Popular Post webfact Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 Nigel Farage. Credit: Wikimedia Former UKIP leader blames Tory government for not taking advantage of leaving the EU BY ANDREW MCDONALD LONDON — Nigel Farage, one of the biggest advocates of Britain’s departure from the European Union, reckons Brexit has failed. Speaking on the BBC’s Newsnight program Monday night, the former Brexit Party leader — one of the most famous figureheads of the Brexit cause — admitted the U.K. had not benefited economically from leaving the bloc. “What Brexit has proved, I’m afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in Brussels. We’ve mismanaged this totally,” Farage said, responding to a raft of data suggesting there had been a negative economic impact of Brexit. “Brexit has failed,” he added. “We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.” Full story: https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-uk-eu-brexit-has-failed/ -- © Copyright POLITICO 2023-05-17 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 Is this the bit where Farage keeps his promise to go live overseas if Brexit fails. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigel-farage-leave-uk-brexit-failed-111255330.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnRoLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANdIyrisTeJWAxZBKdi6CqRFHxLvfRYKC0xdzRZmknIp2J_Aljcv9MEdDq9kekA6_Omchsn4r6t1PjlGXjWMyp5leMziiee1IDsAiO1ZYv9EgilpWCQuzv9qjbkCmfXiZsVHlTLKamR_5NJdEjTuSm_LW1ZZqKpZ_llhH2ycxULG# 5 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Is this the bit where Farage keeps his promise to go live overseas if Brexit fails. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigel-farage-leave-uk-brexit-failed-111255330.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnRoLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANdIyrisTeJWAxZBKdi6CqRFHxLvfRYKC0xdzRZmknIp2J_Aljcv9MEdDq9kekA6_Omchsn4r6t1PjlGXjWMyp5leMziiee1IDsAiO1ZYv9EgilpWCQuzv9qjbkCmfXiZsVHlTLKamR_5NJdEjTuSm_LW1ZZqKpZ_llhH2ycxULG# Have most of the spivs who were at the forefront of pushing Russian backed brexit not already set themselves up with foreign residencies? 5 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bendejo Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 No, we didn't forget. 5 1 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Regyai Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 Yup Being given the power on a plate is one thing Having enough spine to use it - another 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mfd101 Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 (Yawn). Quelle surprise! 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) You need to listen to his whole speech to understand what he meant and what he was saying , rather than just concentrate on three words and ignoring the previous words and what he said afterwards and to listen to the question asked Edited May 17, 2023 by Mac Mickmanus 5 1 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 Nigel says that he doesn't think Brexit has been a failure , he says that the Tory Government have failed to implement it properly , like allowing more immigration when Brexit was meant to stop more immigration 6 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PeeJayEm Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 What he is saying is that Brexit was not properly done, in reference to the shilly-shallying antics, half in / half out compromises and dithering by the UK parliament and judges in not implementing what the majority voted for. 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 As usual, It's someone else's fault! 9 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, candide said: As usual, It's someone else's fault! Are you suggesting that the Government isn't responsible for running the Country !!!!!!!!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moogradod Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 When they discussed Brexit in the house of commons I was fascinated by following the discussions as advertised by the Guardians blog. Every night I was very well entertained., but I thought they would not really do it - or would they ? Yes, they did it with a big misconception in mind: The rise of a new independent British Empire. It was absolutely clear that this had no future and misery would follow. I am sad for the many people so badly affected. but finally have to conclude: You reap what you sow. 5 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, moogradod said: : The rise of a new independent British Empire. Not one person at all wanted anything like that , and nothing of that nature was ever mentioned by anyone 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogradod Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Not one person at all wanted anything like that , and nothing of that nature was ever mentioned by anyone I remember the one who might share the same barber as Trump did mention it some times. I dont mean an Empire with international reach as a long time before (well they have some islands overseas even now), but an independend region like folks on an island tend to like. And let me add: He really should get a proper haircut - at least that. Edited May 17, 2023 by moogradod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drumbuie Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Nigel says that he doesn't think Brexit has been a failure , he says that the Tory Government have failed to implement it properly , like allowing more immigration when Brexit was meant to stop more immigration What was there to implement? They had no plan. They spent the years between the referendum and Brexit running round like headless chickens, not bothering to gen up on how much the UK depended on the EU for both exports and imports of food, to mention just one vital commodity. Nor on how much documentation would be required by the EU for imports and exports once we ceased to be a member. They ignored the problem of the Good Friday Agreement (signalled loud and clear the day after the Referendum by both Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times and Joyce MacMillan in The Scotsman, to name but two). They ignored the preparations for a possible pandemic recommended by their own committee in 2018. They ignored all the advice from the civil service. They continued to draw down higher salaries than 95% of UK taxpayers, plus ludicrously generous expenses, while complaining they weren't paid enough. They were only concerned with pleasing their donors and backers who wanted to evade the EU's crackdown on tax havens which might have negatively affected their excessive wealth. And for that, they threw away the best deal any EU member had - in Schengen but not in the Eurozone, in control of its own borders (yes, we were) and able to influence EU legislation because of its historic ties and reputation - the latter now completely trashed. But there are stilll people who believe against all the evidence that Nigel Farage (who ran off to get EU passports for his family the day after the referendum result) or Jacob Rees-Mogg (who moved his tax-efficient company to Dublin) do care a toss about anyone other than themselves. 