Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[watthong]

In short if I refuse the fact shown to my face, saying that I can't read, understand etc., does that allow me to plead innocence (non-knowledgement) of the fact? what kind of law is this?

[bignok]

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I was just trying to the comments of Trump attorney Lauro in the NYTimes article which is mostly about debunking the free speech argument.

 

The is a 100 year case history to that 371 statute and anybody who comes on here or elsewhere and says this is a slam dunk jury trial should think again.

Imo its all about free speech plus covering up the other stuff from HB. Sadly the USA doesnt believe in it anymore. 

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, bignok said:

Very sour comments. Very sad actually. 

It is sad. Never in the history of the US has a sitting POTUS tried to overthrow our democracy.

 

Also sad is that so many Americans are brain addled and think trump did nothing wrong:

 

...stealing highly classified documents that expose military weaknesses, knowledge of adversaries military strengths and weaknesses, sources and methods of intel collection, and even exposing (trump had NCS docs) the identities of clandestine assets in places like russia, iran and north korea.  Praytell why a country club owner needs such material?

 

... trying to set up fake electors who would give him States he lost, pressuring State election officials to give him States he clearly lost, fomenting a terrorist attack on the Capitol (trump wasn't telling them to 'fight like hell' so that they could get discounts on decorative coffee mugs at the Capitol souvenir shop)

 

trump is a traitor. Years from now his name will be synonymous with treason, replacing Benedict Arnold. His cult will crawl back under their rocks or go back to their trailer parks in Marryyoursisterville.

[ThailandRyan]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

 

“Former President Donald Trump's latest four-count indictment relating to the 2020 election's aftermath will not come close to fulfilling Democrats' dreams of prohibiting the Republican front-runner from attaining high office again, a top law professor told Fox News”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-indictment-wont-fulfill-democrats-ineligibility-bedtime-story-smith-stretched-law-legal-experts

 This interview with J. Turley law professor and A.McCarthy former US attorney who imop is anti Trump and objected to much of Trumps rhetoric during his election loss  seems to concur with Turley!

 

All thats needed is Dershowitz expert opinion .

"There is no smoking gun. There is no one who is credibly prepared to testify that Donald Trump said to them, ‘I know personally I lost the election’. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jack-smith-indicted-for-stupidity-latest-trump-charges-legal-analyst

 

So its more political persecution by the opposition candidate justice department who hired Jack Smith as a 

special prosecutor to investigate Trump.imop

So then there was no storming of the capitol, no fake electors, no phone calls by Trump to States governors and definitely not any statements that it will be "Wild" come to DC on January 6th by him as well.  Are you living in a dark closet? or all of these fake things made up by the Special Prosecutor?  I am at a loss as to why you can not see the facts as they truly are, and why 100's have already been prosecuted and imprisoned for following Trumps Rhetoric.

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So then there was no storming of the capitol, no fake electors, no phone calls by Trump to States governors and definitely not any statements that it will be "Wild" come to DC on January 6th by him as well.  Are you living in a dark closet? or all of these fake things made up by the Special Prosecutor?  I am at a loss as to why you can not see the facts as they truly are, and why 100's have already been prosecuted and imprisoned for following Trumps Rhetoric.

He is quoting lawyers with greater understanding of the laws and education than you.

 

Are you not a Democrat supporter by any chance?

 

Yes or no

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6 minutes ago, bignok said:

He is quoting lawyers with greater understanding of the laws and education than you.

 

Are you not a Democrat supporter by any chance?

 

Yes or no

2 lawyers who thought that Aileen Cannon was correct in appointing a special master and who thought John Durham had brought 2 strong cases to trial. These 2 have been in the bag for Trump since forever. Although, to be fair, even they do both believe he's in serious legal jeopardy in the Mar-a-Lago documents case. 

Edited August 3, 2023 by placeholder

[bignok]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-indictment-wont-fulfill-democrats-ineligibility-bedtime-story-smith-stretched-law-legal-experts

 

Jono is spot on. 

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

He is quoting lawyers with greater understanding of the laws and education than you.

 

Are you not a Democrat supporter by any chance?

 

Yes or no

Quoting trump's 'crack' legal team?

 

trump is down to ambulance chasers now, not Clarence Darrow. No white shoe firms, either.

 

(I am reminded of trump's appointment of an Acting AG whose sole case in his legal career involved a guy contesting a rent agreement for his shop in a mall. After that 'courtroom experience', the guy trump appointed as Acting AG had gone on to sell "well hung man toilets' as well as shares in a time travel machine. "The Best People", indeed)

 

Not one of you trumpers can explain why the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster and 6-time bankrupt conman called his cult to DC for a "wild" time on 6 January, nor why he told them to 'march to the Capitol', nor 'fight like hell', nor 'take your country back' (all in the video of trump's rally).

 

None of you trumpers can explain why a country club owner and wedding planner need TS/SCI, Codeword, SAP, HCS and RD documents, nor why he lied about returning them all, nor why he told one of his quislings to erase 45 days of security camera footage, nor why he showed unauthorized folks US Mil plans for an invasion of Iran (trump's Wag the Dog Gambit).

