Pentagon Bars Biden Admin From Sharing Evidence of Russian War Crimes

[onthedarkside]

 

The Pentagon has blocked the Biden Administration from sharing evidence of potential Russian war crimes with the International Criminal Court, according to officials with knowledge of the matter.

 

The intel reportedly includes details of Russia’s intention to target civilian infrastructure and abduct Ukrainian children.

 

Although Congress modified legal restrictions in December to allow the U.S. to assist Ukraine in court investigations, the behind-the-scenes tussle over whether to continue has the administration divided.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pentagon-bars-biden-admin-from-sharing-evidence-of-russian-war-crimes

 

[Tug]

Most likely protecting source and methods imo slava Ukraine ???????? 

[heybruce]

Misleading title.  Should read "Pentagon objections dissuade Biden admin..." 

 

If Biden really wanted this information shared it would be made available.

[internationalism]

44 minutes ago, Tug said:

Most likely protecting source and methods imo slava Ukraine ???????? 

you haven't read this short article, noting about protecting sources.

"Pentagon leaders reportedly don’t want to help with the tribunal’s investigation because it could lead to a precedent that would encourage them to prosecute Americans."

 

During such trials ukrainian war crimes would have to be investigated, as russia contest some of the very same ukrainian accusations. Russia is documenting war crimes as much as ukrainians, as they know they have to come with evidence at courts.

Evidence from the other governments, on top of the usa, would have to be allowed to be submitted and they might be contradicting.

So not necessarily the usa evidence will be judged as credible. And that would undermine american intelligence

Edited March 9, 2023 by internationalism

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, internationalism said:

you haven't read this short article, noting about protecting sources.

"Pentagon leaders reportedly don’t want to help with the tribunal’s investigation because it could lead to a precedent that would encourage them to prosecute Americans."

 

During such trials ukrainian war crimes would have to be investigated, as russia contest some of the very same ukrainian accusations. Russia is documenting war crimes as much as ukrainians, as they know they have to come with evidence at courts.

Evidence from the other governments, on top of the usa, would have to be allowed to be submitted and they might be contradicting.

So not necessarily the usa evidence will be judged as credible. And that would undermine american intelligence

You also haven't read the sub link to the lengthy source article from the New York Times which is linked to the Daily Beast summary. I suggest you do rather than make further unfounded speculations on why they are currently discussing handing any evidence over.

 

You should by now know how to circumvent the paywall, links to that have been provided many times

[Srikcir]

6 hours ago, internationalism said:

you haven't read this short article, noting about protecting sources.

"Pentagon leaders reportedly don’t want to help with the tribunal’s investigation because it could lead to a precedent that would encourage them to prosecute Americans."

 

During such trials ukrainian war crimes would have to be investigated, as russia contest some of the very same ukrainian accusations. Russia is documenting war crimes as much as ukrainians, as they know they have to come with evidence at courts.

Evidence from the other governments, on top of the usa, would have to be allowed to be submitted and they might be contradicting.

So not necessarily the usa evidence will be judged as credible. And that would undermine american intelligence

All very true. But unnecessary.

At this time neither Ukraine nor the US has standing before the ICC as both have not ratified such authority of the ICC to prosecute their own citizens for alleged war crimes. As such Biden shouldn't have offered evidence and the Pentagon shouldn't have to "remind" Biden of the US lack of recognition of the ICC.

In the end....a nothing burger. 

[vandeventer]

And Biden works for who?

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22 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

All very true. But unnecessary.

At this time neither Ukraine nor the US has standing before the ICC as both have not ratified such authority of the ICC to prosecute their own citizens for alleged war crimes. As such Biden shouldn't have offered evidence and the Pentagon shouldn't have to "remind" Biden of the US lack of recognition of the ICC.

In the end....a nothing burger. 

Not being under the jurisdiction of the ICC has no bearing on whether or not Biden should offer evidence. Clearly, the concern is that this could blow back on the USA. And deservedly so.

[placnx]

12 hours ago, internationalism said:

you haven't read this short article, noting about protecting sources.

"Pentagon leaders reportedly don’t want to help with the tribunal’s investigation because it could lead to a precedent that would encourage them to prosecute Americans."

 

During such trials ukrainian war crimes would have to be investigated, as russia contest some of the very same ukrainian accusations. Russia is documenting war crimes as much as ukrainians, as they know they have to come with evidence at courts.

Evidence from the other governments, on top of the usa, would have to be allowed to be submitted and they might be contradicting.

So not necessarily the usa evidence will be judged as credible. And that would undermine american intelligence

I seem to remember that the Rome Treaty provides that the ICC intervenes when a country does not or cannot credibly investigate and prosecute a crime on its own. This should negate the objection of the Pentagon. Also, when a crime is committed on a territory that is party to the treaty, it's logical that it doesn't matter whether or not the country of the perpetrator has adhered to the treaty. Maybe the Pentagon's precedent issue arises from the fact that the Palestinians have joined the treaty, but Israel has not.

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, vandeventer said:

And Biden works for who?

The Left

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54 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The Left

Can you please be a little vaguer?

[wombat]

16 hours ago, vandeventer said:

And Biden works for who?

He can't remember?

[SunnyinBangrak]

Tell me biden is not in charge of running the US government without telling me biden is not in charge of running the US government.

 

How weak and befuddled does a POTUS have to be to be ordered around by suits in the pentagon. It's another cringe moment.

[Credo]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Tell me biden is not in charge of running the US government without telling me biden is not in charge of running the US government.

 

How weak and befuddled does a POTUS have to be to be ordered around by suits in the pentagon. It's another cringe moment.

Oh, he's in charge and, like a decent president, he follows the laws and regulations as well as the recommendations of the agencies involved.