MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN found to still endorse Move Forward leader/prime minister-designate Pita Limjaroenrat’s attempted rise to power, no matter how many rounds of voting in his support from legislators it could possibly take.

 

According to the latest NIDA Poll conducted between July 11 and July 12 with a total of 1,310 people from all walks of life and all regions of the country, 43.21% of the respondents prefer Pita be eventually voted prime minister regardless of how many rounds of voting in joint House/Senate sessions it could possibly take.

 

That compared to 20.69% of the respondents who prefer Pita only be given a few rounds of voting in case that he may have failed to get enough yea votes in the first round. The Move Forward leader did fail at the first go in last Thursday’s joint House/Senate meeting.

 

By Thai Newsroom Reporters

Picture: Move Forward leader/ prime minister-designate Pita Limjaroenrat at Parliament last Thursday. Photo: Matichon

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2023/07/16/most-people-still-prefer-pita-for-pm-regardless-of-how-long-it-takes-nida-poll/

 

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4 minutes ago, webfact said:

MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN found to still endorse Move Forward leader/prime minister-designate Pita Limjaroenrat

Doesn't matter. Obviously the people that really run the country do not endorse him.

DEmocracy, is most votes, most people... something else than 250 appointed senators.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

MOST PEOPLE

The army elected senate is endorsing your irrelevance!

3 hours ago, webfact said:

MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN found to still endorse Move Forward leader/prime minister-designate Pita Limjaroenrat’s attempted rise to power, no matter how many rounds of voting in his support from legislators it could possibly take.

What most people prefer means diddly squat in the land of bought senators.

27% vote for him and 43% want to see him as PM no matter how long it need and 20% want him try only a few times.

I would really want to see the exact Data of that unbelievable poll

Solution - every party nominates a candidate for PM.

 

Every round one is voted out.

 

Last man standing wins.

 

This would mean the opposition (non military appointed senators)  having to either vote him in or vote for another military government, thereby getting the wrath if the thai public

One round of voting was enough, and he wasn't even close to being PM ...

... move on, stop wasting time.

2 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

DEmocracy, is most votes, most people... something else than 250 appointed senators.

That is proportional representation. However, a lot of democratic countries have 'first past the post' systems where the country is divided into constituencies in which the winner is the one with the most votes. That can bring a result where a majority of the population votes for one party, yet do not win the election. Such systems can be found in the US and UK and in both cases in recent years, the party with fewer votes have won power. Still democratic though.

17 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Solution - every party nominates a candidate for PM.

 

Every round one is voted out.

 

Last man standing wins.

 

This would mean the opposition (non military appointed senators)  having to either vote him in or vote for another military government, thereby getting the wrath if the thai public

doesn't work because a PM needs the majority of MPs to be able to govern. So thanks to the stupid constitution it would be possible to have a PM that has most senators but a minority of MPs.

I am sure there will be a PM soon. PTP just helps to dismantle Pita by pretending to help him. When he is finished they find a solution together with BJ, either with or without MFP.

But first they try to make him loose face and being laughed at so they look like reasonable people in compare.

12 minutes ago, mrfill said:

That is proportional representation. However, a lot of democratic countries have 'first past the post' systems where the country is divided into constituencies in which the winner is the one with the most votes. That can bring a result where a majority of the population votes for one party, yet do not win the election. Such systems can be found in the US and UK and in both cases in recent years, the party with fewer votes have won power. Still democratic though.

Or that the second and third party form a government pushing the first into opposition.

The cause of this huge discrepancy between electoral results and the current standoff is a Constitution with an unelected Senate, both of which were installed by a military coup.  The root cause of this can perhaps, at least in part, be traced back to the Thai historical traditional cultural acceptance of Patronage (with the monarchy at the root of that).

 

When will the Thai public finally recognize what is holding them back, move into the modern world culturally, and stand up against such an absurdity? 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

One round of voting was enough, and he wasn't even close to being PM ...

... move on, stop wasting time.

Not the point, is it!

24 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Not the point, is it!

That is the point, he's not going to be PM, so stop wasting time.  He's not going to be PM, no matter how long it take, a waste time.

 

No need for a 2nd or 3rd round of voting.

 

 

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

What most people prefer means diddly squat in the land of bought senators.

Going to be interesting to see who is appointed as the new senate takes effect in May.  PT and MFP will be selecting them as it stands right now

I'm not convinced that "most people" get what the problem is, if they really think that all it takes is more rounds of voting.

 

I'd daresay that if a recalcitrant senator couldn't be convinced to vote for Pita in the first round, he will be very unlikely to change his mind at this point. The BJT party also clearly seems to embrace their "mission", so where will the required extra votes come from?

 

Edited July 17, 20233 yr by Caldera

2 hours ago, Caldera said:

I'm not convinced that "most people" get what the problem is, if they really think that all it takes is more rounds of voting.

