Ukrainska Pravda

Fri, September 9, 2022 at 11:30 AM

 

 

ALONA MAZURENKO – FRIDAY, 9 SEPTEMBER 2022, 18:30

 

Ukrainian Intelligence reports that due to successful counteroffensive of Ukrainian forces on several fronts, Russian occupiers are looking for a way to escape, calling their wives and asking the Russian Ministry of Defence to get them out of Ukraine.

Source: Ukrainian Chief Intelligence Directorate

 

Quote: "The 237th Guards Airborne Assault Regiment of the Russian Federation no longer exists due to either death or injury of all soldiers. A large part of those who survived are in extremely serious condition."

 

Details: It is noted that the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian troops forces the occupiers to ask the Red Cross for help and flee on stolen bicycles.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-237th-guards-airborne-assault-153000384.html

 

 

59 minutes ago, Jerno said:

No. It's not the ordinary Russian people. It's war-monger Putin.  His soldiers are just following his Orders and don't have a choice. Putin is 100% to blame.

Yes, Putin is to blame. But the individuals and their commanders should be held responsible for the war crimes committed.

Great news.

 

Hopefully the Ukrainian soldiers decimate this scourge! 

1 hour ago, candide said:

I guess most of these soldiers did not ask to be there.

Well, they went. 

I have the notion that these Soviet-era munitions Putin is buying from N. Korea could turn out to be one of the worst ideas Vlad has had in his life.  Poor workmanship?  Manufactured 40 years ago sitting in storage?

 

 

A regiment is brigade size. For the regiment to just disintegrate is a shocking military set back. That will mean thousands of Russia soldiers just too frightened and refused to fight and probably deserted. Contrasting morale with the Ukraine resolved to fight and Russia force to fight. Kind of like Vietnam. 

Just remember, Putin ain’t shootin!

it’s the ordinary citizens that are committing rape murder genocide, and the majority of Russian people are for the war, 

innocent Ukrainian people have suffered, no reason why EVERY Russian citizen shouldn’t suffer the same fate!

Off-topic, troll posts removed.  Please stay on topic.

 

9 hours ago, Northstar1 said:

Do you want to hear my true feelings?

Not particularly, no.

On 9/11/2022 at 3:53 AM, Northstar1 said:

I wish nothing but horrendous suffering to every Russian man woman and child 

I've heard some crackpot Russian propagandists and even officials spouting genocidal rhetoric but never as extreme as your post. No need for that. Those who are responsible for war crimes need to be held accountable whoever they may be, doubt there's too many women and children in that category though.

Edited September 12, 20223 yr by Bkk Brian

..I'm sure there is a 238th.

On 9/11/2022 at 11:11 AM, Jerno said:

No. It's not the ordinary Russian people. It's war-monger Putin.  His soldiers are just following his Orders and don't have a choice. Putin is 100% to blame.

As far as I was aware, a great many people in Russia still support Putin, sure, it can be down to propaganda as many Germans supported Hitler at one stage. But people need to take responsibility for who they decide to support....

Off-topic post removed. 

 

Please stay on topic.  The topic isn't about Afghanistan, Iraq or Vietnam.  

Sending captured troops back to Russia to tell their friends and family what is really happening may help to counter propaganda.

From the Adviser to the Head of the Office of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy

 

Reminding to all "insiders" once again. Only Ukraine determines the negotiating agenda. It is known:

1. Liberation of all territories

2. Reparations payments by Russia

3. Punishment of war criminals

Our partners fully support this format. There are no other arrangements or pressure.

 

Deliberate strikes on critical civilian infrastructure (in particular, on the largest Kharkiv CHPP-5) — a manifestation of RF's terrorism and desire to massively leave civilians without electricity and heat. A coward "response" for the escape of its own army from the battlefield.

Edited September 12, 20223 yr by Bkk Brian

On 9/11/2022 at 5:28 AM, candide said:

I guess most of these soldiers did not ask to be there.

NONSENSE, they could easily avoid it. especially those guys, they perfectly knew where they go

1 hour ago, milesinnz said:

As far as I was aware, a great many people in Russia still support Putin, sure, it can be down to propaganda as many Germans supported Hitler at one stage. But people need to take responsibility for who they decide to support....

To be precisely about 80% support the war and putin and murder of the ukrainians

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I've heard some crackpot Russian propagandists and even officials spouting genocidal rhetoric but never as extreme as your post. No need for that. Those who are responsible for war crimes need to be held accountable whoever they may be, doubt there's too many women and children in that category though.

