Public support for new Brexit referendum revealed

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

Yet 73% of leave voters would still vote leave

The results show that one in six Leave voters (18%) now say that they would vote to Remain were the EU referendum being held now. Almost three quarters (73%) say they would still vote to leave the EU.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/18/britons-would-vote-rejoin-eu

And 

 

58 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The UK had an EU referendum in 2016 where everyone was told a vote for leave would mean leaving the EU,  single market and the customs union 

of the 33,577,342 million people that took part in the vote the majority 17,410,742 decided to leave

So that would be 12,709,841 would still vote to leave.

 

While 3,133,933 leave voters would now vote remain

 

Remain got 16,141,241 votes.

 

The consequences of failed BREXIT are becoming clearer.

 

The Rejoin march takes place later this month. Let’s see how the numbers are and how it’s reported in the various newspapers/media.

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And 

 

So that would be 12,709,841 would still vote to leave.

 

While 3,133,933 leave voters would now vote remain

 

Remain got 16,141,241 votes.

 

The consequences of failed BREXIT are becoming clearer.

 

The Rejoin march takes place later this month. Let’s see how the numbers are and how it’s reported in the various newspapers/media.

 

But the UK folk voted to leave the U.S.of Germany.........Job done, chap/lady................

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And 

 

So that would be 12,709,841 would still vote to leave.

 

While 3,133,933 leave voters would now vote remain

 

Remain got 16,141,241 votes.

 

The consequences of failed BREXIT are becoming clearer.

 

The Rejoin march takes place later this month. Let’s see how the numbers are and how it’s reported in the various newspapers/media.

 

Doesn't really matter what the numbers are on the rejoin marches Number 1 priority for the EU is getting Ukraine onboard and the other 8/9 countries

 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Doesn't really matter what the numbers are on the rejoin marches Number 1 priority for the EU is getting Ukraine onboard and the other 8/9 countries

 

In the context of this thread?

[RayC]

2 hours ago, transam said:

But the UK folk voted to leave the U.S.of Germany.........Job done, chap/lady................

I think you are confused, Trans. The UK did not vote to leave the Federal Republic of Germany for the simple reason that it has never been a member.

 

The UK electorate voted to leave the EU in a referendum in 2016.

 

(Sarcasm alert) Since that decision was made, relations with our biggest trading partner have gone swimmingly and the sunlight uplands, which we were promised, have been permanently lit.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

I think you are confused, Trans. The UK did not vote to leave the Federal Republic of Germany for the simple reason that it has never been a member.

 

The UK electorate voted to leave the EU in a referendum in 2016.

 

(Sarcasm alert) Since that decision was made, relations with our biggest trading partner have gone swimmingly and the sunlight uplands, which we were promised, have been permanently lit.

The confusion is yours, some of us had a crystal ball that looked into the future, the Brexit vote dealt with it...............????

 

P.S. ( I must ask, do you post here on any other subject)....????

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, RayC said:

I think you are confused, Trans. The UK did not vote to leave the Federal Republic of Germany for the simple reason that it has never been a member.

 

The UK electorate voted to leave the EU in a referendum in 2016.

 

(Sarcasm alert) Since that decision was made, relations with our biggest trading partner have gone swimmingly and the sunlight uplands, which we were promised, have been permanently lit.

The winds of change are blowing:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/16/labour-wants-new-eu-links-in-a-reset-of-british-foreign-policy

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The winds of change are blowing:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/16/labour-wants-new-eu-links-in-a-reset-of-british-foreign-policy

Really

Starmer says no case for joining EU as he insists Brexit policy hasn’t changed

“There’s no case for going back to the EU – no case for going into the single market or customs union and no freedom of movement. I’ve been really clear that that’s the parameter.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-brexit-labour-eu-migrants-b2411420.html

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Really

Starmer says no case for joining EU as he insists Brexit policy hasn’t changed

“There’s no case for going back to the EU – no case for going into the single market or customs union and no freedom of movement. I’ve been really clear that that’s the parameter.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-brexit-labour-eu-migrants-b2411420.html

Of course he does, he’s going to fight the election in the key issues facing voters:

 

The cost of living crisis.