 

 

[ozimoron]

51 minutes ago, watthong said:

This plea of innocence is bewildering to me. Is it going to work as plea of insanity? Of course we all know that both instances it can be faked.  If this is the case I can always hire a lawyer who would tell me it's legal to rob a bank,  then go rob a bank. Can I plead innocence/blame  it on my lawyer then?

He's going to try the Carson / Fox defense. Only an idiot would have believed him. That's unfortunately true.

Edited August 3, 2023 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

16 minutes ago, bignok said:

He is quoting lawyers with greater understanding of the laws and education than you.

 

Are you not a Democrat supporter by any chance?

 

Yes or no

He's running out of lawyers. Most of them have quit, been indicted themselves or turned hostile witness against Trump to save their own skin.

[ThailandRyan]

22 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

It is sad. Never in the history of the US has a sitting POTUS tried to overthrow our democracy.

 

Also sad is that so many Americans are brain addled and think trump did nothing wrong:

 

...stealing highly classified documents that expose military weaknesses, knowledge of adversaries military strengths and weaknesses, sources and methods of intel collection, and even exposing (trump had NCS docs) the identities of clandestine assets in places like russia, iran and north korea.  Praytell why a country club owner needs such material?

 

... trying to set up fake electors who would give him States he lost, pressuring State election officials to give him States he clearly lost, fomenting a terrorist attack on the Capitol (trump wasn't telling them to 'fight like hell' so that they could get discounts on decorative coffee mugs at the Capitol souvenir shop)

 

trump is a traitor. Years from now his name will be synonymous with treason, replacing Benedict Arnold. His cult will crawl back under their rocks or go back to their trailer parks in Marryyoursisterville.

But, but, but he was still the President he won he didn't loose, Mara Lago was the new Whitehouse just ask Trump, well that will be his defense IMHO

[watthong]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He's going to try the Carson / Fox defense.

Could you give a brief refresher on that case, thanks.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, watthong said:

Could you give a brief refresher on that case, thanks.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/tucker-carlson-successfully-argues-nobody-really-believes-tucker-carlson-is-reporting-facts/

[bignok]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

But, but, but he was still the President he won he didn't loose, Mara Lago was the new Whitehouse just ask Trump, well that will be his defense IMHO

Clinton and Biden did the same.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, bignok said:

Clinton and Biden did the same.

Stop the BS

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/tucker-carlson-successfully-argues-nobody-really-believes-tucker-carlson-is-reporting-facts/

The irony is that this same idiot was instrumental in over egging the big lie which was central to the Jan 6 insurrection and proves that judgement was wrong.

[Walker88]

Just now, ozimoron said:

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/tucker-carlson-successfully-argues-nobody-really-believes-tucker-carlson-is-reporting-facts/

The craziest thing---or perhaps not given the low IQ of trumpers----is that not only do the goobers believe everything tucker carlson said, they also believe nobody believes what tucker carlson said.

 

It's the same with the classified docs indictment...trump BOTH claims he 'declassified with his mind' as well as "the FBI planted them", and the goobers believe both trump lies

 

It's kind of a trumpistan Schrödinger's cat

[BarraMarra]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Stop the BS

Clinton and Biden are not in Court bigbash the Orange Man is.

[ThailandRyan]

21 minutes ago, bignok said:

He is quoting lawyers with greater understanding of the laws and education than you.

 

Are you not a Democrat supporter by any chance?

 

Yes or no

To answer your question, I don't do politics as a retired/former LEO, I believe that all politicians do anymore is pass bad bills and enrich themselves.  My party affiliation is as an Independent by the way.  I wrote in Sanders for both of the past two elections and wonder if my ballot ever truly made it from the Embassy to the US to be counted. Trump is a conman and a liar who can not control himself and acts like a spoiled child.  The current POTUS has led a life of feeding at the trough, yet he is doing a fine job running the country.  The majority of the Senate and House are also trough feeders who have been in politics almost as long as I have been alive.  Term limits is needed and those folks after they term out should not be able to run for another position elsewhere.

[candide]

6 hours ago, Tanlic said:

If anyone thinks this will see the inside of a courtroom in may forget it. This like Russia Russia Russia will end up a nothingburger. His lawyers will delay it until after the 2024 election.

 

The whole thing is to deflect the public attention away from the real criminals. 

 

Once again the media are controlling the sheep of America. The same media that conned the American people while Joe sat in a bunker eating Choc chip ice cram and was hardly seen in the public eye yet somehow became president.

 

The  Election was stolen ok but not in the way Trump said but by the worlds most dishonest biased media.

 

This Hunter/Joe Biden saga would be front page news of every rag and newstation in the uk no matter which party their leaders were with but in American the Clintons and The Bidens are protected and if you can't see that you really do need a reality check.

