Hundreds of migrants rescued off Canary Islands

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At least 227 migrants were rescued off Spain's Canary Islands on Thursday, officials say, a day after reported deaths of more than 30 migrants there.

Emergency services say the Coast Guard saved the migrants travelling on inflatable boats near the Lanzarote and Gran Canaria islands in the Atlantic.

A number of them were taken to hospital to be treated for a "mild condition".

On Wednesday, two charities said more than 30 migrants may have drowned after their dinghy sank off Gran Canaria.

Spanish authorities said rescue workers found the bodies of a minor and a man, and rescued 24 other people.

However, the charities - Walking Borders and Alarm Phone - said about 60 people had been on board.

 

Helena Maleno Garzon, from Walking Borders, said 39 people had drowned, including four women and a baby, while Alarm Phone said 35 people were missing.

 

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[hotchilli]

Must have been at sea for a considerable length of time.

[glegolo18]

All this crap with africans rushing out of Africa, must be stopped. Why not have 3;doubled fleets of coastgard-boats that patrol the waters outside Africa, at the worst places.... This people should stay in their countries instead of seeking free food and housing in western countries that they anyhow hate so much...

[Cory1848]

46 minutes ago, glegolo18 said:

All this crap with africans rushing out of Africa, must be stopped. Why not have 3;doubled fleets of coastgard-boats that patrol the waters outside Africa, at the worst places.... This people should stay in their countries instead of seeking free food and housing in western countries that they anyhow hate so much...

Try putting yourself in their shoes (if they even have shoes) for a moment. You likely have sufficient resources to feed and clothe yourself and pay the rent, and the leisure to sit idly behind your computer and vent. As, to be fair, do I. By accident of birth. For most of these refugees, however, risking their necks in a flimsy boat trying to get to the Canaries, or Greece, or Lampedusa is their best option at feeding their families, of survival: the situation they are fleeing is that bad. Again, by sheer accident of birth.

 

Just as easily, you could be in their shoes, and they in yours. Grant them the right to do whatever it takes to ensure their own survival and that of their families, and acknowledge that their humanity is in common with yours.

[lungbing]

That still doesn't make us responsible for them.  Perhaps a lower birth rate and less corruption in their home countries would help.

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, glegolo18 said:

All this crap with africans rushing out of Africa, must be stopped. Why not have 3;doubled fleets of coastgard-boats that patrol the waters outside Africa, at the worst places.... This people should stay in their countries instead of seeking free food and housing in western countries that they anyhow hate so much...

well, would YOU leave your country if there would be no need to do so? I wouldn't.

Imagine: no food, no shelter, no job, no education

and pictures of wealthy people in TV, e.g. King Charles's festivals, which cost more than half a million.

e.g This family who maybe exploited your country over decades.

You might think: Why can't they help you?

You might think: Because they don't want to.

You might think: Because you are black and they aren't?

You might think: Because you are maybe Muslim and they aren't?

You might think: Because they are raci.....???

The coast guard is no help, and to build a wall around Europe will not help but support in those countries the migrants are coming from. Invest there, give them all, what I described above and nobody would leave.

It's high time to give them a liveable but not vegetating life.

To let them drown is inhuman. But help is human.

[Stargeezr]

Economic migrants, by the looks of that picture.

[Cory1848]

15 hours ago, lungbing said:

That still doesn't make us responsible for them.  Perhaps a lower birth rate and less corruption in their home countries would help.

The venality of much of African leadership is indeed criminal, but most of the population is too busy trying to put food on the table to put much thought into overthrowing their government. And I don’t know anything about family planning initiatives in Africa, but obviously more needs to be done.

 

As for responsibility, I tend to think of borders and the countries they define as purely political structures, and as such they play no part in our obligations toward each other as human beings. Practically speaking, of course, suddenly opening all borders would quickly bankrupt the Global North, but as a gradual, long-term process, it makes sense. Europe is a good model: right now, you can get in a car in Lisbon and drive all the way to Tallinn without once having to stop and pull out a passport. Thirty years ago, this would have been unthinkable, and eighty years ago it would have been a lunatic idea.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

The venality of much of African leadership is indeed criminal, but most of the population is too busy trying to put food on the table to put much thought into overthrowing their government. And I don’t know anything about family planning initiatives in Africa, but obviously more needs to be done.

