Why section 272 is becoming a new focus

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The Move Forward Party has shifted its focus to the amendment of Section 272 of the constitution, to exclude senators from the prime minister voting process, after leader of the party, Pita Limjaroenrat, failed to become Thailand’s 30th Prime Minister on Thursday. 

 

Section 272 empowers the 250 senators to join the 500 members of the House of Representatives to vote for prime minister between 2019 and 2023. In the first bicameral vote in parliament, 159 senators abstained. It is, therefore, in Move Forward’s interest to remove senators from voting for prime minister.

 

Move Forward MP Parit Wacharasindhu said that the party will keep trying. “There will, of course, be constant conversation with the 7 other coalition parties. As the Move Forward Party’s secretary-general said, we will continue to fight and present new alternatives and solutions to ensure that we get out of this deadlock”.

 

By Franc Han Shih, Thai PBS World

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/why-section-272-is-becoming-a-new-focus/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-07-17

 

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[h90]

The senators will never vote to take the power away from themself so it is for nothing

[DJ54]

That’d unfix the fix…… although think they’ll opposition will keep that from happening in this round….

[John Drake]

This proposal is DOA. The senators are not going to vote to do away with themselves. Looks like an empty gesture.

[Enoon]

7 hours ago, h90 said:

The senators will never vote to take the power away from themself so it is for nothing

Correct.

 

Radical surgery is required.

 

Good to see that you are starting to understand.

 

 

[Enoon]

28 minutes ago, John Drake said:

This proposal is DOA. The senators are not going to vote to do away with themselves. Looks like an empty gesture.

All reasonable steps have to be taken before the that which must be done is done.

 

You don't just start chucking Molotovs around.

 

The gesture is far from empty........it is replete with symbolism.

 

 

[WHansen]

10 minutes ago, Enoon said:

The gesture is far from empty........it is replete with symbolism.

 

Correct.

Make enough waves on the issue and outside observers start to realise and hopefully report on the depth of corruption in the politics of Thailand

[zzaa09]

Unelected, illegal and prejudicially appointed members of a parliamentary body should be the addressed issue, less the standing of the upper house and how it does/doesn't vote.....and procedures thereof. 

 

Should've been the call from the start. Removing the standing [illegal and unelected] coup-based government and it's corrupted circle [who were all allowed to participate] before such a general election could even be organised. 

 

This last election was more of a rhetorical theatre piece where the outcome was already understood. 

[Barefoot]

4 hours ago, John Drake said:

This proposal is DOA. The senators are not going to vote to do away with themselves. Looks like an empty gesture.

It is not so empty.  If you recall, the Thai opposition tried this last summer and almost pulled it off with 356 votes in support, falling just short of the 364 needed.  Many senators -- I seem to recall about 75 -- shockingly voted to end their vote for the prime minister position.  So some senators have a conscience, though they are under enormous pressure at the moment from the powers-that-be and might not vote the same way again.  I believe one-third of the senate has to sign off on it, so 84 needed.

 

[BangkokReady]

32 minutes ago, Barefoot said:

It is not so empty.  If you recall, the Thai opposition tried this last summer and almost pulled it off with 356 votes in support, falling just short of the 364 needed.

But supposing MFP had enough votes and it was going to go through, wouldn't there be some way it could be blocked?  The whole point of the senators is to control who becomes PM, why would they leave a backdoor for someone to take that power away?

[Ratchsima]

Naive/stubborn/pretentious movement from MFP, 272 is much more difficult and complicated than managing to get enough vote for PM.What they do is doing the 272 in parallel with voting for PM.  Who would do that now?. The 272 will take about 4-6months to materialize. Fyi, there were 6 attemps to do the 272 in the past 6 years. All were failed. 

 

272 issue is just for exciting  symbolism show to MFP's fanboys and fangirls.

Edited July 17, 2023 by Ratchsima

[John Drake]

Dead and done. 

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Parliament President Wan said Tues Move Forward Party's petition to amend Article 272 of the junta-sponsored charter in order to remove junta-appointed senators' power to jointly vote for PM can only be done after a new PM is appointed.    https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1681195510550630402