Kalorymetr Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Hi, I made a huge mistake and paid for a condo that turned out to be filthy. I wanted a monthly retreat in another city and found one on fb. Looked good, so I paid 14k baht for 1 month and then later I signed a contract with an agent. I also paid 14k in deposit. Contract was never signed by the owner as apparently she is abroad on a business trip. Condo turned out to be dirty and infested with ants. I had them clean it but it didn't help so I moved out after 3 nights. Owner has returned me the deposit but is refusing to return the rent and she is also saying we never signed any contract. Can I get the money back, is there any chance? Will I waste the money and time on lawyer and police? I understand I will probably loose it, even if on lawyer fees, but I want the landlord to bear the consequences of being a scammer if possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 You haven't been "scammed" . You paid for something and then changed your mind , you cannot get a refund . You should be grateful that you got your deposit back 6 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kalorymetr Posted December 6, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 I paid for clean and nice room, not bugs infested Contract never signed Why would I be grateful about deposit? It's normal to return it in case nothing got damaged 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 You have already your money back - kind off. It's call experience. Most of us paid a lot of money for experience over the years. Accept it, move on. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kalorymetr said: I paid for clean and nice room, not bugs infested Contract never signed Why would I be grateful about deposit? It's normal to return it in case nothing got damaged You paid for the room as it was , you should have inspected the room before you agreed to rent it . If you left before the agreed date that could be a reason to forfeit the deposit 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 It's a waste of time pursuing it, move on. Lesson learned, I won't even take a hotel room for one night unless I have seen it first. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 You have two chances of getting your 14k back... Buckley's and none. you could have stayed 1 month just to use your months rent, then leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 39 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You haven't been "scammed" . You paid for something and then changed your mind , you cannot get a refund . You should be grateful that you got your deposit back There's another angle... He paid for a something he didn’t receive... i.e. a Clean liveable space.... clearly this was not provided. Its not a scam of course, but if the place is filthy, the owner has not kept up to their side of the contract (and then she says there is no contract). He should of course have looked before committing.... lesson learned. 35 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You paid for the room as it was , you should have inspected the room before you agreed to rent it . If you left before the agreed date that could be a reason to forfeit the deposit When someone books a room ‘paying as is’ is fine if the place is not filthy and infested with ants. Clearly the place was not what was promised. You’re being extremely harsh on the Op... its not his fault the place is filthy, its the onwers fault for not providing the place as advertised - I very much doubt the photos of the place showed ants and unclean rooms... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker2 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 44 minutes ago, Kalorymetr said: I paid for clean and nice room, not bugs infested Contract never signed Why would I be grateful about deposit? It's normal to return it in case nothing got damaged You didn't inspect the apartment first? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawpcorn Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Price of "education" = value of lesson learned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FriendlyFarang Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You paid for something and then changed your mind , you cannot get a refund . You should be grateful that you got your deposit back He wanted to rent an ant infested room? The agent informed him before renting that the room is ant infested? I don't think so, so he didn't get what he paid for. If you have enough free time you can file a police report. If there will ever be any outcome ..... who know.... But while you do the police report (and you have printouts of the chat etc. on the table with the police offer), you might want to take some pictures of it, and send this together with the police report to the land lord to inform him that you reported him to police, maybe he gets scared and decides to refund the money. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, FriendlyFarang said: He wanted to rent an ant infested room? The agent informed him before renting that the room is ant infested? I don't think so, so he didn't get what he paid for. He agreed to rent the room , rent the room as it stood . If he didn't like something about the condo, he shouldn't have rented it in the first place . Ants are quite common in condos and to get rid of them you just have to remove the food source and they will go elsewhere 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawpcorn Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Ants are quite common in condos and to get rid of them you just have to remove the food source and they will go elsewhere Ant poison is also very cheap and very effective, killing the queen ants in each hive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: There's another angle... He paid for a something he didn’t receive... i.e. a Clean liveable space.... clearly this was not provided. Its not a scam of course, but if the place is filthy, the owner has not kept up to their side of the contract (and then she says there is no contract). He should of course have looked before committing.... lesson learned. When someone