The NHS crisis.

The housing crisis.

The collapse of policing.

The collapse of other key public services.

 

And in the meantime he’s going to reverse Tory antagonism towards the EU.

 

BREXIT has passed its zenith and will come to an end when the Tories grasp voters want an end to it.

Labour will have already demonstrated that working with the EU is in the best interest of addressing the public’s key concerns.

 

 

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course he does, he’s going to fight the election in the key issues facing voters:

 

The cost of living crisis.

The NHS crisis.

The housing crisis.

The collapse of policing.

The collapse of other key public services.

 

And in the meantime he’s going to reverse Tory antagonism towards the EU.

 

BREXIT has passed its zenith and will come to an end when the Tories grasp voters want an end to it.

Labour will have already demonstrated that working with the EU is in the best interest of addressing the public’s key concerns.

 

 

Voting for Labour, is like you voting for your Trump, daft.............????..............????

[youreavinalaff]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course he does, he’s going to fight the election in the key issues facing voters:

 

The cost of living crisis.

The NHS crisis.

The housing crisis.

The collapse of policing.

The collapse of other key public services.

 

And in the meantime he’s going to reverse Tory antagonism towards the EU.

 

BREXIT has passed its zenith and will come to an end when the Tories grasp voters want an end to it.

Labour will have already demonstrated that working with the EU is in the best interest of addressing the public’s key concerns.

 

 

With the amount of uturns he, Raynor, and shadow cabinet members have made, the amount of " we'll see" comments and the amount of " we can't spend money we haven't got" comments, I would have to say, I think your crystal ball needs a polish.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

With the amount of uturns he, Raynor, and shadow cabinet members have made, the amount of " we'll see" comments and the amount of " we can't spend money we haven't got" comments, I would have to say, I think your crystal ball needs a polish.

I don’t mind waiting to see if I’m correct or not.

 

It won’t be long now until we all find out.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[vinny41]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course he does, he’s going to fight the election in the key issues facing voters:

 

The cost of living crisis.

The NHS crisis.

The housing crisis.

The collapse of policing.

The collapse of other key public services.

 

And in the meantime he’s going to reverse Tory antagonism towards the EU.

 

BREXIT has passed its zenith and will come to an end when the Tories grasp voters want an end to it.

Labour will have already demonstrated that working with the EU is in the best interest of addressing the public’s key concerns.

 

 

I recall between 3-4 million Labour voters voted to leave the EU in 2016

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984

Or Course some of those voters may have been expelled from the labour party now

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vinny41 said:

I recall between 3-4 million Labour voters voted to leave the EU in 2016

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984

Or Course some of those voters may have been expelled from the labour party now

More importantly what are there views now?

 

Unless they are somehow different from other ‘Leave Voters’ then significant numbers will have changed their mind on BREXIT, just like significant numbers of other Leave Voters have changed their mind.

 

Refer percentages you yourself provided.

[youreavinalaff]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t mind waiting to see if I’m correct or not.

 

It won’t be long now until we all find out.

 

 

6+ years.

[youreavinalaff]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More importantly what are there views now?

 

Unless they are somehow different from other ‘Leave Voters’ then significant numbers will have changed their mind on BREXIT, just like significant numbers of other Leave Voters have changed their mind.

 

Refer percentages you yourself provided.

Such an out pouring of support for rejoining, apparently, yet Labour will not commit for fear of throwing a spanner in the works at the next election.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

6+ years.

Oh, so it’s you that’s got the crystal ball.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

Such an out pouring of support for rejoining, apparently, yet Labour will not commit for fear of throwing a spanner in the works at the next election.

 Refer my post above on Labour’s strategy for the election.

[youreavinalaff]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so it’s you that’s got the crystal ball.

 

 

 

The general election is due in a year.

 

If Labour win they get 5 years. I'm sure you'll agree they need to be given their full term to attempt what you have posted.

