Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[bignok]

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

IF Smith had charged the traitor with sedition and the charge stuck, this would have prevented the traitor from ever holding a gubmint office again. Wiser heads have said he most likely DIDN'T because the traitor could have cried alligator tears, saying Smith was performing election interference to prevent him from running. Smith holds his cards absolutely against his chest, and we'll most likely never know.

The whole thing is political. They waited 3 years.

[metisdead]

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[Walker88]

Perhaps a trumper can explain a few things connected to this latest indictment:

 

-Why did trump Tweet and encourage his cult to "come to Washington on 6 January; it'll be wild !". What purpose could be served by having people come when a simple pro forma certification of the election result was taking place? What could be "wild" about that?

 

-Why did trump, at his rally on the Mall, tell his cult to 'march with me to the Capitol' and 'fight like hell', and 'take our country back'? Take back from what? The election result was clear.

 

-Why did trump tell security to remove the metal detectors from his rally, despite being told some people are carrying arms. Why would trump think it might be okay for armed cultists to march to the Capitol?

 

-Why did trump try to pressure Georgia SecState to 'just find me 11,780 votes'? Find them? Where?

 

-Why did trump willfully participate in the effort to appoint fake electors?

 

If trump is so clean and this is all a witch hunt, why did trump do those things?

[bignok]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/pence-says-trump-arrest-politically-charged-prosecution-rcna75643

[Walker88]

5 minutes ago, bignok said:

Not facts just gibberish. Heard it for 8 years.

So Facts=gibberish to you?

 

Are you rudy in disguise? Maybe you're kellyanne conway with her Alternative Facts?

 

You can refute nothing. Zero. All you can do is be like one of the previously posted images of the three monkeys...see no evil, etc.

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/pence-says-trump-arrest-politically-charged-prosecution-rcna75643

So trying to overthrow US democracy is 'politically charged prosecution'?

 

Damn! Why didn't Benedict Arnold think of that !

 

Praytell what your messiah meant when he said, "If Mike Pence does the right thing"?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/pence-says-trump-arrest-politically-charged-prosecution-rcna75643

That link is from March.

 

This is what Pence said yesterday

“Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” 

 

9 minutes ago, bignok said:

The whole thing is political. They waited 3 years.

Jack Smith was not appointed till November 2022. Jack was quick and nimble.

[sirineou]

18 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

From 2016.

Yea I see what you mean , I should had gone back on step in your conversation to get the context. My bad. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Walker88 said:

So trying to overthrow US democracy is 'politically charged prosecution'?

 

Damn! Why didn't Benedict Arnold think of that !

 

Praytell what your messiah meant when he said, "If Mike Pence does the right thing"?

Read it and weep.

 

'Chilling tale': Ex-FBI official offers stark warning after reading new Trump charges - Raw Story - Celebrating 19 Years of Independent Journalism

 

Reading through Donald Trump's indictment for alleged election interference offers a "chilling tale" for Americans who were almost defrauded by their own leader, according to a former FBI official.

Former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence Frank Figliuzzi said on Tuesday evening that American citizens were extremely close to having their civil right to a free and fair election taken from them. Figliuzzi appeared on MSNBC after Jack Smith formally charged the former president with his role in the purported conspiracies to steal the election from Joe Biden.

Asked what he sees in the 45-page indictment, Figliuzzi said, "I see a chilling tale of how close we came, all of us, to literally being the defrauded of our civil rights, our right to a free and fair election."

[candide]

7 minutes ago, bignok said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/pence-says-trump-arrest-politically-charged-prosecution-rcna75643

March 19, 2023, 6:22 PM CET

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

One really has to wonder what you would consider a crime.

 

The scumball traitor tried to overthrow 250 years of American democracy.

 

Ideally he is charged with Sedition, a capital offense.

 

Sit him down on Sparky, throw the switch, and watch the traitor sizzle like Sunday morning bacon.

Don't let bignok bait you. He does that alot. You can't take his posts seriously. 

 

Of course Trump is a traitor. In some nations he would be executed for what he did. At a minimum, he deserves to spend his few remaining years in prison. 

[Danderman123]

15 minutes ago, bignok said:

Not facts just gibberish. Heard it for 8 years.

Refute one of the listed facts, otherwise you are trolling.

 

Just saying nonsense in response to facts makes you appear unbalanced.

[jerrymahoney]

7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Yea I see what you mean , I should had gone back on step in your conversation to get the context. My bad. 

No problem.

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1 hour ago, bignok said:

Hillary claimed the Russians rigged 2016. How come she was not charged?

False, She did claim that the Russians ran a massive disinformation campaign. Which is true. She did not claim that the elections were rigged.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

False, She did claim that the Russians ran a massive disinformation campaign. Which is true. She did not claim that the elections were rigged.