books a room ‘paying as is’ is fine if the place is not filthy and infested with ants. Clearly the place was not what was promised. You’re being extremely harsh on the Op... its not his fault the place is filthy, its the onwers fault for not providing the place as advertised - I very much doubt the photos of the place showed ants and unclean rooms... Where does it say that the owner agreed to a certain level of cleanliness ? As the Condo was cleansed as requested by the OP and he wasn't happy, that suggests the condo was old . He really should have had a look before agreeing to live in the condo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonRob2 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Baygon 89 baht. Regards, Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Kalorymetr said: Can I get the money back, is there any chance? Will I waste the money and time on lawyer and police? What has she done wrong? You agreed to pay for a condo unseen? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Kalorymetr said: Contract never signed Exactly, so there's no reason for her to pay you anything more. Why did you choose to pay money and move in with no contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Kalorymetr said: I paid for clean and nice room, not bugs infested So why did you choose to pay and move in, then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Clearly the place was not what was promised. You’re being extremely harsh on the Op... its not his fault the place is filthy, So why did he choose to move in if it was so filthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, FriendlyFarang said: He wanted to rent an ant infested room? The agent informed him before renting that the room is ant infested? I don't think so, so he didn't get what he paid for. If you have enough free time you can file a police report. If there will ever be any outcome ..... who know.... But while you do the police report (and you have printouts of the chat etc. on the table with the police offer), you might want to take some pictures of it, and send this together with the police report to the land lord to inform him that you reported him to police, maybe he gets scared and decides to refund the money. Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: So why did you choose to pay and move in, then? Often its to save on a few nights hotel bills . Instead of moving to an area and spending a few days looking around at properties , they cut corners and book online without seeing the place first , saves money on a few nights at hotels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimTripper Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Facebook looks sketchy with what looks like people taking out yearly leases and subletting, or just regular people posing as agents. I'm going to stick with a brick & mortar agency. Edited December 6, 2022 by JimTripper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Often its to save on a few nights hotel bills . Instead of moving to an area and spending a few days looking around at properties , they cut corners and book online without seeing the place first , saves money on a few nights at hotels I know that, I was asking him why he chose to move in if it was as sh1tty as he claimed, no one forced him to, I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimTripper Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: I know that, I was asking him why he chose to move in if it was as sh1tty as he claimed, no one forced him to, I don't think. They take great photo's and fool people, or even photo's of a different unit, or mis-represent it to make a sale. Many people don't have the time to check every little detail on everything before they commit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Kalorymetr said: I paid for clean and nice room, not bugs infested Was that in the contract? Buy a bottle of bleach, throw it over the ants and you won't see them for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, FriendlyFarang said: He wanted to rent an ant infested room? The agent informed him before renting that the room is ant infested? I don't think so, so he didn't get what he paid for. If you have enough free time you can file a police report. If there will ever be any outcome ..... who know.... But while you do the police report (and you have printouts of the chat etc. on the table with the police offer), you might want to take some pictures of it, and send this together with the police report to the land lord to inform him that you reported him to police, maybe he gets scared and decides to refund the money. File a police report as there are ants. ROFL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 38 minutes ago, JimTripper said: They take great photo's and fool people, or even photo's of a different unit, or mis-represent it to make a sale. Many people don't have the time to check every little detail on everything before they commit. Where have you seen the photos of the condo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimTripper Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Where have you seen the photos of the condo ? Does not really matter, I always view in person. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Just now, JimTripper said: Does not really matter, I always view in person. ???? You mentioned the photos of the condo and I wondered where you had seen the photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Where does it say that the owner agreed to a certain level of cleanliness ? Thats a silly comment - its like writing “where does say the toilet flushed”.... There is a perfectly reasonable assumption that a place is clean and liveable. 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: As the Condo was cleansed as requested by the OP and he wasn't happy, that suggests the condo was old . It had an ant-infestation... 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: He really should have had a look before agreeing to live in the condo Agreed... naive of the Op.. but that doesn't place him the wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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