2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

A Trial in Trump’s Georgia Elections Case Will Start Soon — Without Trump

Oct. 4, 2023

 

The first trial may also provide clues as to how the former president will fare when his turn before a jury comes. And Mr. Trump’s Atlanta lawyer, Steven H. Sadow, will be watching closely.

 

(un-affiliated attorney) Mr. Adams said that in cases with many defendants and staggered trials, defense lawyers like him have the advantage of getting a preview, in the first trial, of the prosecution’s strategies.

 

“I’m sitting in the back of the courtroom, I can see what’s presented, I can see what the witnesses have said, I can see what their arguments are,” he said. “I get to tailor my defense and my arguments for when we strike up trial No. 2.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/us/trump-wont-be-on-trial-in-georgia-case-this-fall-but-his-presence-will-be-felt.html

 

https://archive.ph/wib1i

 

Yes, a preview is a big help. The evidence however will overwhelm his lawyers and is why he most likely will  be found guilty. 

10 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Yes, a preview is a big help. The evidence however will overwhelm his lawyers and is why he most likely will  be found guilty. 

Most likely, yes. But the evidence is not the only thing at issue in a trial like this.

Bad news for Trump!

 

Trump attorney Sidney Powell pleads guilty in Georgia election subversion case

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/sidney-powell-fulton-county-georgia-2020-election-subversion/index.html

 

Guess what her lawyers declared!

Her attorneys had vehemently rejected prosecutors’ claims that she orchestrated the Coffee County breach. They’ve said at pretrial hearings that prosecutors are “incorrect” and that “the evidence will show that she was not the driving force behind” the incident.

 

Hmmmm... Who could be the "driving force"?

 

On 9/30/2023 at 2:22 PM, jerrymahoney said:

That was a quote from Raw Story as to one reason a plea deal was offered. It doesn't say their was no agreement to turn state's evidence.

“Powell pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit interference with election duties. She was sentenced to six years’ probation, a $6,000 fine, $2,700 in restitution to the state, and is required turn over documents and testify truthfully in her co-defendants’ trials.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/19/sidney-powell-guilty-plea-trump-georgia-elections

On 10/5/2023 at 5:30 AM, jerrymahoney said:

A Trial in Trump’s Georgia Elections Case Will Start Soon — Without Trump

Oct. 4, 2023

 

The first trial may also provide clues as to how the former president will fare when his turn before a jury comes. And Mr. Trump’s Atlanta lawyer, Steven H. Sadow, will be watching closely.

 

(un-affiliated attorney) Mr. Adams said that in cases with many defendants and staggered trials, defense lawyers like him have the advantage of getting a preview, in the first trial, of the prosecution’s strategies.

 

“I’m sitting in the back of the courtroom, I can see what’s presented, I can see what the witnesses have said, I can see what their arguments are,” he said. “I get to tailor my defense and my arguments for when we strike up trial No. 2.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/us/trump-wont-be-on-trial-in-georgia-case-this-fall-but-his-presence-will-be-felt.html

 

https://archive.ph/wib1i

 

And as evidence and testimony against Trump are presented to the court and the cameras your lawyer can sit at the back of the court room and say nothing.

 

Trump will not be represented as these evidence and testimony are written into the court records and the public discourse.

 

When reached for comment, Trump, long-time Hitler admirer (true!!) responded:

 

"I did nazi this coming."

Meanwhile in Michigan, Trump’s fake elector James Renner has cut a plea deal.

 

I said at the time, committing a crime is one thing, signing your name on the evidence and submitting it to the National Archives is another level of criminal stupidity.

 

Cooperating witnesses give evidence against those up the food chain.

 

More to come from Michigan.

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/michigan-fake-elector-deal/index.html

 

 

Edited October 20, 20232 yr by Chomper Higgot

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And as evidence and testimony against Trump are presented to the court and the cameras your lawyer can sit at the back of the court room and say nothing.

I'm not sure why you said "your lawyer" instead of "his lawyer", but I'll say it once again:

 

I don't really care what is the outcome of all these criminal indictments and trials as long as Trump does not again become President.

 

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I'm not sure why you said "your lawyer" instead of "his lawyer", but I'll say it once again:

 

I don't really care what is the outcome of all these criminal indictments and trials as long as Trump does not again become President.

 

Sorry, it was the unaffiliated attorney whose opinion you introduced.

 

Your opinion on the point I made would nice to hear.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry, it was the unaffiliated attorney whose opinion you introduced.

 

Your opinion on the point I made would nice to hear.

What opinion? Ms. Powell has pleaded guilty. Chesebro per reports just yesterday has rejected a plea deal. So at least for now, a Trump lawyer could sit in the back of that trial if it stays on schedule.

Omg the crakin flipped lmao 😂 the walls are indeed closing in on poor old Donnie!

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

What opinion? Ms. Powell has pleaded guilty. Chesebro per reports just yesterday has rejected a plea deal. So at least for now, a Trump lawyer could sit in the back of that trial if it stays on schedule.

This opinion:

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And as evidence and testimony against Trump are presented to the court and the cameras your lawyer can sit at the back of the court room and say nothing.

 

Trump will not be represented as these evidence and testimony are written into the court records and the public discourse.

 

 

Six years probation?  Is this real probation, where cops up roll up whenever they want and demand a urine test and look through her things?  That's the way it is for everybody else.

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This opinion:

 

I did. At least as of this moment, the Chesebro trial is on schedule. He has per reports rejected a plea deal. If it does go ahead, Trump lawyers can sit in the back and hear the evidence presented against Chesebro.