 

An Example: A huge story: The President of the USA is being accused of taking bribes and selling out his country BUT go find the story on MSNBC one of the nations biggest news companies. Or how about CNN......Trump news before these indictments was found on the front page but the Biden story hidden away in the politics section.

 

Be in denial if you like but the Election that put that dummy Biden in charge was rigged by people like Soros and the fake news media.

 

Trump wass doing great things for America and the first thing Joe Biden was instructed to do was tear down everything Trump had done.

 

America immeditaly lost people their lives in Afghanastan Putin with Trump gone attacks Ukraine Little rocket man starts playing with his toys again the world is in chaos thousands dying and even in sunny Thailand the cost of living has gone up more athan at any time oin the last 20 years thanks to Biden messing everything up.

 

However not even the sheep can be conned agin and Trump will become President again IMO.......if not i seriously question the sanity of the American people.

 

 

A MAGA fan calling others "sheep". That's rich! 

[bignok]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Stop the BS

Stop the lies mate.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/21/1150617734/the-doj-searched-bidens-home-and-found-more-classified-documents

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/officials-accused-of-mishandling-records-trump-hillary-clinton-nixon-2022-8

[bignok]

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Sanders for both of the past two elections

He is far left.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, candide said:

A MAGA fan calling others "sheep". That's rich! 

He made good points in a sensible calm manner. Totally unlike the nasty comments on here from the others.

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Quoting trump's 'crack' legal team?

 

trump is down to ambulance chasers now, not Clarence Darrow. No white shoe firms, either.

 

(I am reminded of trump's appointment of an Acting AG whose sole case in his legal career involved a guy contesting a rent agreement for his shop in a mall. After that 'courtroom experience', the guy trump appointed as Acting AG had gone on to sell "well hung man toilets' as well as shares in a time travel machine. "The Best People", indeed)

 

Not one of you trumpers can explain why the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster and 6-time bankrupt conman called his cult to DC for a "wild" time on 6 January, nor why he told them to 'march to the Capitol', nor 'fight like hell', nor 'take your country back' (all in the video of trump's rally).

 

None of you trumpers can explain why a country club owner and wedding planner need TS/SCI, Codeword, SAP, HCS and RD documents, nor why he lied about returning them all, nor why he told one of his quislings to erase 45 days of security camera footage, nor why he showed unauthorized folks US Mil plans for an invasion of Iran (trump's Wag the Dog Gambit).

 

 

How can these trumpers answer when there seem to be no convictions as yet?

 

Or are you getting ahead of yourself?

[BarraMarra]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

The irony is that this same idiot was instrumental in over egging the big lie which was central to the Jan 6 insurrection and proves that judgement was wrong.

In his Inauguration speech, Trump swore on the Bible in front of Millions to uphold the American Constitution a year later he plotted its downfall. In England, its called Treason and years ago he would be facing the block.

[Walker88]

5 minutes ago, bignok said:

You mean like Clin

 

I'm neutral. You are biased.

Perhaps you missed it, but HRC had no highly classified docs on her server, just a few Confidential and maybe one Secret, (not even Top Secret), all of which were declassified subsequently by the new Administration's SecState Pompeo. Still, trump led the chants of "Lock her up".

 

Clinton did not have TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS nor RD. (By the way, even a POTUS cannot declassify RD; only the Dept of Energy can).

 

Again, why would a country club owner need those docs, which he had zero right to have. (Perhaps you are unaware even POTUSs have no security clearance, so nothing to revoke when they get trounced badly in their re-election effort).

 

(An aside: in a fit of pique trump claimed he revoked the security clearances of John Brennan, Jim Comey and Andrew McCabe. So incompetent was trump's staff that this never occurred. All still retain their clearances today.)

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, bignok said:

Clinton and Biden did the same.

Really, they refused to accept the election results? Made false electors, told there supporters to be at the Capitol as it would be "Wild" and then continued for years afterwards continuing to make claims there was election fraud after it was proven there wasn't?  or are you saying that they also refused to return classified documents after being subpoenaed to return them to the National Archives?

[FritsSikkink]

On 8/2/2023 at 9:10 AM, bignok said:

Judge is a black woman appointed by Obama.

 

No bias here.

What is your problem with black woman?

[bignok]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Really, they refused to accept the election results? Made false electors, told there supporters to be at the Capitol as it would be "Wild" and then continued for years afterwards continuing to make claims there was election fraud after it was proven there wasn't?  or are you saying that they also refused to return classified documents after being subpoenaed to return them to the National Archives?

Hillary lied about the 2016 election. Refused to accept it.

 

The others all had classified papers.

 

 

[Walker88]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How can these trumpers answer when there seem to be no convictions as yet?

 

Or are you getting ahead of yourself?

Patience, grasshopper. The fatboy is going down, because he has no AG to isolate him from the law, as he had with sessions, whitaker and barr.

 

Oh, and you are welcome to try to answer the questions posed...

 

Why did donny call his goobers to DC and encourage them to 'march to the Capitol', 'fight like hell', and 'take back our country'?

 

Why did the wedding planner trump need TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD docs at his country club?