The prosecutor leading the federal election meddling case against Donald Trump has asked a judge to place him under a gag order, limiting how he is able to publicly comment on the case.

Special Counsel Jack Smith's filing says the "narrowly tailored" order would prevent harassment of witnesses.

Mr Trump hit back online, accusing Smith's team of misconduct, writing: "they won't allow me to SPEAK?"

He has pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election.

The request was unsealed by District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan and was filed a week earlier. It was among a slew of older court documents from the case that were released on Friday.

Prosecutors say their proposed order - which they never refer to as a "gag order" - is "a narrow, well defined restriction" that is necessary to prevent disinformation, threats and "prejudicing" the case.

 

If approved, it would ban Mr Trump from making statements "regarding the identity, testimony, or credibility of prospective witnesses" and "statements about any party, witness, attorney, court personnel, or potential jurors that are disparaging and inflammatory, or intimidating".

It does not place any restrictions on Mr Trump from quoting from public record court documents or proclaiming his innocence.

Any restriction placed on the former president's first amendment right to freedom of speech, particularly as he runs for president in 2024, would kick off a major constitutional challenge in court.

Last week, lawyers for Mr Trump wrote to Judge Chutkan, calling her biased against Mr Trump and asking her to step aside from the case.

It is unclear when she may issue a ruling on either motion.

On Truth Social, Mr Trump's social media platform, he wrote on Friday: "So, I'm campaigning for President against an incompetent person who has WEAPONIZED the DOJ & FBI to go after his Political Opponent, & I am not allowed to COMMENT?

 

"They Leak, Lie, & Sue, & they won't allow me to SPEAK?"

 

FULL STORY

They could revoke his bail: Judge Chutkan unseals Jack Smith filing alleging new Trump witness intimidation (msn.com)

Edited September 16, 20232 yr by FritsSikkink

I hope it’s granted of course he will break it and when he does straight to jail for a week if he does it again after that a month if he still can control himself then jail till trial just do it!

Anyone else would have been locked up a long while back.

 

 

Re: The proposed Prosecution 'gag' order:

 

It is FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant shall file any Opposition to the government’s substantive Motion by September 25, 2023, and the government shall file any Reply by September 30, 2023.

 

Date: September 15, 2023

 

TANYA S. CHUTKAN
United States District Judge

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.55.0_2.pdf

 

11 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

They could revoke his bail: Judge Chutkan unseals Jack Smith filing alleging new Trump witness intimidation (msn.com)

Yes, they should. But that won't happen, making all 'gagorders' toothless.

Push to Gag Trump Pits Free Speech Against Risk of Violence

By putting threats to the judge and prosecutors at the heart of its argument to limit the former president’s statements about the election case, the Justice Department raised issues that have little precedent.

 

There is little precedent for how the judge overseeing the case, Tanya S. Chutkan, should think about how to weigh strong constitutional protections for political speech against ensuring the functioning of the judicial process and the safety of the people participating in it.

 

“Everything about these cases is making new law because there are so many gaps in the law,” said Paul F. Rothstein, a Georgetown University law professor and a criminal procedure specialist. “The system is held together by people doing the right thing according to tradition, and Trump doesn’t — he jumps into every gap.”

 

“It’s a really hard argument in normal circumstances to say the government, who is prosecuting someone, can shut them up from defending themselves in public,” Professor Tarkington said. “What makes this backward from everything else is that normally, in every criminal prosecution I can think of, the power imbalance is that the state has all the power and the defendant has none. But in this case, you have a defendant who has very significant power.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/us/politics/trump-gag-order-free-speech.html

 

https://archive.ph/W7Hje

Edited September 22, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

On 9/16/2023 at 3:47 PM, FritsSikkink said:

They could revoke his bail: Judge Chutkan unseals Jack Smith filing alleging new Trump witness intimidation (msn.com)

Sure they could, and then have to deal with the consequences. If they have any sense ( debatable ) they wouldn't be that foolish.

Besides, are not jails already overcrowded, so where would they put all the secret service guys?

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

“It’s a really hard argument in normal circumstances to say the government, who is prosecuting someone, can shut them up from defending themselves in public,” Professor Tarkington said. “What makes this backward from everything else is that normally, in every criminal prosecution I can think of, the power imbalance is that the state has all the power and the defendant has none. But in this case, you have a defendant who has very significant power.”

and it scares them that they finally has a defendant that is able to challenge them on equal terms.