14 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I did. At least as of this moment, the Chesebro trial is on schedule. He has per reports rejected a plea deal. If it does go ahead, Trump lawyers can sit in the back and hear the evidence presented against Chesebro.

And have zero opportunity to challenge any of it as it is presented live on camera to the nation.

That’s a loss to Trump who wishes to play this out in the court of public opinion.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And have zero opportunity to challenge any of it as it is presented live on camera to the nation.

That’s a loss to Trump who wishes to play this out in the court of public opinion.

As many court observers have written, the same evidence as would be presented at the Chesebro trial would be much the same evidence to be used at Trump's eventual trial. They just get a sneak preview. Not that they can challenge anything.

47 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

As many court observers have written, the same evidence as would be presented at the Chesebro trial would be much the same evidence to be used at Trump's eventual trial. They just get a sneak preview. Not that they can challenge anything.

Sounds just what a lawyer would use as a ploy. Lawyer speak, is just all it is. Don't be fooled as the overwelaming amount of evidence is going to be impossible to defend. 

Edited October 20, 20232 yr by earlinclaifornia

Another domino falling. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/michigan-fake-elector-deal/index.html

On 9/30/2023 at 6:40 AM, ozimoron said:

How close to Trump was Powell do you think? Plea deals will only be offered if the evidence is substantive and likely to result in a conviction for the target.

 

Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro to be offered plea deal in Georgia case

 

https://www.rawstory.com/sidney-powell-kenneth-chesebro/

Or, plea deals are offered (very routinely) ESPECIALLY when desperate over zealous politicized prosecutors OVERCHARGE cases.

21 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Or, plea deals are offered (very routinely) ESPECIALLY when desperate over zealous politicized prosecutors OVERCHARGE cases.

There’s no compulsion to take a plea deal.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s no compulsion to take a plea deal.

 

 

Why not...people do it all the time....even innocent, overcharged defendants. Why would/should Powell go bankrupt fighting bogus RICO indictment in corrupt dem Fulton county with misdemeanors on the table that can't even get her dis-barred in Texas.

 

Edited October 20, 20232 yr by illisdean

14 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Why not...people do it all the time....even innocent, overcharged defendants. Why would/should Powell go bankrupt fighting bogus RICO indictment in corrupt dem Fulton county with misdemeanors on the table that can't even get her dis-barred in Texas.

 

 

14 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Why not...people do it all the time....even innocent, overcharged defendants. Why would/should Powell go bankrupt fighting bogus RICO indictment in corrupt dem Fulton county with misdemeanors on the table that can't even get her dis-barred in Texas.

 

So she had so much proof that the election was stolen (failed to prove in every court case) she decided to take a plea deal, and plead guilty, even when innocent.  “She also recorded a statement for prosecutors and agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials.” quoted from AP.

 

This forum needs an alternative forum, where the Trump fan boys can continue to live the dream. Would keep the clickbait going. Could call it AQnon forum. There we can get rid of all facts and post whatever.

5 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

This forum needs an alternative forum, where the Trump fan boys can continue to live the dream. Would keep the clickbait going. Could call it AQnon forum. There we can get rid of all facts and post whatever

You seem triggered by something with your "AQnon" confusion? Does this have something to do with subject of the thread?  This the best you can do?

 

Care to share the reason for your butt-hurt?

11 minutes ago, illisdean said:

You seem triggered by something with your "AQnon" confusion? Does this have something to do with subject of the thread?  This the best you can do?

 

Care to share the reason for your butt-hurt?

It was you that implied Powell accepted the plea deal, but was innocent, straight out of the AQnon playbook. 🤡

 

Just pushing back on the falsehoods posted.

 

When you releasing the Kraken?

6 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

It was you that implied Powell accepted the plea deal, but was innocent, straight out of the AQnon playbook. 🤡

 

Just pushing back on the falsehoods posted.

 

When you releasing the Kraken?

Where did I say Powell was innocent, specifically and also can you provide a link or produce documentation of the "AQnon playbook"...I'll wait.

 

Paraphrase: "Why not...people do it all the time....even innocent, overcharged defendants."

I am only responsible for what I said, not what you think I said or want to hear thru a biased filter (maybe it's in this thing you euphemistically refer to as the "AQnon playbook".

 

This is the first I have heard the term AQnon". What is that exactly?

59 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Why not...people do it all the time....even innocent, overcharged defendants. Why would/should Powell go bankrupt fighting bogus RICO indictment in corrupt dem Fulton county with misdemeanors on the table that can't even get her dis-barred in Texas.

 

Powell’s a lawyer, she knows a good plea deal when she sees it.

 

I look forward to you proving evidence that the indictments against her handed down by a Grand Jury are bogus.

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And have zero opportunity to challenge any of it as it is presented live on camera to the nation.

That’s a loss to Trump who wishes to play this out in the court of public opinion.

Public opinion has Trump on an upward trajectory by all accounts. Indictments have not hurt him.

1 minute ago, illisdean said:

Public opinion has Trump on an upward trajectory by all accounts. Indictments have not hurt him.

He’s not been on camera in court yet.

 

1 minute ago, illisdean said:

Public opinion has Trump on an upward trajectory by all accounts. Indictments have not hurt him.

By all accounts?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Powell’s a lawyer, she knows a good plea deal when she sees it.

 

I look forward to you proving evidence that the indictments against her handed down by a Grand Jury are bogus.

RICO, that's your 1st clue. Read the GJ indictments, have a look at the Powell plea arrangement and ask yourself why the RICO case was dropped? Hmmm, how does all this tie Powell and trump in a criminal enterprise now without RICO. Check the toilet at the fulton county superior courtroom.