Activists Hold Rally To Pile Pressure On Polling Agency

[h90]

54 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Indeed but it is 2023 and don't forget that in the foreign press there is much more to read than censored press here in Thailand. People are not ignorant anymore.

I doubt that.....in the past the people weren't fully informed...now it is more a propaganda war and everyone is in their bubble....It is not less ignorant, it is different ignorant.

Best example is the Covid/Vaccine discussion...You have 2 groups which are both 120% sure to be in everything right and have their groups where everyone confirms the others bias. And they don't discuss much in real life anymore. That is not better, maybe even worse than the absent of information before.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

My guess is they'll write a MFP centric constitution....If they want to make it right it will be years with the public discussion and the referendum. But maybe I get a positive surprise.

Contrary to your lack of knowledge of the subject, it is a relatively quick process to amend the constitution. The Referendum Bill passed in 2021 only require 50,000 signatures from the public to initiate the amendment process. What is a MFD centric constitution? You seem to be making some aimless assumption. 

[h90]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Contrary to your lack of knowledge of the subject, it is a relatively quick process to amend the constitution. The Referendum Bill passed in 2021 only require 50,000 signatures from the public to initiate the amendment process. What is a MFD centric constitution? You seem to be making some aimless assumption. 

Alone the public discussion the information and than the public referendum needs month....and for sure some people will want changes that need to be public discussed...than we are at years.
Or do you mean the MFP just writes its own constitution without discussion and referendum? Yes that is what I worry about

[Eric Loh]

57 minutes ago, h90 said:

Alone the public discussion the information and than the public referendum needs month....and for sure some people will want changes that need to be public discussed...than we are at years.
Or do you mean the MFP just writes its own constitution without discussion and referendum? Yes that is what I worry about

Amendments only need 3 readings and the pro democracy government with the majority will pass the amendments. Key anti democratic Amendments have been focus of the opposition in Parliament for last 2 years. Amendments don’t need public discussion. What else do you want me to educate you. By the way, MFP can’t write its own constitution. That’s a silly assumption. You are trolling or baiting or both. 

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, h90 said:

I doubt that.....in the past the people weren't fully informed...now it is more a propaganda war and everyone is in their bubble....It is not less ignorant, it is different ignorant.

Best example is the Covid/Vaccine discussion...You have 2 groups which are both 120% sure to be in everything right and have their groups where everyone confirms the others bias. And they don't discuss much in real life anymore. That is not better, maybe even worse than the absent of information before.

All true. Be rest assured there is a bountiful basket of independent/alternative sources that defy the ever-vigilant establishment convention/indoctrination [that most have been dumbed down to] - such exist regardless of where one is.....as the variety is available in many forms. 

[Enoon]

4 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Who gave the EC power to do this ?   The Thai people, they voted in this constution,

This is all by design and was planned a few years ago.

Power in Thailand isn't given, it is taken. If Pita and the Pro-Democracy side want to govern, they need to start fighting back, and quickly. Leaks about the EC members and their pre-election overseas trips and perks, point out the ridiculousness of involving the Senate, discreetly organize street demos, start making public statements about how stupid the process is, etc.

Political power is an ephemeral thing as it is rarely measured, The vast majority of time, political power exists simply because people think you have it. Conversely, if people don't think you have it, you don't have it.

The Democracy Movement can't go straight to the barricades......and the rest.

 

The Old Order needs to fully de-legitimise itself first in order for the DM to move beyond the pantomime that passes for the "political process" in Thailand

 

That will only happen after the OO has, by it's own actions, convincingly put itself beyond redemption.

 

There needs to be blood.

 

Doubtless the OO will oblige......after their "civil" delaying tactics are finally exhausted and failed.

 

That is the way these things work.

 

 

 

[Enoon]

5 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Who gave the EC power to do this ?   The Thai people, they voted in this constution,

This is all by design and was planned a few years ago.

Power in Thailand isn't given, it is taken. If Pita and the Pro-Democracy side want to govern, they need to start fighting back, and quickly. Leaks about the EC members and their pre-election overseas trips and perks, point out the ridiculousness of involving the Senate, discreetly organize street demos, start making public statements about how stupid the process is, etc.

Political power is an ephemeral thing as it is rarely measured, The vast majority of time, political power exists simply because people think you have it. Conversely, if people don't think you have it, you don't have it.

Posting problem

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Enoon

[Enoon]

5 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Who gave the EC power to do this ?   The Thai people, they voted in this constution,

This is all by design and was planned a few years ago.

