Climate change: July set to be world's warmest month on record

[Danderman123]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Only a fool would claim that the future can be accurately predicted.  So far none of the dire predictions made by climate change believers have panned out.  Neither did they pan out when it was global cooling.  It's a fraud.

". . . didn't answer it to your satisfaction?"

What in blazes are you talking about?  I either did ask him numerous times or I didn't.  I did and he refuted that I did despite the hard evidence I gave him.  How can you even put it in terms of "to my satisfaction?"  It highlight the fact that it's a matter of character.

No, there is no gigantic conspiracy and no one is claiming that.  What is being claimed is that the entire climate change issue is for money - and lots and lots and lots of it, and for control.  Even now they're attempting to ban cars, gas appliances, the consumption of meat, gas powered lawn equipment, short haul flights and institute eating bugs, 15 minute cities, climate change lockdowns, and what you can or cannot buy based on the amount of CO2 used to create a product.  If you don't have the carbon credits then you can't purchase it.  I don't know about you but I have no intention of living in the dystopian and tyrannical world that the climate change believers are attempting to create.  I'll fight you to the bitter end first

Check out C40 cities and the wonderful plans they have for us in the fight to ward off climate change.  If you're in favour of unelected elites decreeing how the rest of the world is to live in every aspect of their lives then I don't know what to tell you.  Because as we saw these overlords over and over again during Covid lockdowns flaunting the very diktats they were imposing on the rest of society you can be damn sure that they won't change their lifestyles on bit by living the way they want to enforce others to live.  Rules for me and rules for thee.

All for a fraud.

None of the climate change "deniers" are in favour of destroying our world in the multitude ways that we do and many live their lives respecting the earth but despite that fact most climate change believers accuse them of not caring for our earth.  I don't see any of you guys complaining about any of that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2022/04/21/climate-change-policy-examples-list/

 

https://skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html

 

Robert Hansen predicted the current warming over 40 years ago.

 

IPCC started predictions 25 years ago and nailed it.

 

No one was predicting global cooling with any certainty, that is your imagination.

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Danderman123

[Tippaporn]

50 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are wildly off topic.

 

We are talking about Climate Change here.

 

If you have data disproving the Global Warming hypothesis, please share it.

The issue of climate change is much, much broader than the science behind it itself.  Or haven't you noticed?  Not off topic at all.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

The issue of climate change is much, much broader than the science behind it itself.  Or haven't you noticed?  Not off topic at all.

No its not, its all science based and the policies put in place are because of the science behind them

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11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Only a fool would claim that the future can be accurately predicted.  So far none of the dire predictions made by climate change believers have panned out.  Neither did they pan out when it was global cooling.  It's a fraud.

". . . didn't answer it to your satisfaction?"

What in blazes are you talking about?  I either did ask him numerous times or I didn't.  I did and he refuted that I did despite the hard evidence I gave him.  How can you even put it in terms of "to my satisfaction?"  It highlight the fact that it's a matter of character.

No, there is no gigantic conspiracy and no one is claiming that.  What is being claimed is that the entire climate change issue is for money - and lots and lots and lots of it, and for control.  Even now they're attempting to ban cars, gas appliances, the consumption of meat, gas powered lawn equipment, short haul flights and institute eating bugs, 15 minute cities, climate change lockdowns, and what you can or cannot buy based on the amount of CO2 used to create a product.  If you don't have the carbon credits then you can't purchase it.  I don't know about you but I have no intention of living in the dystopian and tyrannical world that the climate change believers are attempting to create.  I'll fight you to the bitter end first

Check out C40 cities and the wonderful plans they have for us in the fight to ward off climate change.  If you're in favour of unelected elites decreeing how the rest of the world is to live in every aspect of their lives then I don't know what to tell you.  Because as we saw these overlords over and over again during Covid lockdowns flaunting the very diktats they were imposing on the rest of society you can be damn sure that they won't change their lifestyles on bit by living the way they want to enforce others to live.  Rules for me and rules for thee.

All for a fraud.

None of the climate change "deniers" are in favour of destroying our world in the multitude ways that we do and many live their lives respecting the earth but despite that fact most climate change believers accuse them of not caring for our earth.  I don't see any of you guys complaining about any of that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2022/04/21/climate-change-policy-examples-list/

Do you think we're still living in an age of crystal balls? I've got exciting news for you. Climate models have already predicted the future successfully. It's the denialists whose predictions have failed.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Robert Hansen predicted the current warming over 40 years ago.