Nor did she try to overthrow the election. 

[Jingthing]

Probably the most consequential indictment in American history.

Will we preserve our democracy, or not?

 

Trump has been indicted before. Historians say this time is different. - The Washington Post

 

“The crimes indicted are an order of magnitude beyond anything that has been committed against this country by any American citizen, let alone a former president.”

Edited August 2, 2023 by Jingthing

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1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

So if a pollster asks a Trump supporter or 2020 Trump voter, 'Do you think that the 2020 election was stolen?' do you expect them to say "NO".

Well, actually 37% of them did say no, didn't they? And given Trump supporters' inclination to believe all sorts of nutty conspiracy theories, such as the birther conspiracy, climate change conspiracy,  & the globalist conspiracy why wouldn't the majority believe the election was stolen? These are largely not people who have much use for facts.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, actually 37% of them did say no, didn't they? And given Trump supporters' inclination to believe all sorts of nutty conspiracy theories, such as the birther conspiracy, climate change conspiracy,  & the globalist conspiracy why wouldn't the majority believe the election was stolen? These are largely not people who have much use for facts.

And how could I forget the "deep state" conspiracy. So remiss of me.

[Bkk Brian]

Not often I cite the New York Post but on this occasion:

 

https://nypost.com/cover/august-2-2023/

[mushroomdave]

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Perhaps a trumper can explain a few things connected to this latest indictment:

 

-Why did trump Tweet and encourage his cult to "come to Washington on 6 January; it'll be wild !". What purpose could be served by having people come when a simple pro forma certification of the election result was taking place? What could be "wild" about that?

 

-Why did trump, at his rally on the Mall, tell his cult to 'march with me to the Capitol' and 'fight like hell', and 'take our country back'? Take back from what? The election result was clear.

 

-Why did trump tell security to remove the metal detectors from his rally, despite being told some people are carrying arms. Why would trump think it might be okay for armed cultists to march to the Capitol?

 

-Why did trump try to pressure Georgia SecState to 'just find me 11,780 votes'? Find them? Where?

 

-Why did trump willfully participate in the effort to appoint fake electors?

 

If trump is so clean and this is all a witch hunt, why did trump do those things?

Your quotations are mainly wrong, incomplete and just cherry-picked to push everything out of context. So I stopped there.

[ozimoron]

Just now, nauseus said:

Your quotations are mainly wrong, incomplete and just cherry-picked to push everything out of context. So I stopped there.

What was going to be wild then?

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Probably the most consequential indictment in American history.

Will we preserve our democracy, or not?

 

Trump has been indicted before. Historians say this time is different. - The Washington Post

 

“The crimes indicted are an order of magnitude beyond anything that has been committed against this country by any American citizen, let alone a former president.”

What do you expect from a liberalist?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What do you expect from a liberalist?

I don't know but I expect nothing but mindless cult behavior from Magadonians.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not often I cite the New York Post but on this occasion:

 

https://nypost.com/cover/august-2-2023/

LOSER!

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't know but I expect nothing but mindless cult behavior from Magadonians.

Are they those expensive munchies?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Are they those expensive munchies?

No that's what disgraced ex-president Trump has named his followers. 

[Walker88]

57 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your quotations are mainly wrong, incomplete and just cherry-picked to push everything out of context. So I stopped there.

No. Not wrong.

 

Go find his Tweet.

 

Listen to his speech.

 

You attempt obfuscation because you cannot answer the facts that

 

1) trump called his cult to come to DC on 6 Janaury, and that trump Tweeted "it'll be wild"

 

2) trump held a rally and encouraged his cult to march to the Capitol to 'fight like hell' and 'take the country back'.

 

3) trump Tweeted about Pence 'not doing the right thing', after which the chants of "hang Mike Pence" began.

 

Unless you're an abject idiot, you know full well what trump was trying to do. You also know that trump just sat and watched the terrorist attack on TV, even hearing "Hang Mike Pence", yet he did nothing (and no, it wasn't Pelosi's job to call in the National Guard; she's Speaker, not POTUS).

 

 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Walker88

[Walker88]

59 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What do you expect from a liberalist?

Rule of law? Support for the Constitution?

 

That's what I expect, especially from a sitting POTUS.  Apparently that bar was just too high for trump.

 

He shall now pay the price.

 

Personally, I'd like to see capital charges, and if convicted, execution.

 

[Walker88]

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I expect him to be convicted because he is guilty of trying to overthrow US democracy.

 

Perhaps that means nothing to people like you, but to real patriots, our democracy and rule of law are everything. We're too bright to be susceptible to the siren song of a self-serving, mendacious, corrupt, incompetent, psychopath like trump.