2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

2 sides to every story? Maybe someday you can regale us with the redeeming features of the German case for launching WW2.

Edited September 12, 20223 yr by placeholder

On 9/11/2022 at 7:21 AM, MrJ2U said:

Great news.

 

Hopefully the Ukrainian soldiers decimate this scourge! 

great to wake up to news like this..hope to wake up tomorrow to find the whole of the Russian army no longer exists..Be a Bloody good day 

On 9/10/2022 at 1:53 PM, Northstar1 said:

I wish nothing but horrendous suffering to every Russian man woman and child 

I’m delighted the Ukrainians are routing the russan armed forces as for this statement above I strongly disagree im sure the majority of russan troops aren’t rapist murders to me I think it would be wise for the Ukrainians to treat any Russian pows fairly that way they won’t be afaraid to surrender but also screening the captives for the criminal elements and prosecuting them use the rest as labor to fix the damage their government created 

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

Well Said

In youtube I listen to the Duran and am getting straight State talking points Also Gonzalo Lira 11 points made inside Ukraine also propaganda. Enabling cold counterpoints.

The two on the Duran now are feeling like Putin has let Russians down and in their option Putin needs to get truly offensive and react without remorse. End the bluffing.  

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32 minutes ago, Harveyboy said:

great to wake up to news like this..hope to wake up tomorrow to find the whole of the Russian army no longer exists..Be a Bloody good day 

Your my first thumbs up Harvey Boy! 

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Failing invasion and subjugation of Russia by Ukraine/Western Nations (a fantasy) or ousting of Putin in favor of Russian leadership willing to accept internal arrest and prosecution of Russians for War crimes, the only Russians held accountable for war crimes will be those who are captured by Ukraine and/or its allies and prosecuted by an independent and sovereign Ukraine. 

Ironically, the threat of war crimes by Russia may motivate Putin in part to continue his Special Operations in Ukraine. Putin has said that because Russia has not declared War against Ukraine, there can be no War Crimes.

Rape, murder and torture are still crimes. War or no war.

5 hours ago, milesinnz said:

As far as I was aware, a great many people in Russia still support Putin, sure, it can be down to propaganda as many Germans supported Hitler at one stage. But people need to take responsibility for who they decide to support....

I'm not sure population has a choice if as news coverage shows to be anti war openly can land you in jail .If news is given in a selected manner until reality hits of course the population has a different view of who is right compared to most of the world. In the west we have freedom to get the actual facts but we get fed news as we want it look at trump either a victim or villain you choose a side and you will be bombarded with "news" to support your theory 

17 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

I'm not sure population has a choice if as news coverage shows to be anti war openly can land you in jail .If news is given in a selected manner until reality hits of course the population has a different view of who is right compared to most of the world. In the west we have freedom to get the actual facts but we get fed news as we want it look at trump either a victim or villain you choose a side and you will be bombarded with "news" to support your theory 

Also, if I were a Russian, would I risk saying what I really believe? Would I even search out different sources of information? The consequences could be very serious.

22 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

A regiment is brigade size. For the regiment to just disintegrate is a shocking military set back. That will mean thousands of Russia soldiers just too frightened and refused to fight and probably deserted. Contrasting morale with the Ukraine resolved to fight and Russia force to fight. Kind of like Vietnam. 

If a regiment were brigade size, wouldn't be called a brigade?

17 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

If a regiment were brigade size, wouldn't be called a brigade?

Not really. Regiment used by Russia armed force. NATO called that unit brigade. 

Putin has massive support from the Russian people that have been brainwashed by his propaganda for years. I have no sympathy for the Russian soldiers at all. Send them all to hell along with Putin and his oligarchs and any Ukrainian traitors that support them.

Seems strange to me that ASEAN NOW has disabled the "sad Icons" for this thread! And for anyone who disagrees with the diatribe.
You can only like, give a champion point or agree............... 
What wonderful neutrality you show ASEAN  NOW

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Lopchan said:

Seems strange to me that ASEAN NOW has disabled the "sad Icons" for this thread! And for anyone who disagrees with the diatribe.
You can only like, give a champion point or agree............... 
What wonderful neutrality you show ASEAN  NOW

 

 

The icons have been disabled for the entire site. Not just this thread. And not just for this forum.

On 9/11/2022 at 7:24 AM, MrJ2U said:

Well, they went. 

they were lied to 'special operation', some had never even shot or held a gun before, and where basically press ganged into it.

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The icons have been disabled for the entire site. Not just this thread. And not just for this forum.

some are back now we have a red ❤️ and a blue heart???? ?? no confused, or sad, or laugh, but still have thanks 

15 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

We must like it or say thanks, apparently its what we are only allowed now ???? another ban coming up mods ?

definitely a major blow to the inarticulate

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

definitely a major blow to the inarticulate

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1 minute ago, brianthainess said:

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On 9/11/2022 at 7:24 AM, MrJ2U said:

Well, they went. 

Soldiers generally have no say or choice in where they are sent. You are pointing your finger at the wrong end.