 

As for responsibility, I tend to think of borders and the countries they define as purely political structures, and as such they play no part in our obligations toward each other as human beings. Practically speaking, of course, suddenly opening all borders would quickly bankrupt the Global North, but as a gradual, long-term process, it makes sense. Europe is a good model: right now, you can get in a car in Lisbon and drive all the way to Tallinn without once having to stop and pull out a passport. Thirty years ago, this would have been unthinkable, and eighty years ago it would have been a lunatic idea.

You wanna feed and house them, be my guest. Open your doors and let them use your spare room. I assume you have done so already though....

Best solution is to return them to their point of origin. Any boatload that gets through only encourages another boatload to follow.  Also, give those rescued some insentive to turn evidence against the human traffickers that are carrying them.  Grant asylum to any who can positively identify the smugglers. Then, send some specialized folks to 'take care of' the smugglers. Problem solved. 

[billd766]

14 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

well, would YOU leave your country if there would be no need to do so? I wouldn't.

Imagine: no food, no shelter, no job, no education

and pictures of wealthy people in TV, e.g. King Charles's festivals, which cost more than half a million.

e.g This family who maybe exploited your country over decades.

You might think: Why can't they help you?

You might think: Because they don't want to.

You might think: Because you are black and they aren't?

You might think: Because you are maybe Muslim and they aren't?

You might think: Because they are raci.....???

The coast guard is no help, and to build a wall around Europe will not help but support in those countries the migrants are coming from. Invest there, give them all, what I described above and nobody would leave.

It's high time to give them a liveable but not vegetating life.

To let them drown is inhuman. But help is human.

YOU might think that but many other people do not.

 

The UK government, NOT the Royal family, have the responsibility for the people of the UK.

 

For every illegal immigrant that reaches the UK, and they are all illegal as they have no visa, costs the UK government money, which means that there is less and less money available to support the people of the UK.

 

The illegals are coming from everywhere outside of the UK and the EU. If conditions in their own countries are so bad, why don't they stay there and do something about it instead of quitting and leaching off other countries.

 

 

[StayinThailand2much]

Canary Islands? Damn, I guess I'll cross them off my 'To Visit' list. With many able-bodied African men heading for Western Europe, perhaps the countries they came from are worth visiting now...

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

YOU might think that but many other people do not.

 

The UK government, NOT the Royal family, have the responsibility for the people of the UK.

 

For every illegal immigrant that reaches the UK, and they are all illegal as they have no visa, costs the UK government money, which means that there is less and less money available to support the people of the UK.

 

The illegals are coming from everywhere outside of the UK and the EU. If conditions in their own countries are so bad, why don't they stay there and do something about it instead of quitting and leaching off other countries.

 

 

It seems you don't understand my post unfortunately.

Considering that a man got a hat with stolen diamonds not even sheltering from rain, which festival cost more than half a million, spent by tax payer's money.....why there is no money to help those exploited people, exploited by the hatter in former centuries.

If you get no job, no education, and get no food or shelter.......of course you'll try it in a better world, unless the rich countries will pay their debts investing in infrastructure, in education, in development.

To change the conditions in their home country they need education, freedom (of speech) equal rights and no corruption.

I suppose you'll agree that this will not come from heaven??

With better conditions for life nobody would leave.

And one thing: not all migrants try to enter Europe because of economic reasons, there are a lot of real asylum seeker, who will have the right to stay according to Genever convention.

the 500 million would have been better spent to help African countries or Middle East.

 

[Hanaguma]

52 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

It seems you don't understand my post unfortunately.

Considering that a man got a hat with stolen diamonds not even sheltering from rain, which festival cost more than half a million, spent by tax payer's money.....why there is no money to help those exploited people, exploited by the hatter in former centuries.

If you get no job, no education, and get no food or shelter.......of course you'll try it in a better world, unless the rich countries will pay their debts investing in infrastructure, in education, in development.

To change the conditions in their home country they need education, freedom (of speech) equal rights and no corruption.

I suppose you'll agree that this will not come from heaven??

With better conditions for life nobody would leave.

