34 minutes ago, alien365 said:

I'm still waiting to see a list. I assume once one is out there McGregor Marshall, from his western location will publish it.

10 seconds on Google  https://www.senate.go.th/view/1/Members/EN-US

19 hours ago, h90 said:

They do their job according to the constitution which was voted for by the people...where is the treason?

“Voted for by the people?” ????

 

Don’t you mean “voted for (and rigged) by the coup makers in order to ensure their hold on power in spite of the ‘will of the people?’”

22 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

10 seconds on Google  https://www.senate.go.th/view/1/Members/EN-US

I was referring to their businesses. I tried googling a few names on the list a few days ago, but came up with a blank relating to the information I seek. 

26 minutes ago, fusion58 said:

“Voted for by the people?” ????

 

Don’t you mean “voted for (and rigged) by the coup makers in order to ensure their hold on power in spite of the ‘will of the people?’”

did you have a chance to vote for the constitution of your country?

Thailand had and they voted for it....

23 hours ago, mark131v said:

Nah sod that they should have some new punishment put onto the books for them because their behaviour is beyond the pale...

Many hours of hard graft Community Service supervised by the ordinary (with respect) Thai folk???

1 hour ago, h90 said:

did you have a chance to vote for the constitution of your country?

Thailand had and they voted for it....

On what planet do you live 

Just now, still kicking said:

On what planet do you live 

What was your argument? Was the constitution approved? Different than almost all in Europe or the USA

1 minute ago, h90 said:

What was your argument? Was the constitution approved? Different than almost all in Europe or the USA

Absolute nonsense the senators voted the constitution in and the senators are appointed by the junta Thai people had absolutely no saying in it 

2 hours ago, h90 said:

did you have a chance to vote for the constitution of your country?

Thailand had and they voted for it....

They stifled any discussion on the proposed changes at the time by threatening defamation charges against any criticism.

2 hours ago, still kicking said:

Absolute nonsense the senators voted the constitution in and the senators are appointed by the junta Thai people had absolutely no saying in it 

there was a public referendum.....

Just now, h90 said:

there was a public referendum.....

Link 

40 minutes ago, nahkit said:

They stifled any discussion on the proposed changes at the time by threatening defamation charges against any criticism.

Where have you been....half the country was discussing it and the red shirts/Thaksin party was strongly opposing it and told everyone to vote no......that why the results weren't that great

Just now, still kicking said:

Link 

Google is your friend......even poster: nakit admits it

If you can't stand the heat . . .

8 minutes ago, h90 said:

Google is your friend......even poster: nakit admits it

“Almost all the senators were handpicked by General Prawit,” said Jade Donavanik, an expert on Thai politics at the College of Asian Scholars in Thailand, referring to the 250 members of that chamber. “This is part of the problem.”

Thailand Parliament Vote: Pita Limjaroenrat Faces Setbacks - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Any more questions ?

20 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Link 

There was a public referendum which won by a fairly large margin but with a couple of caveats.

 

Firstly, many of the educated public were basically of the view that they have to either accept the proposal,  or never get a general election. 

 

Secondly there were reports (I don't know how credibile they were) of polling offices with helpful military personnel showing people how to vote. You know, escorting them to the ballot box, showing them how to make their vote (in particular, pointing out which box to tick)

26 minutes ago, h90 said:

Where have you been....half the country was discussing it and the red shirts/Thaksin party was strongly opposing it and told everyone to vote no......that why the results weren't that great

But any disagreement or suggestions on alternatives were not allowed. Honest discussion on the negatives of the proposed constitution was shut down. So actually only those who supported the proposed constitution had a voice. The referndum was an absolute farce, as only one side was heard. 

 

And then there was appointment of the senators. A total joke. I want to see them get their comeuppance. Self-entitled tw@ts.  

Edited July 18, 20232 yr by GarryP

4 minutes ago, JayClay said:

There was a public referendum which won by a fairly large margin but with a couple of caveats.

 

Firstly, many of the educated public were basically of the view that they have to either accept the proposal,  or never get a general election. 

 

Secondly there were reports (I don't know how credibile they were) of polling offices with helpful military personnel showing people how to vote. You know, escorting them to the ballot box, showing them how to make their vote (in particular, pointing out which box to tick)

No the margin was not big...60 something percent with a low voter turnout.

