In the past few days, the Biden administration admitted that the People’s Republic of China had reactivated the Soviet Union’s old Cold War intelligence post at Lourdes, in Cuba. This revelation was soon followed by an even bigger concern: 

China is in talks with Cuba to stand up a military training facility within 100 miles of Florida. 

So, what is China doing in Cuba? Are these actions routine, or might China be planning something larger? Something that might pose a significant national security threat to America?

The spy base at Lourdes on the north coast of Cuba, 93 miles south of Key West, has a long history. It operated for 40 years, from 1962 until 2002 when the nearly bankrupt Russian Federation could no longer afford to pay Cuba the $200 million a year in rent, nor keep the more than 1,500 intelligence specialists on the island.

 

CHINA AND CUBA PARTNERSHIP A MAJOR THREAT RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD

 

In 2014, shortly after Russia seized Crimea and the Donbas region from Ukraine, there were reports that the Russians were looking to reopen the vast, but partially demolished facility. 

 

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Send nuclear arms to Taiwan, point them at Bejing, show these communist clowns that you mean business, Joe!

Good strategy by China.

US loads up Taiwan, so China loads up Cuba

Tit for tat

1 hour ago, Social Media said:

So, what is China doing in Cuba?

So, why is the US in places all over the world.

Bears keeping an eye on it sounds like conjecture of fake Fox News part

1 hour ago, Emdog said:

Good strategy by China.

US loads up Taiwan, so China loads up Cuba

Tit for tat

Exactly. No different from what the US has been doing for decades.

China is up to no good all over the world. They represent the greatest threat to our well being and our future. If they ever gained control of the world, would you want to be a victim of their organ harvesting programs? Or end up in a concentration camp, because you said something critical of them? 

 

No thanks. Xi is a great threat to us, as is the heinous CCP. 

 

Nice lipstick, President Xi

Sounds like the Cuban Missile Crisis, the China version.

 

A post calling the OP fake news has been removed.

This is great news for the US. 

54 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

China is up to no good all over the world. They represent the greatest threat to our well being and our future. If they ever gained control of the world, would you want to be a victim of their organ harvesting programs? Or end up in a concentration camp, because you said something critical of them? 

 

No thanks. Xi is a great threat to us, as is the heinous CCP. 

America and China, two school yard bullies squaring up.

Both as bad as each other.

23 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

America and China, two school yard bullies squaring up.

Both as bad as each other.

Hmmm, only since all the CS European countries given the what-for. 

Nowadays, satellites and the Internet are probably the most efficient ways to spy on a foreign country. Is a presence in Cuba really useful to China, or is it rather a symbolic move?

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Nowadays, satellites and the Internet are probably the most efficient ways to spy on a foreign country. Is a presence in Cuba really useful to China, or is it rather a symbolic move?

You can't send people and weapons through satellites or over the internet.

 

China has what, 300,000 university students that have to register with the PLA? 

 

China investing in US companies and buying up farmland. 

 

Wide open US southern border. 

 

It's all good. 

 

 

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it's not a threat to me. 

23 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

it's not a threat to me. 

yet

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

it's not a threat to me. 

I hope that comment never comes back to bite us all!

Wouldn't it be good if America also had an outpost on Cuba just like China?

They could call it Guano or Guantanamo for instance.

. 

9 hours ago, 2baht said:

Send nuclear arms to Taiwan, point them at Bejing, show these communist clowns that you mean business, Joe!

A clown's simple view of the world

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You can't send people and weapons through satellites or over the internet.

 

China has what, 300,000 university students that have to register with the PLA? 

 

China investing in US companies and buying up farmland. 

 

Wide open US southern border. 

 

It's all good. 

 

 

And what would China do? Invade the U.S.?

Western companies have been investing in China for years (incl. Trump). Why shouldn't the Chinese invest in Western countries?

And the wide open borders is right-wing propaganda B.S.

32 minutes ago, ujayujay said:

A clown's simple view of the world

I agree as I thought clowns were meant to be humorous, not stupid simpletons!

6 minutes ago, candide said:

And what would China do? Invade the U.S.?

