Eyesight Issue

[Onerak]

On 10/2/2022 at 12:05 AM, SplitInfinitive said:

Would an optician be able to pick up a health issue or just give me a new prescription for glasses?

 Opticians are involved with filling prescriptions and handling corrective eyewear. In Thailand they don't even need a certificate I think because I asked an optician about het training and, degree, and other requirements. She said she was trained by the doctor (most probably the guy who owns the store and is an optometrist or ophthalmologist)

 

An optometrist is an eye care professional who examines, diagnoses, and treats disorders and diseases of the eye. Think of them as a “primary care” provider for your eyes.

An ophthalmologist is an eye doctor with advanced training (either a doctor of medicine (MD) or doctor of osteopathic medicine (DO) degree) who can diagnose and treat a wide range of eye conditions. They are kind of specialist optometrist and some can even do eye surgery.

Edited October 28, 2022 by Onerak

[lujanit]

34 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

This just now from https://www.zennioptical.com/help website:

 

 

 

That's odd.  I received a pair from Zenni about 10 days ago.

 

2 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

You are aware that Paypal is no longer an option for many expats living in Thailand?  Any Thai registered account now requires a Thai Citizen ID card.

No I didn't.  I use my Australian Paypal account.

[jerrymahoney]

44 minutes ago, lujanit said:

That's odd.  I received a pair from Zenni about 10 days ago

OK Thanks. I was hoping to use them early next year. I have used them before all pre-COVID.

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I'd suggest a bit of skepticism is worthwhile.

In your 60's, you may still be able to handle the side effects of some of the herbals and supplements. It's a different story when one is late seventies or early eighties, toxicity to kidneys and liver may be lethal.

How much research have you done on the side effects of herbals you are taking?

Alot. Virtually none. Especially compared to big pharma junk which kills the liver. Very supportive of the system. I can feel the difference. 

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Doctor Tom said:

The only scientifically proven and accepted supplement for eye conditions, including wet and dry AMD, is AREDS 2, developed by the MAYO Clinic in the US.  It is available in LOS online direct from Pfizer.  To the OP, sounds like cataracts, AMD or Glaucoma, and no, on optician would not see it.  You need to get to a hospital Eye Centre and get checked.  The earlier you get treatment the sooner it can be slowed or stopped. I know of what I speak.  I had AREDS 2 recommended by my hospital consultant.  

Though I believe in science, alot of these studies are biased and alot are sponsored by industry. 

 

What I do believe in is my eyesight. The difference in the clarity of my vision with or without these three supplements is profound. Two of three days without them, and my eyesight starts getting fuzzy again, the strain comes back, it is downhill from there. 

 

So, I believe my body over studies anytime, when the results are this tangible. 

[jerrymahoney]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

So, I believe my body over studies anytime, when the results are this tangible. 

Even the pro-supplement info doesn't seem to go as far with their claims as you do

 

Bilberry Extract and Vision
What the research says about bilberry for vision.

 

https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/features/bilberry-extract-and-vision

[nigelforbes]

12 hours ago, Onerak said:

 Opticians are involved with filling prescriptions and handling corrective eyewear. In Thailand they don't even need a certificate I think because I asked an optician about het training and, degree, and other requirements. She said she was trained by the doctor (most probably the guy who owns the store and is an optometrist or ophthalmologist)

 

An optometrist is an eye care professional who examines, diagnoses, and treats disorders and diseases of the eye. Think of them as a “primary care” provider for your eyes.

An ophthalmologist is an eye doctor with advanced training (either a doctor of medicine (MD) or doctor of osteopathic medicine (DO) degree) who can diagnose and treat a wide range of eye conditions. They are kind of specialist optometrist and some can even do eye surgery.

Your explanation is incorrect.

 

"An optometrist is an eye doctor that can examine, diagnose, and treat your eyes. An ophthalmologist is a medical doctor who can perform medical and surgical interventions for eye conditions. An optician is a professional who can help fit eyeglasses, contact lenses, and other vision-correcting devices".

 

In Thailand, ophthalmologists work ONLY in hospitals. In Thailand, there is a chronic shortage of optometrists, it is known as the missing profession....a few years ago there was fewer than ten in the entire country.

