Pheu Thai may face a terrible dilemma as outgoing government parties still aim for power in PM vote

[billd766]

41 minutes ago, h90 said:

the senats are a nonsense but the can not block much, they can only bend a little bit.

They aren't a single block

They can't block an overwhelming vote of 376 MPs

They can't install a PM who has less than 250 votes in Parliament (because he can't govern without majority).

So it is only that they have some influence.

 

But they are 250 unelected people and can certainly (added with others) block Pita's bid to become PM.

 

Remember he needs a total of 376 votes free and clear to become the PM with an overall majority, and he simply has NOT got them, without I believe 64 senator votes.

 

The senators will talk many things but in the end they will do as they are told and not necessarily what is right.

 

Also they cannot simply be sacked unless the incoming government tears up the 2017 constitution and writes another one as every coup government has done for decades.

[bannork]

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But they are 250 unelected people and can certainly (added with others) block Pita's bid to become PM.

 

Remember he needs a total of 376 votes free and clear to become the PM with an overall majority, and he simply has NOT got them, without I believe 64 senator votes.

 

The senators will talk many things but in the end they will do as they are told and not necessarily what is right.

 

Also they cannot simply be sacked unless the incoming government tears up the 2017 constitution and writes another one as every coup government has done for decades.

Some MPs in the junta block may vote for Pita. The Democrats with their new leader on the 9th, for example 

[h90]

34 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But they are 250 unelected people and can certainly (added with others) block Pita's bid to become PM.

 

Remember he needs a total of 376 votes free and clear to become the PM with an overall majority, and he simply has NOT got them, without I believe 64 senator votes.

 

The senators will talk many things but in the end they will do as they are told and not necessarily what is right.

 

Also they cannot simply be sacked unless the incoming government tears up the 2017 constitution and writes another one as every coup government has done for decades.

yes you are most probably right, but Pita is not the only possible democratic elected PM. Other persons will also have a majority of MPs.

That solution with the senators is pretty bad, but not that much undemocratic as people say.

I don't know how the new selection of them, when they expire will happen..

[h90]

35 minutes ago, bannork said:

Some MPs in the junta block may vote for Pita. The Democrats with their new leader on the 9th, for example 

Do you think the Democrats will vote for Pita? That won't go down well with the last few supporters.

[Almer]

4 hours ago, pegman said:

You're not paying attention. It is not solely M.P.'s that select the Prime Minister. It is them plus 250. appointed Senators. 

What would the titles of said Senators be, 

Doctors, solicitors, or General Captain, or the like? 

[MikeandDow]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

yes you are most probably right, but Pita is not the only possible democratic elected PM. Other persons will also have a majority of MPs.

That solution with the senators is pretty bad, but not that much undemocratic as people say.

I don't know how the new selection of them, when they expire will happen..

never heard of partly undemocratic ???      to me its Undemocratic or Democratic NOT Partly  thats a stupid statment

[h90]

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

never heard of partly undemocratic ???      to me its Undemocratic or Democratic NOT Partly  thats a stupid statment

How would you call it?

The MPs vote with an majority >250 MPs for a prime minister. All the MPs are democratically elected....sounds democratic, right?

But without the Senators they MAYBE (as no one know what game PTP would have played if there are no Senators which they can blame) would have voted for another person.

 

How you call it? It is not undemocratic but it is also not complete clean.

[spidermike007]

Go, Pita, go. We are behind you, proud of you and trust in you. You are giving us real hope, for a change. Let us hope these greedy, toxic, moronic, backwards, incapable nitwits get the message, and back down. If they do not, if they use the EC, the courts, or their power to prevent Pita from becoming PM, it could result in real disaster. It could be the end of the Thai army as we know it. If they order the soldiers to put down the protests, there could be a mutiny much worse than we are seeing in Burma, where tens of thousands have defected already.

[zzaa09]

54 minutes ago, h90 said:

How would you call it?

The MPs vote with an majority >250 MPs for a prime minister. All the MPs are democratically elected....sounds democratic, right?

But without the Senators they MAYBE (as no one know what game PTP would have played if there are no Senators which they can blame) would have voted for another person.

 

How you call it? It is not undemocratic but it is also not complete clean.

Instead of mincing semantics, we just as well refer to it as it really is: Plutocracy/Oligarchy. 

The practice and status the world over.

 

Full Democracy.

Partial Democracy.

Whatever. 

[bannork]

3 hours ago, h90 said:

Do you think the Democrats will vote for Pita? That won't go down well with the last few supporters.

I think there's a very good chance they will because the two candidates who might contest the leadership election this Sunday both support Pita as PM.

Alongkorn is certainly standing and Abhisit might. 

The possible contender from the south, Decha-It Khaotong, is now mulling the Secretary General post apparently, before bidding for leadership in the future