Social Media Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Summary Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to criminal charges alleging he retained classified documents after he left the White House It's alleged that US government secrets were stored in a shower, bathroom, ballroom and bedroom of his Mar-a-Lago estate After leaving the court, the former president stopped at a well-known Cuban cafe in Miami to greet supporters Trump will speak later today from his golf club in New Jersey Supporters of the former president have been protesting the indictment outside the Miami court Trump, who is campaigning to win back the White House, says the indictment is "election interference" Special Counsel Jack Smith, the lead investigator, says he wants a speedy trial and that Trump is innocent until proven guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 Interesting that no family members accompanied the former president to his arraignment. No Melania, no Don Jr., no Ivanka, no Tiffany. That seems sad. Just like his New York arraignment, Trump did not have any friends or family there with him, just his lawyers and his personal aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-indictment-live-updates-arraignment-rcna88868 I wonder if the judge advised the defendants not to speak publicly about the proceedings? The former president left for a fundraiser at his Bedminster club after the proceedings. Mr. Nauta will probably be busy "valeting" boxes and such at that facility. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 I was thinking the same thing looks like his family is distancing themselves perhaps they don’t want to be sucked down as old Donnie sinks under the weight of all his lies over the years oh well he has only himself to blame 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bendejo Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Tug said: I was thinking the same thing looks like his family is distancing themselves perhaps they don’t want to be sucked down as old Donnie sinks under the weight of all his lies over the years oh well he has only himself to blame They also have issues of their own, like https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html And there's another NY case (not the hush money one) that packs the whole lot of them together, maybe this could be the RICO case that sinks them. I think ol' Donny was disappointed on 1/6 when his progeny was not tweeting "Go Dad!" and he is still clinging to it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalawaan Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, bamnutsak said: Interesting that no family members accompanied the former president to his arraignment. No Melania, no Don Jr., no Ivanka, no Tiffany. That seems sad. Just like his New York arraignment, Trump did not have any friends or family there with him, just his lawyers and his personal aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-indictment-live-updates-arraignment-rcna88868 I wonder if the judge advised the defendants not to speak publicly about the proceedings? The former president left for a fundraiser at his Bedminster club after the proceedings. Mr. Nauta will probably be busy "valeting" boxes and such at that facility. Tiffany has allegedly long rolled-over on Daddy dearest to save her perfumed tush from wearing Orange. But this case isn't about that, I'm just observing that's why the family may have not wanted to appear, they all have seperate legal woes, the case that Tiffany has to answer, leading to more trouble for Trump himself, is still ahead. I'm surprised the stress of all this hasn't killed him. I don't think I could cope in his position at his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chalawaan Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) Just saying "not guilty" in a courtroom (who ever isn't!) And absurd claims that boxes of evidence from the scene of the crime is fake/false is just delusional. Nobody goes to trial at this level unless there is some truth to it, any two-bit bum can be framed by the cops, an ex POTUS is a whole other level. It's not happening unless the evidence is rock solid! Can you set out a basic argument beyond your belief that it's all fake? Your denial is at the intellectual level of a five year old. "Oh yes he did!" "Oh no he didn't!" and on and on, just a refusal to even consider reality, that 45 is in a courtroom for reasons other than a "witch hunt" come on, due process is why it's taken this long! And it is tragic to see adults choose this level of denial, especially over something as important as your own future. Keep on doing China's dirty work for them! If you can't see that, then there's not much hope your kids and grandkids will enjoy a future that your American ancestors went to great pains and sacrifice to build and maintain. Edited June 14, 2023 by Pink Mist Replied to post removed 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Mist Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 A trolling baiting post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) I thought it was sad because, normally, one's family accompanies them to court for support. And Trump being such a family man, it must have been tough on him. I guess he'll always have Walt Nauta. Nixon had Manolo Sanchez - referred to him by Bebe Rebozo - and of course his wife, daughters and sons in law. BTW, like his dad, I forgot about Eric. Sorry. Will he run for president without any family support? Surely Melania will pitch in and help him get re-elected? Edited June 14, 2023 by bamnutsak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neeranam Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, chalawaan said: Just saying "not guilty" in a courtroom (who ever isn't!) And absurd claims that boxes of evidence from the scene of the crime is fake/false is just delusional. If he was guilty and there was proof, do you really think he would deny it in a court of law? