he?  They made Trump the bad guy as he continued Obama era policies which he then changed immediately due to public backlash.  Now they, the good guys, are letting the immigrants in and helping them set up a home.  "Because that's what heroes do!"  They can hardly go back on their campaign pledge of "Awful, but not quite as bad as Trump!".

 

Progressivism can be so funny to watch sometimes.

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Texas Dept of Justice

The ones leading the way to overturn to the last election?

 

Great reference. 

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5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I am sure the families of the 700 plus murder victims and 11,000 rape victims will be comforted in that knowledge.  The simple fact is that those crimes would not have occurred at all without the presence of the "undocumented".  They should not have been in the country in the first place.

According to your way of thinking, no one should be admitted to the United States since all groups whether legally present or not will bring with them some crime. In fact, according to that PNAS study, undocumented aliens have a lower crime rate than US citizens by birth or naturalized citizens. And of course, they're here because businesses want them here. Especially Texas:

 

Texas A&M’s future builders hear uncomfortable truths of immigrant-dependent industry

Additionally, FWD.us estimates that more than 1.1 million workers in Texas are undocumented immigrants, representing nearly 8% of the total workforce, the highest level of any U.S. state. With such a large share of Texas’ workforce, undocumented workers have become critical to the labor infrastructure of the state, especially during times of crisis such as the COVID-19 recovery or natural disasters like hurricanes and sudden freezes. Undocumented immigrants are particularly concentrated in agricultural occupations (33% of the total agricultural workforce), construction jobs (27%), and among building grounds and maintenance workers (24%).

https://www.fwd.us/news/texas-immigrants/

 

[Longwood50]

On 9/14/2022 at 5:42 PM, candide said:

Make decisions without analysing consequences and without anticipating how to effectively apply them....

That's what morons like Trump usually do.

Another proof of his level of incompetence.

So your answer was to adopt the Obama policy of only prosecuting 20% of those here illegally.  Not building enough facilities to house them so letting 80% of them just go free under the "catch and release program"  

Now you call Trump incompetent, he did not have the luxury of 8 years like Obama to build facilities.  What you are suggesting is that Trump should delay any enforcement until adequate facilities are built.  Now that is just plain stupid.  

Here is what transpired after Trumps policy of 100% prosecution was stopped. 

 

You decry Trumps prosecution which resulted in families being separated.  Guess what, if a person is charged with theft, drunk driving, breaking and entering, assault and a myriad of other CRIMES they are incarcerated and SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.  The only difference is that these people knowingly came to the USA illegally which IS A CRIME and expected that they would just be set free.  

The 100% enforcement of the illegal immigration was a deterrent to prevent even more from coming.  That is what Trump campaigned and said he would do and frankly it is what the majority of the American Public wants.  Immigration yes, invasion NO. 

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7 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

So your answer was to adopt the Obama policy of only prosecuting 20% of those here illegally.  Not building enough facilities to house them so letting 80% of them just go free under the "catch and release program"  

Now you call Trump incompetent, he did not have the luxury of 8 years like Obama to build facilities.  What you are suggesting is that Trump should delay any enforcement until adequate facilities are built.  Now that is just plain stupid.  

Here is what transpired after Trumps policy of 100% prosecution was stopped. 

 

You decry Trumps prosecution which resulted in families being separated.  Guess what, if a person is charged with theft, drunk driving, breaking and entering, assault and a myriad of other CRIMES they are incarcerated and SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.  The only difference is that these people knowingly came to the USA illegally which IS A CRIME and expected that they would just be set free.  

The 100% enforcement of the illegal immigration was a deterrent to prevent even more from coming.  That is what Trump campaigned and said he would do and frankly it is what the majority of the American Public wants.  Immigration yes, invasion NO. 

These people were guilty of a misdemeanor. The govt separated small children and infants from their parents. And the Trump administration actually lost track of lots of them. What's more this wasn't a bug. This was a feature. And if it was such a worthy program and what the majority of America wants, why did Trump back down?

[Scott]

32 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

 

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 Guess what, if a person is charged with theft, drunk driving, breaking and entering, assault and a myriad of other CRIMES they are incarcerated and SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.  The only difference is that these people knowingly came to the USA illegally which IS A CRIME and expected that they would just be set free.  

 

 Wrong.  In the US, children are not incarcerated for deed committed by the parents. 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic, bickering posts and those violating Fair Use Policy have been removed along with replies.

[candide]

On 9/15/2022 at 11:33 PM, candide said:

Texas, you said Texas?

Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas

"We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a peer reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS)

 

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Alleged criminality is a lame argument. As shown in my post (and posts from others too), the violent crime rate for immigrants (legal or not), is lower than for people born in the U.S. Immigrants are actually increasing the share of good people in the population.

 

As about your last comparison, you are confusing between settlers and immigrants. It's the settlers who took the land, oppressed and slaughtered the original American native population, starting with the pilgrim fathers.

 

The current immigrants don't want to steal the land from the current inhabitants, don't want to impose their own rule and government, etc...