Prayuth said on TV that if it was rejected there will be the old constitution again and elections. Debunking these rumors

4 minutes ago, GarryP said:

But any disagreement or suggestions on alternatives were not allowed. Honest discussion on the negatives of the proposed constitution was shut down. So actually only those who supported the proposed constitution had a voice. The referndum was an absolute farce, as only one side was heard. 

 

And then there was appointment of the senators. A total joke. I want to see them get their comeuppance. Self-entitled tw@ts.  

red was running up and down the country rejecting it and everyone discussed it......There was no honest discussion because as now the one bubble shouted NO and the other bubble shouted YES and no one was interested in details.

And no one bothered to read it....that why it got so sloppy....but it was voted for....which can't be ignored.

Also note that afterwards Prayuth got the most votes in the election. Then he wasn't as unpopular as he is now.

3 minutes ago, h90 said:

No the margin was not big...60 something percent with a low voter turnout

60/40 is a margin of 20 points. I'd class that as big. But I come from a 52/48 land so anything looks big to me.

 

5 minutes ago, h90 said:

Prayuth said on TV that if it was rejected there will be the old constitution again and elections.

I don't recall seeing that TV show or any article referencing it. If he did say it, which he may well have done, I doubt anybody believed it. Otherwise the referendum options should have been worded as "Use new constitution proposal" and "Revert to the old constitution". It wasn't worded that way, however.  It was a "yes/no" vote on the new constitution only.

54 minutes ago, h90 said:

Where have you been....half the country was discussing it and the red shirts/Thaksin party was strongly opposing it and told everyone to vote no......that why the results weren't that great

Can you read?

 

"Right after seizing power, the generals announced their intention to restructure the country, in such a way, they said, that they would never have to mount another coup."

 

"This time they made sure their amended draft would pass, by imposing a strict ban on any campaigning, so the public understood very little about it, and by warning that the only alternative was extended military rule."

 

Two quotes taken from a BBC article, written in April 2017.

 

As to where have I been, I've been right here in Thailand and was living here before the coup.

 

5 minutes ago, nahkit said:

Can you read?

 

"Right after seizing power, the generals announced their intention to restructure the country, in such a way, they said, that they would never have to mount another coup."

 

"This time they made sure their amended draft would pass, by imposing a strict ban on any campaigning, so the public understood very little about it, and by warning that the only alternative was extended military rule."

 

Two quotes taken from a BBC article, written in April 2017.

 

As to where have I been, I've been right here in Thailand and was living here before the coup.

 

Than the BBC article is rubbish.....Prayut said in TV that he'll just go to the old constitution if the new is rejected (if he would do it or if it is a lie is a different question). And when you were here you have seen how much PTP and the red shirt cared about the ban....not at all.

And afterwards he got the most votes in the election......So if they people would have voted yes only to get rid of Prayuth they would not have him voted in afterwards.

And yes it was not a clean referendum...it was dirty. But if you read BBC....when did you or your parents had a referendum about constitution and how do you (not) elect your upper house?

29 minutes ago, JayClay said:

60/40 is a margin of 20 points. I'd class that as big. But I come from a 52/48 land so anything looks big to me.

 

I don't recall seeing that TV show or any article referencing it. If he did say it, which he may well have done, I doubt anybody believed it. Otherwise the referendum options should have been worded as "Use new constitution proposal" and "Revert to the old constitution". It wasn't worded that way, however.  It was a "yes/no" vote on the new constitution only.

from wikipedia: "However, it was approved by 61% of voters with a 59% turnout."

For me that result is catastrophic...the constitution should something everyone should agree. Something like 80+% at a 90% turn out.

Before someone told that in fact he did not say "going back to the previous constitution" but said to "a previous constitution" any of his picking.....I don't know if that true or not.

Obvious if the constitution is rejected, if I am Prayuth I would take 2 years time to draft another one and if it is rejected I take another 2 years and draft another one. That would be the logic thing to do for a dictator who pretends to want democracy.

My point is: I would not believe it as well.

7 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

Many hours of hard graft Community Service supervised by the ordinary (with respect) Thai folk???

Nah I had something much more permanent in mind...

15 hours ago, h90 said:

from wikipedia: "However, it was approved by 61% of voters with a 59% turnout."

For me that result is catastrophic...the constitution should something everyone should agree. Something like 80+% at a 90% turn out

I fully agree.

 

Further more, if you don't believe the referendum was run in a fair manner, and also hold the belief that the thresholds were reasonable, you can't then use your argument that "the Thai public voted for the constitution so they need to accep it" 

Edited July 19, 20232 yr by JayClay