9 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Drumbuie Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, PeeJayEm said: What he is saying is that Brexit was not properly done, in reference to the shilly-shallying antics, half in / half out compromises and dithering by the UK parliament and judges in not implementing what the majority voted for. 37.5% of the electorate and a very narrow majority of those who voted voted to Leave in a referendum that was sold to the House of Commons as "advisory" . There was no White Paper explaining what would happen. There was no proper discussion of the full consequences. So a narrow majority voted Leave without the slightest idea of what it entailed. Let me remind you that when the Scottish electorate voted for devolution in 1979, it was disallowed as it did not represent 40% of the electorate. Why was this not applicable to the UK electorate in a decision with far greater consequences? 3 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Caldera Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 7 hours ago, webfact said: “What Brexit has proved, I’m afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in Brussels. We’ve mismanaged this totally,” He's not wrong about that. Why people believed that the likes of Boris would be able to make Brexit a success is anyone's guess. They're nothing more than entitled brats from a select few inbred families, completely useless. In Brussels, you have at least a good mix of various flavors of incompetence and corruption, not this inbred Tory monoculture. ???? 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ballpoint Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 The dog finally managed to catch the car, and Nigel is surprised to find that it doesn't know how to drive it. 7 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, ballpoint said: The dog finally managed to catch the car, and Nigel is surprised to find that it doesn't know how to drive it. ???? A superb analogy which sums up Brexit perfectly. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, moogradod said: When they discussed Brexit in the house of commons I was fascinated by following the discussions as advertised by the Guardians blog. Every night I was very well entertained., but I thought they would not really do it - or would they ? Yes, they did it with a big misconception in mind: The rise of a new independent British Empire. It was absolutely clear that this had no future and misery would follow. I am sad for the many people so badly affected. but finally have to conclude: You reap what you sow. Not up to the rebirth of a British Empire, but there was great hope that the commonwealth countries would compensate for the loss of some EU trade: “Outside the EU the world is our oyster, and the Commonwealth the pearl within” (UKIP) Of course, it didn't happen, just like the other promises made or suggested. Edited May 17, 2023 by candide 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, candide said: Not up to the rebirth of a British Empire, but there was great hope that the commonwealth countries would compensate for the loss of some EU trade: “Outside the EU the world is our oyster, and the Commonwealth the pearl within” (UKIP) Of course, it didn't happen, just like the other promises made or suggested. The U.K and India have agreed on trade deals between the two Countries since the U.K left the EU and they are currently in talks about Free trade deal . The U.K has also agreed trade deals with Australia ...........and Singapore and numerous African Countries . So, it did indeed happen 1 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, candide said: As usual, It's someone else's fault! Basically the inept Conservative party at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Nigel says that he doesn't think Brexit has been a failure , he says that the Tory Government have failed to implement it properly , like allowing more immigration when Brexit was meant to stop more immigration It’s always somebody else fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 The people vigorously defending Brexit yesterday are a no show in this thread. 1 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 Why is anybody still listening to that guy? The only thing he is capable of doing is saying: You didn't do it right. And maybe: I would have done it right. But obviously he only tells people in hindsight what didn't work. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Why is anybody still listening to that guy? The only thing he is capable of doing is saying: You didn't do it right. And maybe: I would have done it right. But obviously he only tells people in hindsight what didn't work. If you would have listened to him, you would have heard that he is saying that the Tory Government have failed to deliver the Brexit that the U.K voted for and that they have failed in their task 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The U.K and India have agreed on trade deals between the two Countries since the U.K left the EU and they are currently in talks about Free trade deal . The U.K has also agreed trade deals with Australia ...........and Singapore and numerous African Countries . So, it did indeed happen What new trade deals has the UK negotiated with India and "numerous African countries" since the UK left the EU? "As of May 2023, the United Kingdom has 36 active free trade agreements with nations and trade blocs, covering 98 countries and territories.[3][4] Three of these are 'new' trade agreements: the European Union, Japan, and an enhanced agreement with Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. The remaining 33 are continuity agreements. In addition, two further new agreements, with Australia and New Zealand, are expected to come into force on 31 May 2023" (Source: Wikipedia) There are currently ongoing talks between the UK and India, just as there are between the EU and India. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, RayC said: What new trade deals has the UK negotiated with India and "numerous African countries" since the UK left the EU? "As of May 2023, the United Kingdom has 36 active free trade agreements with nations and trade blocs, covering 98 countries and territories.[3][4] Three of these are 'new' trade agreements: the European Union, Japan, and an enhanced agreement with Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. The remaining 33 are continuity agreements. In addition, two further new agreements, with Australia and New Zealand, are expected to come into force on 31 May 2023" (Source: Wikipedia) There are currently ongoing talks between the UK and India, just as there are between the EU and India. You can read all about them here https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/the-uks-trade-agreements 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Mist Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 A post with unsubstantiated claims and a foreign language video have been removed. 3. English is the only permitted language anywhere on ASEAN NOW, except within the Thai language forum, where using Thai is allowed. Short Thai translations of technical terms are permitted in specialty forums. While we make allowances for members who do not speak English as their first language, we expect everyone to make an effort to post in a manner that allows others to understand their posts. As an international forum we have members from many countries in the world, and English is not the first language of every poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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