Edited September 19, 2022 by Scott

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 If you get stopped in a car with children because you are drunk, then you obviously are in no state to have a child in your custody and in fact pose a threat to them. Most likely, if a parent is incarcerated for being drunk, someone else from the community be it a spouse or relative, someone these children know, will take them into their custody. At worst. social services will take custody. But While a drunk driver poses a deadly threat to others, what these migrants were detained for was a misdemeanor. They weren't in an intoxicated state. How morally deranged does someone have to be not to recognize how brutal such a separation is. These infants and small children certainly did not need protection from their parents. They needed their parents. What kind of  human being does one have to be not to recognize the awful damage that was inflicted on these children? And to blame the parents instead of the creatures responsible for the separation. The Obama administration had special facilities for parents with children Not so the Trump administration The Trump administration separated some of these children for years. Years! . Many were sent to other states. In fact, some never were reunited with their parents. What's more, this wasn't inadvertent. These separations weren't a bug: they were a feature inflicted on purpose.

The secret history of the U.S.
government’s family-separation policy
"We need to take away children.”

Separating children was not just a side effect, but the intent. Instead of working to reunify families after parents were prosecuted, officials worked to keep them apart for longer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/09/trump-administration-family-separation-policy-immigration/670604/

 

And what you failed again to acknowledge, is that when just some of the awfulness of this program was revealed. the Trump administration backed off in face of overwhelming revulsion from the American public. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Scott

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1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

There also is this false narrative that the only way to help is to let these people in.  First off not all of these people are the nice law abiding families the media likes to portray.  They include hardened criminals, gang members, and drug dealers.  Each year ovr 100,000 US citizens lose their lives to drug overdose with Fetanyl being the leading killer and its source comes from the string of people linked from Mexico to sources in the USA.  

Not all the people of any immigrant group are all nice law abiding familes. But as I cited in an earlier reply to you, these migrants have a lower felony rate than do legal immigrants and U.S.. born citizens.

And it's also been pointed out to you earlier,, apparently to no avail, that most drugs come into the US hidden in legitimate shipments of goods from northern Mexico which is highly integrated into the American economy. Even if all undocumented aliens were prevented from entering the US, those drugs would still be coming in.

[EVENKEEL]

If these migrants are so welcome how come the ones sent to MV were gone in less than 48 hrs. 

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Just now, EVENKEEL said:

If these migrants are so welcome how come the ones sent to MV were gone in less than 48 hrs. 

Why would you think that they would want to stay on a small island in the Atlantic? The government offered them free accommodation on the mainland. From there they can go to communities that host their relatives or others from their various countries.

[candide]

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not all the people of any immigrant group are all nice law abiding familes. But as I cited in an earlier reply to you, these migrants have a lower felony rate than do legal immigrants and U.S.. born citizens.

And it's also been pointed out to you earlier,, apparently to no avail, that most drugs come into the US hidden in legitimate shipments of goods from northern Mexico which is highly integrated into the American economy. Even if all undocumented aliens were prevented from entering the US, those drugs would still be coming in.

Those were replies to Hanaguma's posts, not his. Anyway, they must both use the same source. ????

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3 minutes ago, candide said:

Those were replies to Hanaguma's posts, not his. Anyway, they must both use the same source. ????

It's almost inevitable that those of a certain political persuasion will resort to the FAIR which consistently uses misleading statistics and sometime outright lies.

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2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

I did not say they are incarcerated.  I said they were separated.  You are in a car with your children and get stopped for drunk driving.  You are going to jail and the children are "separated"  That is exactly what Trump was doing.  Once the parents were charged with the CRIME of illegal entry the parents were incarcerated and the children put into the protective custody.  

The only thing different between Trump and Obama is that Obama prosecuted only 20% of those entering the country illegally and Trump 100%.  Now legal is legal.  If the parents did not BREAK THE LAW they would not have faced charges and they would not have been separated from their children.  No different than if the driver did not drink, he would not be separated from his children.  

There seems to be this impression that the USA is dealing with only a smattering of illegals.  So far over 5 MILLION illegals have come in under Biden.  That is a number greater than 25 of the 50 states and is a number equal to the entire population of the countries of Ireland, Norway or New Zealand. 

The USA has approximate 5% of the worlds population but is home to 20% of the annual flow of illegals.  The USA now has over 40 million immigrants that is more people than the entire country of Canada.

 

There also is this false narrative that the only way to help is to let these people in.  First off not all of these people are the nice law abiding families the media likes to portray.  They include hardened criminals, gang members, and drug dealers.  Each year ovr 100,000 US citizens lose their lives to drug overdose with Fetanyl being the leading killer and its source comes from the string of people linked from Mexico to sources in the USA.  

While it may sound compassionate, the "helping" of one group is imposing the burden on the others in the USA.  Finally if you want to know the long term impact of unrestricted migration to the USA.  Let me tell you there once was a region of the world that had vast open lands and few people.  There was no public education system, no food stamp program, no hospitals to provide emergency medical care, no police departments, no fire departments or any other social service.  The people were hard working, expected nothing other than a chance for a better life for their families.  Now if you like to know how that worked out for the existing population of that region, the following is a map of the reservations in the USA.  Go to one and ask an Indian how unrestricted migrant flow worked out for them. 
 

Looks like I confused you with Hanaguma. I guess it's because you both get info from the same poisoned well.

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

If these migrants are so welcome how come the ones sent to MV were gone in less than 48 hrs. 

Have you been to Martha's  Vineyard?

[EVENKEEL]

49 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why would you think that they would want to stay on a small island in the Atlantic? The government offered them free accommodation on the mainland. From there they can go to communities that host their relatives or others from their various countries.

The excuse was the Is didn't have services for 50 people while our border towns are expected to deal with 100's of 1000's of illegals    migrants. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. 

[EVENKEEL]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Have you been to Martha's  Vineyard?

Not really on my top 10.