 

I'd daresay that if a recalcitrant senator couldn't be convinced to vote for Pita in the first round, he will be very unlikely to change his mind at this point. The BJT party also clearly seems to embrace their "mission", so where will the required extra votes come from?

 

Seems to me that, because it's an open spoken vote in front of all in attendance very few of the senators will give him their vote. They would get 'punished' in some way by their military brothers.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That is the point, he's not going to be PM, so stop wasting time.  He's not going to be PM, no matter how long it take, a waste time.

 

No need for a 2nd or 3rd round of voting.

 

 

However his followers (there's many) have every right to keep pushing and being seen to push. 

8 minutes ago, scorecard said:

However his followers (there's many) have every right to keep pushing and being seen to push. 

Yea, that will change things, more talking ????   Want change, do something different.

 

Pull a Walesa, nationwide strike until the Senate is dissolved, and Constitution withdrawn.

 

Anything else, keep banging your head against the wall.

9 hours ago, webfact said:

MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN found to still endorse Move Forward leader/prime minister-designate Pita Limjaroenrat’s attempted rise to power, no matter how many rounds of voting in his support from legislators it could possibly take.

Was Thaksin a choice in the poll?

I'm thinking not!

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That is the point, he's not going to be PM, so stop wasting time.  He's not going to be PM, no matter how long it take, a waste time.

 

No need for a 2nd or 3rd round of voting.

 

 

Not true - they could keep voting until next May when the senators will be removed. There is no limit on how many times the PM can be voted for.

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Solution - every party nominates a candidate for PM.

 

Every round one is voted out.

 

Last man standing wins.

 

This would mean the opposition (non military appointed senators)  having to either vote him in or vote for another military government, thereby getting the wrath if the thai public

They already have that in spades.

3 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Going to be interesting to see who is appointed as the new senate takes effect in May.  PT and MFP will be selecting them as it stands right now

But if that's true maybe (hopefully) the new MFP / PTP gov't will quickly enact changes to the laws re:

 

- selection of senators (hopefully by voting) and remove any process which automatically favors / appointment of  military/police/retired nilitary of police. 

- remove their right to participate in the selection of the PM.

 

Edited July 17, 20233 yr by scorecard

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

But if that's true maybe (hopefully) the new MFP / PTP gov't will quickly enact changes to the laws re:

 

- selection of senators (hopefully by voting) and remove any process which automatically favors / appointment of  military/police/retired nilitary of police. 

- remove their right to participate in the selection of the PM.

 

Believe it or not the constitution lays out that the senate will be formed by representatives elected from each Changwat.

 

As to the right to participate in the election of the PM that would take an amendment to the constitution which with the PT and MFP majority should not be difficult.

Looks like most people want to get what they voted for not a well rounded Rolex wearing toad as a booby prize ????

37 minutes ago, scorecard said:

But if that's true maybe (hopefully) the new MFP / PTP gov't will quickly enact changes to the laws re:

 

- selection of senators (hopefully by voting) and remove any process which automatically favors / appointment of  military/police/retired nilitary of police. 

- remove their right to participate in the selection of the PM.

 

 

20 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Believe it or not the constitution lays out that the senate will be formed by representatives elected from each Changwat.

 

As to the right to participate in the election of the PM that would take an amendment to the constitution which with the PT and MFP majority should not be difficult.

If the new PM is Prawit, with the requisite non-8-party-coalition MPs and 250 senate votes, the first item on the Prawit government agenda is surely to change the constitution to allow the senate to be "appointed" ad infinitum, and always to be a full participant in the choice of PM.

Anyone but the stegosaurus Prawit. Justin Beiber would be preferable. Anyone. Any warm body, besides that lathargic, incapable louse.

23 minutes ago, samtam said:

 

If the new PM is Prawit, with the requisite non-8-party-coalition MPs and 250 senate votes, the first item on the Prawit government agenda is surely to change the constitution to allow the senate to be "appointed" ad infinitum, and always to be a full participant in the choice of PM.

The senate should NEVER be permitted any choice in the PM. They should also be elected by the Thai people, and NOT appointed by the military.

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That is the point, he's not going to be PM, so stop wasting time.  He's not going to be PM, no matter how long it take, a waste time.

 

No need for a 2nd or 3rd round of voting.

 

 

In the face of oppression, one should just quit?

 

Could you imagine what America would be like if they had thought, well, the British won't let us be an independent country, let's just forget all this tea party nonsense and pay our taxes to the Queen. 

 

Pointing out the ridiculousness of the senators actions, and the idiocy of having an undemocratic system is the entire point. They should keep on voting until they listen to the will of the people. 

22 hours ago, KhunLA said:

No need for a 2nd or 3rd round of voting.

Going through the motions.... I would rather they did that than appoint an old guard guy. A second round of voting might create a reaction that foments change.