And one thing: not all migrants try to enter Europe because of economic reasons, there are a lot of real asylum seeker, who will have the right to stay according to Genever convention.

the 500 million would have been better spent to help African countries or Middle East.

 

Could you make that a bit more specific? Who exactly owes what to whom? If you want to talk reparations then you need to be very exact about the amount, the recipient, and the payer. Assume the illegals come from a former French or Belgian colony- what exactly does the British taxpayer owe them? 

If these people had so much of nothing, then how did they manage to pay a human smuggler to get them on a boat...

[billd766]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

It seems you don't understand my post unfortunately.

Considering that a man got a hat with stolen diamonds not even sheltering from rain, which festival cost more than half a million, spent by tax payer's money.....why there is no money to help those exploited people, exploited by the hatter in former centuries.

If you get no job, no education, and get no food or shelter.......of course you'll try it in a better world, unless the rich countries will pay their debts investing in infrastructure, in education, in development.

To change the conditions in their home country they need education, freedom (of speech) equal rights and no corruption.

I suppose you'll agree that this will not come from heaven??

With better conditions for life nobody would leave.

And one thing: not all migrants try to enter Europe because of economic reasons, there are a lot of real asylum seeker, who will have the right to stay according to Genever convention.

the 500 million would have been better spent to help African countries or Middle East.

 

You are correct.

 

I don't understand your post at all.

 

Why should the west be responsible for all the immigrants looking for a better life in another country.

 

Taking in immigrants in such vast quantities degrades the ability of western countries to look after their own people.

 

Should the Brits go to Italy and claim that they were persecuted by the Romans and made into slaves, or to go to the Viking countries, or the Angles, Saxons, Normans countries etc and claim asylum?

 

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

 

There are many people in the UK who are homeless and use food banks?

Why should they be denied food and accommodation just to aid illegal immigrants with no connection to the UK?

 

When the UK (as an example) can afford to feed and house ALL of its citizens and find jobs for them all, and there is a surplus left available, then consider allowing legai visa applicants into the west.

 

Out of curiosity where do these illegals get the money from to get onto the boats in the first place?

 

Who will pay their debts,  because a trip on a boat to the lands of milk and honey are not free. The families that they left behind? 

 

Or do you expect the western government to pay that bill as well?

 

quote from your post

 

"If you get no job, no education, and get no food or shelter.......of course you'll try it in a better world, unless the rich countries will pay their debts investing in infrastructure, in education, in development.?

 

There are many people in western countries with no jobs, poor education, no food or shelter.

 

Why should they be sidelined because illegal immigrants WANT to come to the west where everything is free, where they are given somewhere to live, food is supplied and "free" money is given to them?

Edited June 25, 2023 by billd766
added extra text

[Chomper Higgot]

I suggest the usual suspects quell their rage against migrants and save some of their rage energy for the future.

 

Climate change is going to drive a lot more human migration, don’t burn yourself out too early, you’ve got a lot more migration to be outraged over on the way.

 

[newbee2022]

42 minutes ago, billd766 said:

where they are given somewhere to live, food is supplied and "free" money is given to them?

well, give them education, give them a job and make them tax payers. Easy as that.

[newbee2022]

45 minutes ago, billd766 said:

There are many people in the UK who are homeless and use food banks?

Why should they be denied food and accommodation

A good opportunity to spend the 500.000 for them. Did this happen? No!

So you let your own people starve just to give that man a new hat? Silly!

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Could you make that a bit more specific? Who exactly owes what to whom? If you want to talk reparations then you need to be very exact about the amount, the recipient, and the payer. Assume the illegals come from a former French or Belgian colony- what exactly does the British taxpayer owe them? 

If these people had so much of nothing, then how did they manage to pay a human smuggler to get them on a boat...

Don't play the innocent. You now better how rich people including the King and cronies in UK earned their wealth. Many by trading, yes. But trading slaves.!

[billd766]

11 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

well, give them education, give them a job and make them tax payers. Easy as that.

I like the way that you say 

 

quote "well, give them education".

 

If only it was that simple.

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

A good opportunity to spend the 500.000 for them. Did this happen? No!

So you let your own people starve just to give that man a new hat? Silly!

You said that and not me.