Western companies have been investing in China for years (incl. Trump). Why shouldn't the Chinese invest in Western countries?

And the wide open borders is right-wing propaganda B.S.

I said it was all good, didn't I? 

 

You're right, that was faux news, I just checked CNN and immigration is at an all-time low, my bad. 

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

America and China, two school yard bullies squaring up.

Both as bad as each other.

Nah. America is very greedy and dominant. No doubt. But, when was the last time they claimed an entire sea for themselves? Think about what China is doing with the South China Sea. 

 

When was the last time the US government engaged in something as heinous as harvesting the organs of dissidents? Or religious minorities? How many are serving prison terms for being critical of govt. policy? 

 

There is bad. And then there is heinous and dangerous. And the enemy hopes you equate the two. 

 

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. Thomas Sowell.

 

Every people, every society, needs a culture of resistance, a culture of being difficult and disobedient, that is the only way they will ever be able to stand up to the inevitable abuse of power by whoever runs the state apparatus, the capitalists, the communists, the socialists, the Gandhians, whoever. Arundhati Roy

 

We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me. George Orwell, 1984.

 

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2 hours ago, candide said:

Nowadays, satellites and the Internet are probably the most efficient ways to spy on a foreign country. Is a presence in Cuba really useful to China, or is it rather a symbolic move?

You haven't forgotten about balloons have you?

Over 50 years of belligerent animosity from the US towards Cuba (Cuba not too friendly with the US either but a flea in comparison as far as harm of annoyance can be considered) . Unending, brutal US  sanctions don't help detente and the fostering of healing dialogue and kindness.

 

Yah move around the globe doing such stuff and ya get what ya sow (and no the US is not alone in such ethnocentric hegemony).

 

Here's a novel idea for the politicians in the US grow some balls and let go of the BS hatred of Cuba and be friends.

 

I had a sort of a dream last night, and no there was no moisture involved!

 

It was something about how the rise of China and the power movement in the world cannot be let go of because the capitalist structures of the world cannot allow 'true' cooperation enlarge.

To survive it needs control and dominance not egalitarian sharing of the world resources and the ending of nationalistic 'us and them' posture and thinking ... 

... (my dream in an abridged version). 

That dissected body displayed in the movie Quantum of Solace was that of a murdered Chinese dissident.

 

Think about that!

I think, China is as bad as USA. They developed themselves in a awful way.

China puts people in reforming camps, USA just do the same by sanctions.

Both are just destroying. Hopeless bunch of people on top.

China truly is working on its world influence. 

https://eng.yidaiyilu.gov.cn/p/0T4ND13J.html

 

And then there are the projects in Africa and South America.

When Evo Morales was elected president of Bolivia within one week Beijing sent an airliner to fetch him to meet da boss.  He was not inaugurated yet.  I was in South America at the time, the story was covered all over SA media, including CNN en Espanol.  I did not see it mentioned in media sources from outside the continent. 

I've long suspected the South China Sea would be the theatre for a war between the US and China.  Even Obama, in a SOTU, briefly hinted at this.

 

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Nah. America is very greedy and dominant. No doubt. But, when was the last time they claimed an entire sea for themselves? Think about what China is doing with the South China Sea. 

 

When was the last time the US government engaged in something as heinous as harvesting the organs of dissidents? Or religious minorities? How many are serving prison terms for being critical of govt. policy? 

 

There is bad. And then there is heinous and dangerous. And the enemy hopes you equate the two. 

 

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. Thomas Sowell.

 

Every people, every society, needs a culture of resistance, a culture of being difficult and disobedient, that is the only way they will ever be able to stand up to the inevitable abuse of power by whoever runs the state apparatus, the capitalists, the communists, the socialists, the Gandhians, whoever. Arundhati Roy

 

We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me. George Orwell, 1984.

 

Do you really have so much time on your hands? I envy you. That China does despicable things is true, and I would have added the plight of the Uighurs to your list, but if one were to list the despicable things done by USA (as well as by other governments around the world) I doubt the list would be much shorter.

But your post is completely out of context. The OP argues that China is a threat to us all by installing a spy station in Cuba. Ever heard of Guantanamo?