Move Forward Scores Surprise Victory; Pita To Become PM

[candide]

1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Largest party vote, yes, but they still need to form a coalition, which is never easy.

That's the easy part. The difficult part will be to effectively govern and implement a program, despite the Junta's constitution,  the Senate, the NACC, the courts, etc... Or even simply not to be ousted!

[StayinThailand2much]

43 minutes ago, candide said:

That's the easy part. The difficult part will be to effectively govern and implement a program, despite the Junta's constitution,  the Senate, the NACC, the courts, etc... Or even simply not to be ousted!

Yes, and the latest news is that Move Forward wants to be in a coalition with 5(?) other parties. Considering the different interests and agendas of these parties, it will keep journalists busy, no doubt, but it remains to be seen whether such a coalition will last long...

Edited May 15, 2023 by StayinThailand2much

[candide]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

This is excellent news, but I expect there will be a judicial coup in the near future, followed by a military coup if the ensuing protests go on too long.  It's definitely progress, but the future will not be easy.

 

I found this especially interesting:

 

"Pita’s party has won all 33 Bangkok constituencies and swept all constituencies of several provinces in all regions of the country including the capital city’s neighbouring ones." 

 

The "elites" (dinosaurs) have lost Bangkok, the city that they made the focus of wealth and power in Thailand.  The people are screaming that they want the relics of bygone ages out of government.  Will the relics listen?

You are probably right about the judicial coup, as the constitution has integrated the possibility to do it very easily. Actually, the constitution has been designed to this end. However, it is very unlikely that a military coup may happen, unless a particular institution is clearly threatened.

Let me explain again:

- for the two previous coup, the army was able to claim that it made this decision independently, as ordered by the army chief. For example, Prayut claimed he "took his responsibilities" and made the decision by himself. Therefore, the spirit of the constitution, and of the main principle of the Thai political system, was officially preserved.

- currently, the army forces stationed in Bangkok (the ones who usually implement coups) are under direct Royal command and not any more under the army chief's command. Therefore, it could not be claimed any more that the army made the decision by itself.

[anrcaccount]

I follow Khun Pita down to Lumphini Park

 

Listening to the wind of change. 

 

 

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Largest party vote, yes, but they still need to form a coalition, which is never easy.

It will be easier for the defeated army-affiliated parties to form a minority coalition.

[Billybaroo]

17 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The leader of the party that wins the most seats has the first opportunity to attempt to form a coalition - it is standard practice all over the world.

 

The likely coalition of MF, PT and several smaller parties will command at least 308 seats.

 

At best, a coalition of Prayuth, Prawit, Anutin and a few smaller parties would command about 183 seats - under the 251 required for a lower house majority.

 

Are you suggesting that the leader of a party that won less seats should become the PM?

 Parliamentary governing 101 with a little Thai spice thrown in.  

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, candide said:

You are probably right about the judicial coup, as the constitution has integrated the possibility to do it very easily. Actually, the constitution has been designed to this end. However, it is very unlikely that a military coup may happen, unless a particular institution is clearly threatened.

Let me explain again:

- for the two previous coup, the army was able to claim that it made this decision independently, as ordered by the army chief. For example, Prayut claimed he "took his responsibilities" and made the decision by himself. Therefore, the spirit of the constitution, and of the main principle of the Thai political system, was officially preserved.

- currently, the army forces stationed in Bangkok (the ones who usually implement coups) are under direct Royal command and not any more under the army chief's command. Therefore, it could not be claimed any more that the army made the decision by itself.

Regarding that middle bit about 'made the decision by himself', didn't Prayuth once point at Prawit in parliament when someone asked who's idea the coup was? That was when they were best buddies and before he went off to seek fame and fortune as an 'independent' politician.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Regarding that middle bit about 'made the decision by himself', didn't Prayuth once point at Prawit in parliament when someone asked who's idea the coup was? That was when they were best buddies and before he went off to seek fame and fortune as an 'independent' politician.

Thaksin got his passport revoked in 2015 for giving his idea about the origin of the coup, if you remember.

[NextG]

10 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Regarding that middle bit about 'made the decision by himself', didn't Prayuth once point at Prawit in parliament when someone asked who's idea the coup was? That was when they were best buddies and before he went off to seek fame and fortune as an 'independent' politician.

‘Twas the other way around. But there was no pointing. Prayut held up his hand: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/pm-prayut-admits-to-being-sole-coup-maker-as-deputy-prawit-defends-his-luxury-watches-in-censure-debate/

[EdrigoSalvadore]

US government are celebrating this victory...

[Stargeezr]

I just hope that the military backs this new government, as well as the rich and powerful people of Thailand

which I cannot utter the words.  Good luck to the future of Thailand. Here is hoping.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

Well a great result for Thailand, but the establishment are not about to let an election result get in their way.

Best of luck Pita.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

8 hours ago, candide said:

Thaksin got his passport revoked in 2015 for giving his idea about the origin of the coup, if you remember.

Is that why they took his diplomatic passport, it had nothing to do with his corrupt dealings, tax evasion and all the missing and 2,500 dead people?

The US got Al Capone on Tax evasion in the end.

[NanLaew]

14 hours ago, candide said:

Thaksin got his passport revoked in 2015 for giving his idea about the origin of the coup, if you remember.

Relevance?

 

14 hours ago, NextG said:

‘Twas the other way around. But there was no pointing. Prayut held up his hand: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/pm-prayut-admits-to-being-sole-coup-maker-as-deputy-prawit-defends-his-luxury-watches-in-censure-debate/

OK, thanks for correcting my addled recollections of the glorious times of yore.

[NanLaew]

14 hours ago, EdrigoSalvadore said:

US government are celebrating this victory...

They'll celebrate anything to deflect attention from their own political impasse.

[Pink Mist]

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[candide]

8 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Is that why they took his diplomatic passport, it had nothing to do with his corrupt dealings, tax evasion and all the missing and 2,500 dead people?

The US got Al Capone on Tax evasion in the end.

You should get informed before posting

https://www.reuters.com/article/thailand-politics-idINKBN0OC0UJ20150527

[Pink Mist]

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[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

8 hours ago, candide said:

You should get informed before posting

https://www.reuters.com/article/thailand-politics-idINKBN0OC0UJ20150527

I didn't say you were wrong, but I am referring to the story behind "the story" in the report you quote (in the link).

[candide]

47 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

I didn't say you were wrong, but I am referring to the story behind "the story" in the report you quote (in the link).

My post was about the 2015 event. I think you referred to the previous time he had a passport revoked. In 2015 it was likely only because of what he said during an interview.

[bristolgeoff]

Don,t know if the orange party will get what they want after seeing the games others are trying to stop them in getting the power in thailand