Failing invasion and subjugation of Russia by Ukraine/Western Nations (a fantasy) or ousting of Putin in favor of Russian leadership willing to accept internal arrest and prosecution of Russians for War crimes, the only Russians held accountable for war crimes will be those who are captured by Ukraine and/or its allies and prosecuted by an independent and sovereign Ukraine. 

Ironically, the threat of war crimes by Russia may motivate Putin in part to continue his Special Operations in Ukraine. Putin has said that because Russia has not declared War against Ukraine, there can be no War Crimes.

5 minutes ago, anandra said:

To be precisely about 80% support the war and putin and murder of the ukrainians

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

Hey, Russia has invaded Ukraine, killed innocents and trashed the country...........End of story, no excuses...and no The Guardian, please......????

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

This is zero to do with the left.

On 9/11/2022 at 3:37 AM, Scott said:

Details: It is noted that the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian troops forces the occupiers to ask the Red Cross for help and flee on stolen bicycles.

As a Dutch person this sounds very familiar. Exactly how the Nazi’s fled The Netherlands on stolen bicycles at the end of WW2.

13 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

100% wrong with invading a sovereign countries , killing thousands of civilians, massive destruction of civilian infrastructure including hospitals and schools. Russia has invaded and annexed Chechen, Georgia and possibly Ukraine if not for the Nato strong response. What's wrong with you? 

22 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story

Yes there are.

 

That doesn't automatically mean that both sides have merit.

Is this true ? this seems like the Afghanistanian armed forces when the Taliban rolled in levels of really not wanting to be there.  I guess the difference here is as Zelensky says, if Russia stops fighting, the War stops, if Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ceases to exist..  I guess the Russian boys don't really want to be there and would rather be at home ogling stunning Russian girls and drinking Vodka.

 

On a side note, we've had a Ukranian refugee (escaped Kyiv) staying with us here in our condo in Australia for 2 months, its been ... interesting ... hearing her take on this. She just keeps telling me "don't believe any of it, from her side or from Russia", but she did say where Russia was once seen as a big brother, now... everyone is turning their backs on them. Is difficult to talk about it, not just the language barrier but do I want to remind her of why she fled  by talking about it ? I steered clear mostly.

 

It will be nice if the world just went back to hating on the US for it's imperialism and invasions, not sure we can handle another cold war (Russia, China, NK, India, SE Asia aligning  ?).  50 years ago the US installed Pinochet.

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Failing invasion and subjugation of Russia by Ukraine/Western Nations (a fantasy) or ousting of Putin in favor of Russian leadership willing to accept internal arrest and prosecution of Russians for War crimes, the only Russians held accountable for war crimes will be those who are captured by Ukraine and/or its allies and prosecuted by an independent and sovereign Ukraine. 

Ironically, the threat of war crimes by Russia may motivate Putin in part to continue his Special Operations in Ukraine. Putin has said that because Russia has not declared War against Ukraine, there can be no War Crimes.

Are crimes committed in a " Non War" acceptable while crimes committed in a "Real War" are not? As long as you do not declare "War" all is fair?
 

On 9/11/2022 at 9:11 AM, Jerno said:

No. It's not the ordinary Russian people. It's war-monger Putin.  His soldiers are just following his Orders and don't have a choice. Putin is 100% to blame.

I agree and disagree with you Jerno. yep you're right when you say "It's not the ordinary people." and yet Russia like many nations has a strong faction of ultra-nationalists, verging on ultra-right fascism that believes as Putin does.

Russia has a long history of anti-semitism, and an aggressive racism running through it.

Marry this to power mad people like Putin and those who surround and enable him and you've got a nasty recipe for what we see in the Ukraine.

How do I know this? Because I have moderate liberal thinking, worldly, highly educated, critical thinking Russian friends (most are journalists and scientists) who have educated me on their experiences of Russia pre-and post Glasnost, and Putin era.

The Russian failures in logistics, weapons and morale have been quite stunning. They will be in military case studies for decades to come. It's a predictable outcome from the massive corruption within Russia.

 

Having said that, the West needs to maintain resolve in view of the reverse sanctions on energy that have been applied by Putin. And keep on supplying the armaments the Ukrainians need.

 

There's an epidemic of "accidental " deaths going on in the ranks of the oligarchs now. Strange to think a single well-placed bullet could end the suffering of both Ukrainians and Russians.

 

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

The UK Guardian is hardly the best source of information on this kind of conflict. 

On 9/11/2022 at 3:53 AM, Northstar1 said:

I wish nothing but horrendous suffering to every Russian man woman and child 

Just the Russian government and army... innocent Russian people have nothing to opolgise for.