Summary

1. Donald Trump has been charged with four counts after a grand jury examined his efforts to overturn the 2020 election result
2. Charges include conspiracy to defraud the United States and an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding
3. Special Counsel Jack Smith was appointed to oversee investigations into Trump, including his involvement in the 6 January riot which occurred while Congress was certifying Joe Biden's victory
4. Trump has been summoned to appear in court on Thursday in Washington DC before a judge
5. He already faces charges brought by Smith's team over alleged mishandling of classified documents in Florida
6. The former president also faces trial in New York City for falsifying business records in hush money payments to an adult film star

 

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It’s about time!hopefulley it’s televised so everyone sees the seriousness of his deeds

Does any of this result in a prison term ?

The chickens have come home to roost. I guess it took them a while to find him after he moved to Florida after getting booted out of the white house. 

Five of the six identified. I will make a guess that the sixth person is BANNON! Wait and see. Aloy

I'm with Pence on this one.

 

“Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” 

 

Bit early to pop the champagne here in Thailand unfortunately.

READ THE INDICTMENT

 

https://apnews.com/trump-election-2020-indictment

 

 

 

If he is found guilty, put him in prison. I have no problem with that.  Just do it in time for the GOP to have a fair chance at selecting another nominee for the 2024 election.

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If he is found guilty, put him in prison. I have no problem with that.  Just do it in time for the GOP to have a fair chance at selecting another nominee for the 2024 election.

Ahhh they are supposed to be in that process now

25 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Five of the six identified. I will make a guess that the sixth person is BANNON! Wait and see. Aloy

Per WashPo quoted other topic more likely attorney Ms. Jenna Ellis

https://archive.is/DXhkj#selection-1519.0-1529.73

36 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Does any of this result in a prison term ?

nope.

39 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Does any of this result in a prison term ?

The intent is to prevent him from ever being president again. Those around him though, will see lots of time. 

I read the document and in my lifetime I never have read something so shocking and so well laid out factually. Toast is an accurate summation.

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by earlinclaifornia

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Per WashPo quoted other topic more likely attorney Ms. Jenna Ellis

https://archive.is/DXhkj#selection-1519.0-1529.73

Maybe but Jenna Ellis is an attorney. On the indictment the 6th person is identified as a "political consultant"

 

32 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If he is found guilty, put him in prison. I have no problem with that.  Just do it in time for the GOP to have a fair chance at selecting another nominee for the 2024 election.

If we can get every Republican voter to read the indictment, then we would have an informed electorate.  Of course, most of said voters do not want to be informed.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe but Jenna Ellis is an attorney. On the indictment the 6th person is identified as a "political consultant"

 

why are they unindicted?

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

why are they unindicted?

I suspect it is due to some cooperation from Guliani. 

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe but Jenna Ellis is an attorney. On the indictment the 6th person is identified as a "political consultant"

 

Whoever the unindicted co-conspirator is, rest assured they're not yet indicted as they are negotiating immunity for their testimony. 

I don't anything real here. All fake trumped up charges. He didn't cause the riots. All he did was question the election results.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

why are they unindicted?

Legal pundits say this is because Smith wants a speedy trial.

 

They can be indicted at a later date.

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe but Jenna Ellis is an attorney. On the indictment the 6th person is identified as a "political consultant"

 

OK. Noted.

1 hour ago, Tug said:

It’s about time!hopefulley it’s televised so everyone sees the seriousness of his deeds

Television?  Television?  Where??????

There is an old joke from the 1990s:

Q: what is the most dangerous place in the world?

A: the space between DT and a television camera

 

He could lose it and disrupt the court to make himself the center of the cameras attention, one way or the other.

Some might recall Saddam's trial.  They were grilling his guys with questions like "did you order . . . " and so on, then Saddam got impatient and stood up and said "He did what told him, what he did was really me doing this."  I think DT could lose his patience with sitting on his thumbs for a few days and blow it in this fashion.  Escorted from the courtroom in manacles.  All live on CSPN.

 

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

why are they unindicted?

They are not unindicted.  If that were the case, the indictment doc would say so.  They are not yet indicted, but have an opportunity to come forward and cooperate.  If they don't, they will be indicted. 

3 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Television?  Television?  Where??????

There is an old joke from the 1990s:

Q: what is the most dangerous place in the world?

A: the space between DT and a television camera

 

He could lose it and disrupt the court to make himself the center of the cameras attention, one way or the other.

Some might recall Saddam's trial.  They were grilling his guys with questions like "did you order . . . " and so on, then Saddam got impatient and stood up and said "He did what told him, what he did was really me doing this."  I think DT could lose his patience with sitting on his thumbs for a few days and blow it in this fashion.  Escorted from the courtroom in manacles.  All live on CSPN.

 

I recalled that Federal trials are not to be televised.

 

 

As Co-Conspirator 6's description could potentially apply to many in Trump's orbit, it's too early to tell who might be the person in question. There are speculations around Virginia "Ginni" Thomas — the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and founder of a consulting firm — who was found to have pressured Republican lawmakers in Arizona to choose their own electors.

 

https://people.com/donald-trump-co-conspirators-jan-6-election-interference-7568572

13 minutes ago, bignok said:

I don't anything real here. All fake trumped up charges. He didn't cause the riots. All he did was question the election results.

 

 

There is a big difference between questioning the results, and lying about the results. He isn't being charged with causing the riots, he is being charged with trying to overturn an election.

The same as you are free to question these charges, but you are not free to say its fake, when its not fake.

One is free speech, the other is lying.

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by Peterw42

12 minutes ago, bignok said:

I don't anything real here. All fake trumped up charges. He didn't cause the riots. All he did was question the election results.

 

 

Did you read the indictments document courtesy of the grand jury?

12 minutes ago, bignok said:

I don't anything real here. All fake trumped up charges. He didn't cause the riots. All he did was question the election results.

 

 

I understand. Can you tell us if you read the indictment? 

26 minutes ago, bignok said:

I don't anything real here. All fake trumped up charges. He didn't cause the riots. All he did was question the election results.

 

 

It is not against the law to question anything and the proven sex predator and now thrice indicted criminal defendant mafioso Don is not being indicted for that.

 

I suggest that here is an analogy that will disprove your claim :

 

One can question the legitimacy of the US dollar, suggesting that all those  in circulation are  fake and this free speech is your first amendment constitutional right.

 

But when you start printing your own US dollars under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, to provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, you will go to jail.

 

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by LosLobo

Judge is a black woman appointed by Obama.

 

No bias here.