 

Start at the very top with Putin who is the cause of this unmitigated disaster. Then go down from the generals in charge of the military branches.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

 

Start at the top with Putin and look at the number of generals below him who if they had enough guts could have stopped it in its tracks before it started.

 

It may have needed a military coup to depose Putin, though IMHO he has always had enough support from the GRU/KGB/whatever they are called nowadays. Hopefully it is still possible and perhaps it will happen but the casualty list will be staggering, mainly I think of staff officers and if the lower ranks get really involved it may be down to unit against unit.

 

Again, only IMHO, it is desperately needed to save the Russian people from what they have now.

10 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story.

And that's where I tuned out. So "the left" can't see both sides while (presumably) "the right" can. And that is coming from a guy who's a fervent supporter of lying moron.

You really couldn't make this stuff up!????

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

Not too surprising to see a fervent trump supporter also being a Putin supporter.

Any other losing tips for the folks?

 

Slava Ukraine

22 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Just the Russian government and army... innocent Russian people have nothing to opolgise for.

Either did the

millions of innocent Ukrainian people 

AndChechnya 

and Georgia 

payback is a bitch!

23 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

 

 

2 sides?  It's 3- you forgot BLM!

On 9/12/2022 at 9:08 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am saddened that 9 months after the military operation started that the left still refuse to accept there are 2 sides to this(and indeed every) story. We really are doomed when arrogant chest beating squashes any desire to understand what is actually happening. There is never a situation where one country is 100% right and another 100% wrong. Propaganda is used just as much in the US as Russia. If this dogmatic stance keeps up we are heading for nuclear war and an end to life on earth. 

 To help understand some background to this conflict, this article is useful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

Do you have your own braain?? who entered into another land, it is so simple to realise

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Lopchan said:

Seems strange to me that ASEAN NOW has disabled the "sad Icons" for this thread! And for anyone who disagrees with the diatribe.
You can only like, give a champion point or agree............... 
What wonderful neutrality you show ASEAN  NOW

 

 

It was bound to happen eventually, as with YouTube thumbs-down. Similar happened with Thaivisa a few years back when + and - reactions were changed to + only. On the other hand, having dislikes cheapens overall ‘reputation’ against genuine likes, if dislikes are indeed tallied. Also, some members would automatically ’sad’  or ‘laugh’ at anything other members said to the point where it all got a bit silly.
 

Anyway, off topic and will no doubt be deleted. 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

If anyone wants to see a spectacular case of bad timing, they should watch this excerpt form a Tucker Carlson interview with a Colonel Douglas MacGregor. He's a regular on Carlson's show and Carlson is a big fan of his. He's also a favorite of many Trump fans who cite him as a "corrective" to the biased reports coming out of the MSM. According to MacGregor, Ukraine's armed forces are failing big time and are on the verge of a final defeat.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-ukraine-russia-guest-b2165684.html

 

For a longer interview you can see Judge Andrew Politano's interview with Macgregor. Start at  9 minutes into it if you don't want to see the whole thing.

 

Elsewhere, MacGregor has accused "rootless cosmopolitans" of being behind the decline of Russia and the current undermining of the USA. Rootless cosmopolitans was a Russian phrase for Jewish intellectuals.

Tucker Carlson & Colonel Douglas MacGregor would both do well to view whats being said on Russian State TV.

 

"We are now at the point where we have to realise its absolutely impossible to defeat Ukraine"

 

 

On 9/12/2022 at 8:55 AM, anandra said:

NONSENSE, they could easily avoid it. especially those guys, they perfectly knew where they go

No they didn’t. Many had no clue where they were going; there was no choice. Similar to the other comment wishing the death of all Russians on the actions of the few. What are you guys smoking? It is good news that the 237th has been taken apart and we all hope Ukraine prevails, but all Russian soldiers or all Russians aren’t to blame; the buck stops with one unhinged, arrogant lunatic!

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Tucker Carlson & Colonel Douglas MacGregor would both do well to view whats being said on Russian State TV.

 

"We are now at the point where we have to realise its absolutely impossible to defeat Ukraine"

 

 

It was actually more sinister than that though.  The full quote is

"People who convinced President Putin that the operation will be fast and effective … these people really set up all of us," Boris Nadezhdin, a former parliament member, said on a talk show on NTV television. "We're now at the point where we have to understand that it's absolutely impossible to defeat Ukraine using these resources and colonial war methods."

 

To me, the implication is that they will move on to using other "methods".

 

Ukraine reclaims more territory, reports capturing many Russian soldiers | CBC News

22 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

It was actually more sinister than that though.  The full quote is

"People who convinced President Putin that the operation will be fast and effective … these people really set up all of us," Boris Nadezhdin, a former parliament member, said on a talk show on NTV television. "We're now at the point where we have to understand that it's absolutely impossible to defeat Ukraine using these resources and colonial war methods."

 

To me, the implication is that they will move on to using other "methods".

 

Ukraine reclaims more territory, reports capturing many Russian soldiers | CBC News

If we can't take it lets break it, that's basically what the evil witch Margarita Simonyan, head of RT news said yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMyfgo0EojQ

 

Edited September 13, 20223 yr by Bkk Brian