 

Please do NOT put your words into my mouth. I put my own words there.

Now who do you give the free (it isn't) education to?

 

The citizens of the country or the illegal immigrants.

 

Where will all this money come from?

 

From what I have read recently, the UK alone is struggling to feed and house its own citizens, (I suspect that many countries in the EU are in a similar position), so why should they suffer so that illegal immigrants can have an easier life than where they came from?

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by billd766
corrected some bad spelling

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Don't play the innocent. You now better how rich people including the King and cronies in UK earned their wealth. Many by trading, yes. But trading slaves.!

BS

[Mr Derek]

This little thread encapsulates the entire problem: its the bleeding hearts, the guilt-ridden, and the anti-whites - in other words, those thinking with their emotions - versus reason and common sense. 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

This little thread encapsulates the entire problem: its the bleeding hearts, the guilt-ridden, and the anti-whites - in other words, those thinking with their emotions - versus reason and common sense. 

Oh look another one of those accusation confession things.

[James105]

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suggest the usual suspects quell their rage against migrants and save some of their rage energy for the future.

 

Climate change is going to drive a lot more human migration, don’t burn yourself out too early, you’ve got a lot more migration to be outraged over on the way.

 

The population in Africa currently is 1.4 billion and is expected to increase to 2.5 billion by 2050.   Considering the problems that Africa currently has with poverty, adding an extra 1.1 billion people into the mix is going to cause a lot more poverty and drive human migration.   So unless climate change is responsible for such a population increase I really don't think that will be the major cause of increased illegal migration.   

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, James105 said:

The population in Africa currently is 1.4 billion and is expected to increase to 2.5 billion by 2050.   Considering the problems that Africa currently has with poverty, adding an extra 1.1 billion people into the mix is going to cause a lot more poverty and drive human migration.   So unless climate change is responsible for such a population increase I really don't think that will be the major cause of increased illegal migration.   

Ah, so you don’t understand how climate change might impact the supply of food for populations of any size.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Don't play the innocent. You now better how rich people including the King and cronies in UK earned their wealth. Many by trading, yes. But trading slaves.!

Again with the blanket assertions.  Dates, times, numbers, or else it is all just puffery.

You might also consider the steps the Royal Navy took to END the slave trade, and the thousands of British sailors who died in the attempt.  

[James105]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah, so you don’t understand how climate change might impact the supply of food for populations of any size.

 

It's not just a "population of any size" though is it and I am not sure you appreciate the scale of the increase.  That is the equivalent of every single human currently living in the whole of Europe plus the entire population of the USA added to the 1.4 billion already living there. 

 

There is a crisis coming, but that would be due to the unsustainable population increase if nothing is done to address it.   Considering the impact that each human is said to have on the climate I'm surprised Greta hasn't mentioned it.   

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

It's not just a "population of any size" though is it and I am not sure you appreciate the scale of the increase.  That is the equivalent of every single human currently living in the whole of Europe plus the entire population of the USA added to the 1.4 billion already living there. 

 

There is a crisis coming, but that would be due to the unsustainable population increase if nothing is done to address it.   Considering the impact that each human is said to have on the climate I'm surprised Greta hasn't mentioned it.   

It’s a forecast, with no reference to where you dragged it out of.

 

Oh and I see your Greta fixation got the better of you.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[James105]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a forecast, with no reference to where you dragged it out of.

 

Oh and I see your Greta fixation got the better of you.

 

 

Should you actually wish to take your head out of the sand and see the data you can get it here.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/africa-population/

 

The predictions are based on historical percentage increases, so unless something fundamentally changes then by 2050 Africa will have added the equivalent of the population of Europe and the USA to its numbers.      An impossible number to feed and provide a good quality of life for in a region that has historically suffered from droughts and poverty before climate change became a thing.    

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

Should you actually wish to take your head out of the sand and see the data you can get it here.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/africa-population/

 

The predictions are based on historical percentage increases, so unless something fundamentally changes then by 2050 Africa will have added the equivalent of the population of Europe and the USA to its numbers.      An impossible number to feed and provide a good quality of life for in a region that has historically suffered from droughts and poverty before climate change became a thing.    

I see you are not disputing my argument that climate change will increase migration.