No matter how much they hate him, they have to bear in mind the millions of his supporters, and the consequences of going too far.

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sure they could, and then have to deal with the consequences. If they have any sense ( debatable ) they wouldn't be that foolish.

Besides, are not jails already overcrowded, so where would they put all the secret service guys?

I’ve said all along, Trump should have helped himself by pushing prison reforms while he has the opportunity.

 

As for these ‘consequences’ you refer too, is like the massive crowds of supporters who turn up each time  Trump gets ordered to show up at court?

On 9/16/2023 at 3:47 PM, FritsSikkink said:

They could revoke his bail: Judge Chutkan unseals Jack Smith filing alleging new Trump witness intimidation (msn.com)

and that would only increase his support and financial contributions, as has happened every time they come up with yet another attempt to cancel him.

I for one am happy that the forces of hatred are having to consider the consequences of any over reach.

 

This is getting very interesting. I wonder when the movie is going to come out?

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and it scares them that they finally has a defendant that is able to challenge them on equal terms.

No matter how much they hate him, they have to bear in mind the millions of his supporters, and the consequences of going too far.

I look forward to our discussions when Trump’s Georgia trial is being televised, we’ll both get to see who has the power.

 

 

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and that would only increase his support and financial contributions, as has happened every time they come up with yet another attempt to cancel him.

I for one am happy that the forces of hatred are having to consider the consequences of any over reach.

 

This is getting very interesting. I wonder when the movie is going to come out?

Just watch ‘A Few Good Men’, you’ll get the gist of it.

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and it scares them that they finally has a defendant that is able to challenge them on equal terms.

No matter how much they hate him, they have to bear in mind the millions of his supporters, and the consequences of going too far.

Oh I wish they would and if anyone is dumb enough to do something that’s great gets them out in the open and possibly off to jail with trump that would be great!!as far as the trust fund baby being protected in prison I imagine it would be standing behind some when he runs his yap just like he always had since infancy that’s how he’s got away with mouthing off all these years 

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Oh I wish they would and if anyone is dumb enough to do something that’s great gets them out in the open and possibly off to jail with trump that would be great!!as far as the trust fund baby being protected in prison I imagine it would be standing behind some when he runs his yap just like he always had since infancy that’s how he’s got away with mouthing off all these years 

What you are hearing is the impotent chest beating of the same people who were dazzled by, and I’m not joking, the ludicrous idea that Trump was anything other than a grubby, lying trust fund brat.

 

’There will be consequences’.

 

The kind of kitsch garbage that was printed on Trump’s NFT scam cards.

 

There will indeed be consequences, climb down from delusion and realization that one has been scammed isn’t going to be easy.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

the ludicrous idea that Trump was anything other than a grubby, lying trust fund brat.

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

 

Trump critics have long claimed that if the former president had simply taken the money his father gave him, stuck it in the S&P 500 and watched the money appreciate over time, he’d be far richer. But for years, those critics were wrong. In fact, Trump outperformed the market for much of his life, developing some great buildings, lucking out on a couple of other projects and capitalizing on a knack for marketing.

 

The result is that the oft-repeated, long-false claim that Trump would have been richer if he’d just stuck his inheritance in the S&P 500 has—finally—turned into truth. As of today, Trump would be an estimated $400 million richer if he had just put his father’s money in the index.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500

Edited September 23, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and that would only increase his support and financial contributions, as has happened every time they come up with yet another attempt to cancel him.

I for one am happy that the forces of hatred are having to consider the consequences of any over reach.

 

This is getting very interesting. I wonder when the movie is going to come out?

If it increases his support and contributions, more fool the idiots who are doing their dough. We can't have a legal system where it';s permitted the threaten judges and jurors.

 

Lock him up!

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

 

The result is that the oft-repeated, long-false claim that Trump would have been richer if he’d just stuck his inheritance in the S&P 500 has—finally—turned into truth. As of today, Trump would be an estimated $400 million richer if he had just put his father’s money in the index.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500

I’m not going out on a limb here, because I’ve said it before.