Power in Thailand isn't given, it is taken. If Pita and the Pro-Democracy side want to govern, they need to start fighting back, and quickly. Leaks about the EC members and their pre-election overseas trips and perks, point out the ridiculousness of involving the Senate, discreetly organize street demos, start making public statements about how stupid the process is, etc.

Political power is an ephemeral thing as it is rarely measured, The vast majority of time, political power exists simply because people think you have it. Conversely, if people don't think you have it, you don't have it.

Posting problem

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Enoon

[sidneybear]

22 hours ago, chalawaan said:

FREEDOM!

From what, exactly?

[zzaa09]

13 hours ago, h90 said:

Alone the public discussion the information and than the public referendum needs month....and for sure some people will want changes that need to be public discussed...than we are at years.
Or do you mean the MFP just writes its own constitution without discussion and referendum? Yes that is what I worry about

Yeah....isn't that what a "people's" Democracy is about. 

It works both ways.

[zzaa09]

28 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

From what, exactly? [re: FREEDOM!]

Indeed.

I've always been baffled to as the too many Farang that have long considered Thais to be brutally repressed in numerous. 

I don't know too many societies in the world that are everyday free, independent and self-sufficient as Thais might be. 

A quick and objective observation might help among the hard-wired and deluded. 

[mommysboy]

They're right. In the UK for instance if there is a change of administration, the removals truck turns up the next day.  And the new PM is holding a press conference on the doorstep of number 10 within hours.

 

Power vacuums are dangerous, as we are seeing here.  This really is an obstruction of the will of the people.  Ultimately, the country has told the Government to pack its bags- it's so unpopular and if it does force disqualification, etc, I imagine there will be big trouble.  Perhaps that's the game anyway.

[mommysboy]

5 hours ago, sidneybear said:

From what, exactly?

Agreed.

 

Except for one thing : freedom from a government they voted out!

[bannork]

Why the rich and powerful fear MF 

 

[zzaa09]

28 minutes ago, bannork said:

Why the rich and powerful fear MF 

 

A deeper inquiry that might reveal the ever present Thai enigma. 

An inquiry that is even more rhetorical than the given. 

 

 

Wiser ones will wade through the nonsense and truly comprehend the obvious reasons and whyfors without the tricky and twisting of language. 

 

[herfiehandbag]

On 6/17/2023 at 9:14 AM, h90 said:

They have 60 days time.....Kind of better they need time than having a sitting parliament and than kicking out people or parties. 60 days is not that crazy long.

Most countries manage it in no more than 72 hours, often less!

 

In fact Pita had assembled the essentials of a working coalition within less than 72 hours. Since then it has been delay and dissembling by the agencies established by and answering to the previous government, who a month after being emphatically rejected by the electorate remain in place and have no intention of going anywhere.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[h90]

22 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Most countries manage it in no more than 72 hours, often less!

 

In fact Pita had assembled the essentials of a working coalition within less than 72 hours. Since then it has been delay and dissembling by the agencies established by and answering to the previous government, who a month after being emphatically rejected by the electorate remain in place and have no intention of going anywhere.

 

 

how long is it in US presidential elections from election till getting into office? And still some claim that it was not right.

In Germany they still struggle with the 2021 election, as they endorsed the results in Berlin even everything was wrong there and now they don't know what to do.

But 60 days might be really too long. 30 days for 95% of all candidates and 40 days for the last 5% might be.

In my opinion complains about vote buying: Investigations can be started before the elections and irregularities at polling stations. Thailand has so many buerocrates. Put 2 more observer and a camera at every station. When I was official at election the system was so safe that it was impossible to make mistakes or cheat...it is not that difficult to arrange elections that doesn't need long checks afterwards.

[MikeandDow]

Do you think Payut is going to hand over anything, this caretaker goverment is going to be here for a long time, delay ,delay

[zzaa09]

5 hours ago, h90 said:

how long is it in US presidential elections from election till getting into office? And still some claim that it was not right.

In Germany they still struggle with the 2021 election, as they endorsed the results in Berlin even everything was wrong there and now they don't know what to do.

But 60 days might be really too long. 30 days for 95% of all candidates and 40 days for the last 5% might be.

In my opinion complains about vote buying: Investigations can be started before the elections and irregularities at polling stations. Thailand has so many buerocrates. Put 2 more observer and a camera at every station. When I was official at election the system was so safe that it was impossible to make mistakes or cheat...it is not that difficult to arrange elections that doesn't need long checks afterwards.

From more keen observations over years, it appears that election processes and mechanics are becoming frightfully discredited the world over, a most common practice of challenging, unsavoury political maneuvers, scandals, cheating, etc.....something seems to be amiss within the so called democratic thematic.