 

IPCC started predictions 25 years ago and nailed it.

 

No one was predicting global cooling with any certainty, that is your imagination.

 

Climategate.  Some people haven't forgotten.  And some don't ignore the implications of it.  It showed that goal seeking was used to claim global warming.  And despite what 8 investigative committees found their findings can't refute the emails I read.  If that's not satisfactory to you then it's not my problem.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The issue of climate change is much, much broader than the science behind it itself.  Or haven't you noticed?  Not off topic at all.

You seem to want to bloviate about stuff unrelated to global warming.

 

To that extent, you are tacitly admitting that the Global Warming hypothesis cannot be disproven.

 

So yeah, go back to talking about nothing.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Climategate.  Some people haven't forgotten.  And some don't ignore the implications of it.  It showed that goal seeking was used to claim global warming.  And despite what 8 investigative committees found their findings can't refute the emails I read.  If that's not satisfactory to you then it's not my problem.

This reminds me of the UFO nuts. They can't produce direct evidence, so they focus on hidden USAF emails for their proof.

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No its not, its all science based and the policies put in place are because of the science behind them

Well, you just admitted that the issue is broader than just the science as you mentioned the policies which are being put into place.  And you deceptively allude to "the science is settled" as you cite " . . . because of the science behind them."

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do you think we're still living in an age of crystal balls? I've got exciting news for you. Climate models have already predicted the future successfully. It's the denialists whose predictions have failed.

Climategate.  Nothing to see there, right?    Science can goal seek anything they want.  I don't trust them on climate change and Covid certainly supports the legitimacy of my distrust.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Well, you just admitted that the issue is broader than just the science as you mentioned the policies which are being put into place.  And you deceptively allude to "the science is settled" as you cite " . . . because of the science behind them."

No I didn't, you now misrepresenting what I said which was:

 

No its not, its all science based and the policies put in place are because of the science behind them

 

The science is never settled, again mispresenting what I said, why do you think the IPCC has regular updated reports? Why do you think IPCC changes policies when they are met or have been achieved, or indeed when they need further work due to the new evidence provided?

 

Why is the Ozone layer on target to get back to normal?

 

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

This reminds me of the UFO nuts. They can't produce direct evidence, so they focus on hidden USAF emails for their proof.

Climategate was real.  It happened.  You have to be in serious denial to brush that aside as if it never happened.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

No I didn't, you now misrepresenting what I said which was:

 

No its not, its all science based and the policies put in place are because of the science behind them

 

The science is never settled, again mispresenting what I said, why do you think the IPCC has regular updated reports? Why do you think IPCC changes policies when they are met or have been achieved. 

 

Why is the Ozone layer on target to get back to normal?

 

 

Bkk Brian, you refuted evidence that I did not ask you numerous times the direct question of whether or not consensus equates to truth despite the hard evidence I showed you.  At this point, Bkk Brian, I take you as one who will say anything, truth be damned, just so that you can make yourself right.  You've less than zero credibility with me.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Bkk Brian, you refuted evidence that I did not ask you numerous times the direct question of whether or not consensus equates to truth despite the hard evidence I showed you.  At this point, Bkk Brian, I take you as one who will say anything, truth be damned, just so that you can make yourself right.  You've less than zero credibility with me.

Change the record and look at my replies to that tedious question rather than deflection.

 

Why is the ozone layer repairing?

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Climategate.  Some people haven't forgotten.  And some don't ignore the implications of it.  It showed that goal seeking was used to claim global warming.  And despite what 8 investigative committees found their findings can't refute the emails I read.  If that's not satisfactory to you then it's not my problem.

Irrefutable proof that your "belief" is stronger than 8 investigative committees

[Tippaporn]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You seem to want to bloviate about stuff unrelated to global warming.

 

To that extent, you are tacitly admitting that the Global Warming hypothesis cannot be disproven.

 

So yeah, go back to talking about nothing.

Dictating how I must live my life due to combating global warming, and how I must pay for the effort, is not related to global warming?  Come again?

[Tippaporn]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Change the record and look at my replies to that tedious question rather than deflection.