 

If the naysayers piped up after 6 months, saying Labour haven't done what they promised, supporters like your self would be up in arms.

 

No crystal ball. Simple mathematics. 5+1=6.

[youreavinalaff]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Refer my post above on Labour’s strategy for the election.

I have. Nothing about re-joining the EU. If, like you say, there is so much support for it, Labour would be jumping all over it.

 

They know it would be detrimental, so they don't mention it.

 

Strange how "cost of living" is on your list, something that is constantly linked to Brexit by you, yet you feel no need for Captain Hindsight to mention it in the run up to the election. 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I have. Nothing about re-joining the EU. If, like you say, there is so much support for it, Labour would be jumping all over it.

 

They know it would be detrimental, so they don't mention it.

 

Strange how "cost of living" is on your list, something that is constantly linked to Brexit by you, yet you feel no need for Captain Hindsight to mention it in the run up to the election. 

The cost of living crisis is on my list because it’s a key point of voter concern.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/bulletins/publicopinionsandsocialtrendsgreatbritain/11to22january2023#:~:text=When asked about the important,and the environment (59%).

 

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The cost of living crisis is on my list because it’s a key point of voter concern.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/bulletins/publicopinionsandsocialtrendsgreatbritain/11to22january2023#:~:text=When asked about the important,and the environment (59%).

 

It must also be linked to Brexit, the topic of this thread, otherwise it's off topic and should have a thread of it's own.

 

A popular view amongst certain posters.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

It must also be linked to Brexit, the topic of this thread, otherwise it's off topic and should have a thread of it's own.

 

A popular view amongst certain posters.

The cost of living crisis is linked to Brexit.

Restrictions in food exports, extra costs of food imports, lack of labour for farming and food processing etc.

[youreavinalaff]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The cost of living crisis is linked to Brexit.

Restrictions in food exports, extra costs of food imports, lack of labour for farming and food processing etc.

If it were so important and detrimental to the economy as you suggest, Capt Hindsight would be using re-joining as part of his election campaign. He has already said he won't be but will be tackling the cost of living.

 

So, Brexit is linked to cost of living under the currents government but Labour will be able to miraculously make things all rosey without mentioning it or doing anything about it.

 

Have Starmer and Raynor been taking lessons from Penn and Teller?

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

If it were so important and detrimental to the economy as you suggest, Capt Hindsight would be using re-joining as part of his election campaign. He has already said he won't be but will be tackling the cost of living.

 

So, Brexit is linked to cost of living under the currents government but Labour will be able to miraculously make things all rosey without mentioning it or doing anything about it.

 

Have Starmer and Raynor been taking lessons from Penn and Teller?

Once again you ignore two realities.

 

1. Starmer has already stated the issues on which Labour are campaigning.

 

2. It’s not Labour that needs to come to terms with the damage being done by BREXIT, and growing public support for rejoining the EU, it’s the Tories.

[Chomper Higgot]

Is anyone actually disputing public opinion is moving against BREXIT?

 

And if so do you have any data that suggests otherwise?

[youreavinalaff]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again you ignore two realities.

 

1. Starmer has already stated the issues on which Labour are campaigning.

 

2. It’s not Labour that needs to come to terms with the damage being done by BREXIT, and growing public support for rejoining the EU, it’s the Tories.

So you want it both ways.

 

Why didn't you say from the start?

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again you ignore two realities.

 

1. Starmer has already stated the issues on which Labour are campaigning.

 

2. It’s not Labour that needs to come to terms with the damage being done by BREXIT, and growing public support for rejoining the EU, it’s the Tories.

1. Starmer doesn't know if he's coming or going, along with his "nobody" sidekick who knows sod-all.

2. The Tories are respecting the 2016 vote, it is people like you who don't and keep blaming anyone, though the vote has nothing whatsoever to do with you..................  ????

 

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is anyone actually disputing public opinion is moving against BREXIT?

 

And if so do you have any data that suggests otherwise?

On the street chat has nothing to do with what is actual fact................????

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

On the street chat has nothing to do with what is actual fact................????

No data then.