 

I believe I have a net worth higher than that of Donald Trump, as, I believe, does anyone who’s assets are greater than their liabilities.

 

Here’s a clue.

 

Billionaires don’t need to go begging for donations to fund their legal costs.

 

NYAG is seeking a $250million settlement against Trump.

 

I believe he’s upside down and won’t be able to make that payment without triggering a run on his properties and the loans that own them.

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

 

The result is that the oft-repeated, long-false claim that Trump would have been richer if he’d just stuck his inheritance in the S&P 500 has—finally—turned into truth. As of today, Trump would be an estimated $400 million richer if he had just put his father’s money in the index.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500

If you can't outperform the S&P in business you are a very bad businessman and hopeless at deal making.

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

In fact, Trump outperformed the market for much of his life, developing some great buildings, lucking out on a couple of other projects and capitalizing on a knack for marketing.

 

A knack for not paying contractors would be closer to the truth.

8 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

 

Trump critics have long claimed that if the former president had simply taken the money his father gave him, stuck it in the S&P 500 and watched the money appreciate over time, he’d be far richer. But for years, those critics were wrong. In fact, Trump outperformed the market for much of his life, developing some great buildings, lucking out on a couple of other projects and capitalizing on a knack for marketing.

 

The result is that the oft-repeated, long-false claim that Trump would have been richer if he’d just stuck his inheritance in the S&P 500 has—finally—turned into truth. As of today, Trump would be an estimated $400 million richer if he had just put his father’s money in the index.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500

Was the fraudulent Trump University just bad luck?

US controller groups have been able to hold Julian Assange captive and he's not even on US soil. I'm sure they can sort Trump out.

 

So much for freedoms. Just shut your mouths and do exactly as we say.

1 minute ago, TimeMachine said:

US controller groups have been able to hold Julian Assange captive and he's not even on US soil. I'm sure they can sort Trump out.

 

So much for freedoms. Just shut your mouths and do exactly as we say.

"US controller groups"

 

Follow the white rabbit.

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and it scares them that they finally has a defendant that is able to challenge them on equal terms.

No matter how much they hate him, they have to bear in mind the millions of his supporters, and the consequences of going too far.

Watch and learn.

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and it scares them that they finally has a defendant that is able to challenge them on equal terms.

No matter how much they hate him, they have to bear in mind the millions of his supporters, and the consequences of going too far.

Are you going to fly from New Zealand to the Trump courthouse and angrily stare at the police?

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

US controller groups

Take it how you like. I don't get to see them and neither do you. The faces behind Biden or whoever is President at the time. Do you think he does everything by himself?  Sorry I'm assuming a male. Could be female soon. 

Edited September 23, 20232 yr by TimeMachine

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not going out on a limb here, because I’ve said it before.

 

I believe I have a net worth higher than that of Donald Trump, as, I believe, does anyone who’s assets are greater than their liabilities.

 

Here’s a clue.

 

Billionaires don’t need to go begging for donations to fund their legal costs.

 

NYAG is seeking a $250million settlement against Trump.

 

I believe he’s upside down and won’t be able to make that payment without triggering a run on his properties and the loans that own them.

Maybe he can get a loan or 'investment' from the Saudis and MbS. Hey -- it worked for Jared K.

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe he can get a loan or 'investment' from the Saudis and MbS. Hey -- it worked for Jared K.

Simple, just promise to hand over US nuclear secrets to the Saudis.

 

Trump administration approved 2 nuclear deals to Saudi Arabia after Khashoggi was killed in Istanbul

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-approved-nuclear-deals-saudi-arabia-khashoggi/story?id=63492793

19 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Simple, just promise to hand over US nuclear secrets to the Saudis.

 

Trump administration approved 2 nuclear deals to Saudi Arabia after Khashoggi was killed in Istanbul

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-approved-nuclear-deals-saudi-arabia-khashoggi/story?id=63492793

I’ve kinda wondered if that has taken place already nobody is going to hand over 2 billion for nothing 

2 hours ago, TimeMachine said:

US controller groups have been able to hold Julian Assange captive and he's not even on US soil. I'm sure they can sort Trump out.

 

So much for freedoms. Just shut your mouths and do exactly as we say.

More conspiracy nonsense.