 

Why is the ozone layer repairing?

Zero credibility, Bkk Brian.  And that won't change.  As I said, by refuting cold, hard facts you left not a shred of doubt as to who I'm dealing with.

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Irrefutable proof that your "belief" is stronger than 8 investigative committees

Belief?  You call reading the actual emails with my own eyes "belief."  Who are you trying to gaslight?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

Zero credibility, Bkk Brian.  And that won't change.  As I said, by refuting cold, hard facts you left not a shred of doubt as who I'm dealing with.

More deflection and now to trolling. Its a pity your not able to debate the issue of climate change with credible sources, in the absence of that you have nothing other than your own belief system.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Belief?  You call reading the actual emails with my own eyes "belief."  Who are you trying to gaslight?

You claimed:

 

despite what 8 investigative committees found their findings can't refute the emails I read.

 

"FactCheck.org confirmed that climate change deniers misrepresented the contents of the emails.

Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[17] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged throughout the investigations."

 

Yes your belief is in contrast to the experts

 

 

[Tippaporn]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

More deflection and now to trolling. Its a pity your not able to debate the issue of climate change with credible sources, in the absence of that you have nothing other than your own belief system.

No, for you it's a pity that I refuse to play your game.  And what follows naturally is the typical disingenuous made up accusations of deflection, trolling and beliefs.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

No, for you it's a pity that I refuse to play your game.  And what follows naturally is the typical disingenuous made up accusations of deflection, trolling and beliefs.

Cool, then ignore me and ignore the facts I provide. Because you certainly ignore any questions I put to you.

[Tippaporn]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You claimed:

 

despite what 8 investigative committees found their findings can't refute the emails I read.

 

"FactCheck.org confirmed that climate change deniers misrepresented the contents of the emails.

Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[17] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged throughout the investigations."

 

Yes your belief is in contrast to the experts

There you go again using fallacies of argument again.  Experts can be lying, cheating scumbags, too.  The label of expert in and of itself is meaningless.  And what real expert would claim that what people read was misrepresented?  When climate scientists say, in writing, that they made up data then how can that by misinterpreted and then misrepresented?  I'd say those "experts" are lying, cheating scumbags and the only thing that is being misrepresented is labeling them "experts."

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Cool, then ignore me and ignore the facts I provide. Because you certainly ignore any questions I put to you.

Oh, I'm not ignoring you, Bkk Brian.  I just understand fully who I'm dealing with.

[Keep Right]

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

There you go again using fallacies of argument again.  Experts can be lying, cheating scumbags, too.  The label of expert in and of itself is meaningless.  And what real expert would claim that what people read was misrepresented?  When climate scientists say, in writing, that they made up data then how can that by misinterpreted and then misrepresented?  I'd say those "experts" are lying, cheating scumbags and the only thing that is being misrepresented is labeling them "experts."

Can you provide a link to those experts lying and cheating?

 

Back to your beliefs which mean nothing 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Oh, I'm not ignoring you, Bkk Brian.  I just understand fully who I'm dealing with.

3rd time why is the ozone layer on track to be repaired?

[rattlesnake]

1,609 scientists and professionals from around the world have recently stated the obvious, that there is no climate emergency and it's all political. It seems President Trump was right when he called climate change a hoax.

 

https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/

 

Looking forward to laughing at the "fact-checking articles" some posters here will be sure to post.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

1,609 scientists and professionals from around the world have recently stated the obvious, that there is no climate emergency and it's all political. It seems President Trump was right when he called climate change a hoax.

 

https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/

 

Looking forward to laughing at the "fact-checking articles" some posters here will be sure to post.

Except that practically none of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are climate scientists.

 

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok.

Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies. 

 

"Looking forward to laughing at the "fact-checking articles" some posters here will be sure to post."

 

Your welcome

[swerve]

Not too hot for me.  Even living in a hot country like Thailand (Phuket) I never need to use air con.  Phuket gets some rain, but it's good to fill the reservoirs and clean the dirty roads.

[rattlesnake]

13 minutes ago, swerve said:

Not too hot for me.  Even living in a hot country like Thailand (Phuket) I never need to use air con.  Phuket gets some rain, but it's good to fill the reservoirs and clean the dirty roads.

This year was no hotter than any others.