 

Opticians of differing quality are in abundance. When you visit an eye glasses shop you will be seen by an optician who may or may not have any training but is not required to licensed.

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Though I believe in science, alot of these studies are biased and alot are sponsored by industry. 

 

What I do believe in is my eyesight. The difference in the clarity of my vision with or without these three supplements is profound. Two of three days without them, and my eyesight starts getting fuzzy again, the strain comes back, it is downhill from there. 

 

So, I believe my body over studies anytime, when the results are this tangible. 

If you believe these herbals are assisting you, that is probably reinforcing the result. Known as the placebo effect, it's what cures some believers at Lourdes.

Can't argue with your statement the pharmaceutical industry makes products that are bad for the liver. Kidneys too.

I recall reading many years ago an article which said 95% of medications have an organic chlorine component.

[Doctor Tom]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Though I believe in science, alot of these studies are biased and alot are sponsored by industry. 

 

What I do believe in is my eyesight. The difference in the clarity of my vision with or without these three supplements is profound. Two of three days without them, and my eyesight starts getting fuzzy again, the strain comes back, it is downhill from there. 

 

So, I believe my body over studies anytime, when the results are this tangible. 

whatever works for you is good. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Doctor Tom

[Onerak]

10 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

An optometrist is an eye doctor that can examine, diagnose, and treat your eyes. An ophthalmologist is a medical doctor who can perform medical and surgical interventions for eye conditions.

In the USA optometrists are not considered doctors and they can only treat a subset of eye conditions prescribed by state optometrics board. 

 

[nigelforbes]

1 hour ago, Onerak said:

In the USA optometrists are not considered doctors and they can only treat a subset of eye conditions prescribed by state optometrics board. 

 

This is Thailand, the discussion is about Thailand, not the USA!

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Even the pro-supplement info doesn't seem to go as far with their claims as you do

 

Bilberry Extract and Vision
What the research says about bilberry for vision.

 

https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/features/bilberry-extract-and-vision

One can only go by experience. Believe me, you cannot will your vision to get better. When something is this tangible, it is working. Doubt all you want. Frankly, your doubts mean less than zero to me. I am just putting it out there in the hopes that others can find improvement too. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by spidermike007

[jerrymahoney]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

One can only go by experience. Believe me, you cannot will your vision to get better. When something is this tangible, it is working. Doubt all you want. Frankly, your doubts mean less than zero to me. I am just putting it out there in the hopes that others can find improvement too. 

Thank you. I will doubt all I want. 

 

And I remember your posting that, even though the US FDA has said that imports of Grakcu natural Viagra does contain sildenafil, you said the FDA must be lying because, if Grakcu did contain sildenafil, your finely tuned metabolism would definitely react accordingly.

So those governments must be lying to protect big pharma.

 

Your healthcare recommendations mean less than zero to me. You betcha.

Edited October 29, 2022 by jerrymahoney

[Doctor Tom]

15 hours ago, Onerak said:

In the USA optometrists are not considered doctors and they can only treat a subset of eye conditions prescribed by state optometrics board. 

 

as far as I know, that is the same the world over. 

[lopburi3]

5 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

as far as I know, that is the same the world over. 

The issue is they are often called doctors (without the MD) - but most people understand doctor as being an MD.  ????

[Doctor Tom]

1 hour ago, lopburi3 said:

The issue is they are often called doctors (without the MD) - but most people understand doctor as being an MD.  ????

Only in the US. They seem to use the term, 'Doctor' in relation to professionals who are neither a MD, nor a PhD,  Dentists and Vets are an example.  

Edited October 30, 2022 by Doctor Tom

[Hamus Yaigh]

On 10/28/2022 at 5:35 PM, jerrymahoney said:

This just now from https://www.zennioptical.com/help website:

 

 

 

I used them two months ago and again 10 days ago with my shipment currently in Thailand due to arrive tomorrow. This years shipments seem different to previous. Whereas previous seemed to be straight from Hong Kong to Thailand, now they seem to come via Singapore from Sweden and perhaps take about 5 days longer?

Edited October 30, 2022 by Hamus Yaigh