Barriers to transgender people accessing Thailand’s healthcare system

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A trans man attracted to men.

In other words born female transitioning to male attracted to males.

I knew that, but what might the proper lingo be, that's what the topic is. 

 

When they are admitted to the hospital, what gender should be used? 

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So gay men aren't purely men?!?

In the same way that a trans man is purely a man? 

 

If one is a man, why must it be prefaced with something?

 

If you're a man, just call yourself a man and be done with it. Why should you being gay make any difference to me?

[BangkokReady]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If one is a man, why must it be prefaced with something?

Trans people need a prefix, so seeing non-trans people without a prefix makes them feel bad.

 

It's quite trendy to view straight White men as being some kind of evil supervillain these days, so any opportunity to deride them in some way cannot be resisted.

[KhunLA]

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A trans man attracted to men.

In other words born female transitioning to male attracted to males.

Sounds a bit straight to me.  Female at birth attracted to males.

 

Simply enjoys crossdressing.

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Sounds a bit straight to me.  Female at birth attracted to males.

 

Simply enjoys crossdressing.

Wait until you find out about "trans lesbians".

[Yellowtail]

17 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Wait until you find out about "trans lesbians".

I remember the pickup line: "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body." 

[Yellowtail]

I am still trying to figure out how the patient is not best served when they are identified by the sex they were born into. 

[scottiejohn]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I am still trying to figure out how the patient is not best served when they are identified by the sex they were born into. 

This whole thing is just an excuse for the letter brigade to cry "we are being victimised"!

If they would just shut up and get on with their lives among whichever letter group they want to mix with and leave the rest of us in peace the better!

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

This whole thing is just an excuse for the letter brigade to cry "we are being victimised"!

If they would just shut up and get on with their lives among whichever letter group they want to mix with and leave the rest of us in peace the better!

What they want is free "gender affirming care" i.e. mutilation. 

 

Remember when it was all about not being a choice? That's how it was sold. Now it's all about having others pay for them to choose.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Sounds a bit straight to me.  Female at birth attracted to males.

 

Simply enjoys crossdressing.

Cross dressing is cross dressing. 

Transgender is transgender.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What they want is free "gender affirming care" i.e. mutilation. 

 

Remember when it was all about not being a choice? That's how it was sold. Now it's all about having others pay for them to choose.

They.

All the same.

That's the ticket. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

In the same way that a trans man is purely a man? 

 

If one is a man, why must it be prefaced with something?

 

If you're a man, just call yourself a man and be done with it. Why should you being gay make any difference to me?

Same reason people say straight men.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I knew that, but what might the proper lingo be, that's what the topic is. 

 

When they are admitted to the hospital, what gender should be used? 

Trans man.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Note the word "straight" as apposed to one of your letters!

Of course.

Straight men.

Gay men.

Both are men.

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Now it's all about having others pay for them to choose.

And ramming their "look at me I'm special/differently lettered!

Why can't they stay amongst their own crowd and leave the majority of the world in peace?

 

 

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

And ramming their "look at me I'm special/differently lettered!

Why can't they stay amongst their own crowd and leave the majority of the world in peace?

 

 

Segregation?

[CG1 Blue]

On 6/28/2023 at 11:18 AM, Jingthing said:

These people. 

These people who want straight men and straight women to adopt a pointless and unnecessary word (cisgender). That's what I assumed when he said 'these people'.

What did you assume?  

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

These people who want straight men and straight women to adopt a pointless and unnecessary word (cisgender). That's what I assumed when he said 'these people'.

What did you assume?  

Cisgender is about gender identity not sexual orientation. 

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

These people who want straight men and straight women to adopt a pointless and unnecessary word (cisgender). That's what I assumed when he said 'these people'.

What did you assume?  

They have never properly explained why they invented the new word(s) or letters or why people who object to and/or hate those words/letters/descriptions are expected to just accept them.

 

Why cant they just use their terminology amongst themselves and leave us out of it?

 

As far as I am concerned they can stick their "Cis" type words and letters etc back in the closet where they should never have been allowed to escape from. 

 

They can do what they want as far as I am concerned, call themselves what they want, but don't call me by their derogatory and insulting terminology!

 

No wonder people are now creating barriers against them, (as I think the OP was about?) especially the way they are repeating their tirades on here!

 

 

[scottiejohn]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Cisgender is about gender identity not sexual orientation. 

You are just trolling now!

Why can't you just stop using the word?

Get back onto the OP!

Edited June 29, 2023 by scottiejohn

[scottiejohn]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by scottiejohn

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Same reason people say straight men.

Are you not able to answer the questions? 

 

 

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Are you not able to answer the questions? 

 

 

That was an answer.

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

They have never properly explained why they invented the new word(s) or letters or why people who object to and/or hate those words/letters/descriptions are expected to just accept them.

 

Why cant they just use their terminology amongst themselves and leave us out of it?

 

As far as I am concerned they can stick their "Cis" type words and letters etc back in the closet where they should never have been allowed to escape from. 

 

They can do what they want as far as I am concerned, call themselves what they want, but don't call me by their derogatory and insulting terminology!

 

No wonder people are now creating barriers against them, (as I think the OP was about?) especially the way they are repeating their tirades on here!

 

 

There is nothing derogatory about the word cisgender. It is a neutral descriptive scientific word.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

That was an answer.

Perhaps, but not to anything I asked. 

 

If you don't know why not just say you don't know, no shame in that. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Perhaps, but not to anything I asked. 

 

If you don't know why not just say you don't know, no shame in that. 

It did answer your question.

I'm not in control of other people's comprehension competence.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Cisgender is about gender identity not sexual orientation. 

Not true. Just because someone is gay, does not mean they are trans. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Not true. Just because someone is gay, does not mean they are trans. 

Who said it meant that? Not me. The vast majority of people gay and straight are cisgender. 

[Jingthing]

Cisgender means not transgender and is not in any conceivable way a slur.

But this has made me wonder is there a word that means not transgender that IS a slur?

If so, I do not know it.

If you know such a word, please post it.

There is at least one slur word for straight and many many slur words for gay.

But we're talking about gender identity here, not sexual orientation. 

This discussion made me think of the word goy vs. gentile which both mean non-Jew.

Goy, unfortunately can be taken as derogatory. But gentile cannot.

Cisgender meaning not transgender is equivalent to gentile meaning non-Jew.

I hear hysterical reactions claiming cisgender is a slur. It absolutely 100 percent is not and those reacting that it is may be advised to look at themselves and why they think such an objectively FALSE thing. 

 

Is 'goy' a slur? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency (jta.org)

Edited June 29, 2023 by Jingthing

[CG1 Blue]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Cisgender means not transgender and is not in any conceivable way a slur.

But this has made me wonder is there a word that means not transgender that IS a slur?

If so, I do not know it.

If you know such a word, please post it.

There is at least one slur word for straight and many many slur words for gay.

But we're talking about gender identity here, not sexual orientation. 

This discussion made me think of the word goy vs. gentile which both mean non-Jew.

Goy, unfortunately can be taken as derogatory. But gentile cannot.

Cisgender meaning not transgender is equivalent to gentile meaning non-Jew.

I hear hysterical reactions claiming cisgender is a slur. It absolutely 100 percent is not and those reacting that it is may be advised to look at themselves and why they think such an objectively FALSE thing. 

 

Is 'goy' a slur? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency (jta.org)

But there are already words for non-Transgender people. Men and Women.

 

Can you please explain why we should not just call them men and women?