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Neeranam said: If he was guilty and there was proof, do you really think he would deny it in a court of law? He’s stated he shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose supporters. He clearly doesn’t do ‘guilt’ or ‘accountability’. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Neeranam said: If he was guilty and there was proof, do you really think he would deny it in a court of law? At least in the USoA, in a criminal trial, it is the job of the prosecutor to prove the defendant did do as charged. Not that the defendant has to prove he didn't do as charged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said: At least in the USoA, in a criminal trial, it is the job of the prosecutor to prove the defendant did do as charged. Not that the defendant has to prove he didn't do as charged Right, but the President would not lie under oath if there was proof he did something. Could he not be then charged with Perjury? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Right, but the President would not lie under oath if there was proof he did something. Could he not be then charged with Perjury? Trump nor any defendant in a US criminal trial is not required to take the witness stand at all. That is, if the defense does not call the defendant to testify, the prosecution cannot then call the defendant to testify, Edited June 14, 2023 by jerrymahoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Neeranam said: I understand. I think you miss my point - no President is going to lie under oath and risk perjury, and going to jail, if there is in fact evidence that they did something. Trump never has to say anything under oath. Saying 'Not Guilty' at an arraignment just means you are not going to plead Guilty at least at the present time. Edited June 14, 2023 by jerrymahoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedomnow Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Pretty cut-n-dry what he did. However, so did Biden and Pence....tar one, tar them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, bamnutsak said: BTW, like his dad, I forgot about Eric. Sorry. Eric DID accompany Dad to/from the courthouse. Trump rode to court with his son Eric, who accompanied the motorcade from the former president's Doral resort to the federal courthouse in Miami. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/trump-indictment-former-president-says-he-will-plead-not-guilty/R7BEVZPP2NEXBKCK6Z25ETS2WY/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said: At least in the USoA, in a criminal trial, it is the job of the prosecutor to prove the defendant did do as charged. Not that the defendant has to prove he didn't do as charged The defendant running his mouth and outright admitting his crimes is a bit of a plus for the prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Wow, that's totally taking the cookie. Why are they not up in court? Because they both self reported, cooperated in the voluntary return of the documents, did not conceal the documents from the Government, did not collude with others to conceal the documents from the Government, did not instruct their lawyers to lie to investigators, did not themselves lie to investigators, did not show the documents to people who had no right or security clearance to see the documents, didn’t obstruct the investigation. Is that clear for you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The defendant running his mouth and outright admitting his crimes is a bit of a plus for the prosecution. The only thing that counts is what a Judge allows to be said/presented in the presence of a jury. And if your "admitting his crimes" refers to the 'smoking gun' meeting as in the indictment, maybe not hang too much on that just yet. Edited June 14, 2023 by jerrymahoney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Just now, jerrymahoney said: The only thing that counts is what a Judge allows to be said/presented in the presence of a jury. Shock - why didn’t I know that?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Mist Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Posts from the same poster who has been trying to move the OP off topic have been reported and removed. Continue and face a suspension. The OP is not about anyone other than Trump. Former US President Donald Trump leaves court after NOT GUILTY plea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Shock - why didn’t I know that?! You're the one who said Trump sticking to the same verbal game plan outside of the court would be a plus for the prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 18 hours ago, bamnutsak said: Interesting that no family members accompanied the former president to his arraignment. No Melania, no Don Jr., no Ivanka, no Tiffany. I had been trying to find a decent human being in that crew since 2016, I thought it would be Tiff or Mel. Tiff comes out with a bubble-headed statement every so often, but the press is usually kind enough to play it down. Maybe the airhead thing is her protection against the Ivana kids. During the 2016 campaign I recall them being with him all the time, stalking after him in their overcoats. You might recall Mel was spurning him publicly for a while, then she stopped -- I suspect a quid pro quo was agreed upon. As for Eric being there yesterday, I imagine there was a conversation like: "Dad, can I come along?" "Only if you keep your damned mouth shut!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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