bamboozled Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Hi folks, flogging the dead horse here but: For Non-O based on marriage one of the documents is copy of marriage certificate. Do both husband and wife need to sign this? Wife is currently away and not available to sign it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I think you are both supposed to sign the copy of the marriage certificate. Maybe, your wife can email you a signed copy (you email her a copy, she signs it and sends it back). I think the consulate would accept that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Believe a short note from wife asking that you be issued a visa to be with her may also be required? The visa is based on visiting wife rather than being married AFAIK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 I've done this run a few times but my memory ain't great. I don't think I ever took a note from wife. And I can't remember who signed certificate. Makes sense it would be both but....they don't really specify on the visa page requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tod Daniels Posted October 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2023 Think of it this way. You sign everything with your name on it, she signs everything with her name on it. So you sign the copies of the data page or you passport, your lao visa, entry stamp, the application for the Visa and she signs her Thai id, her house book listing. you BOTH sign the copies of the Kor Ror 2 & 3 marriage certificates. Take the original rose border one with you so they can see the seal on it if they ask. Also there are more than a few confirmed reports recently of people who were denied the year-long, multi-entry, non-o visa because their thai wife wasn't there. Those people were sold only a 90-day single entry People are getting around this by having their wife right a letter addressed to the Thai consulare asking that the visa be issue 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted October 7, 2023 Author Share Posted October 7, 2023 The most annoying thing about the visa situation is the rules/no rules. There is what is written down on the consulate website or Immi website, but when you go there and speak directly, you get a slightly difference version. And come another day and get another slightly different version. That's been my experience. I've never brought my wife to Savannakhet and I've gotten 4 or 5 Non-O visas over the years. I just don't recall the signing thingy. Thanks Tod! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgMech Cowboy Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I am the only one who has signed the copy of my US marriage certificate (the original is needed to show to the clerk). I have carried one that the wife has signed, just in case, but have never used it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidneyw Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Went there last month. Both the misses and I signed the copy of our marriage certificate. No letter from the misses requesting visa. The misses was not with me and no request to see her. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decline Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Tod Daniels said: Also there are more than a few confirmed reports recently of people who were denied the year-long, multi-entry, non-o visa because their thai wife wasn't there. Those people were sold only a 90-day single entry People are getting around this by having their wife right a letter addressed to the Thai consulare asking that the visa be issue was this for Savannakhet? I went there last year alone with no problems but planning to go again next month.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andycoops Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 If in any doubt sign it, copy it and copy it again, always best to have backup when dealing with the fickle Thai officialdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LingonBerry Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Going also to Savannakhet soon and just to clarify this "signing" thing. Do I sign the same copy my wife has signed or will I sign my own copy. Also does it matter what Thai address I will write the application form? Just asking because my wife is running her business in other city where I am living. And lastly, planning to visit there on Wednesday or Thursday, which one is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/6/2023 at 4:44 PM, lopburi3 said: Believe a short note from wife asking that you be issued a visa to be with her may also be required? The visa is based on visiting wife rather than being married AFAIK. Not required for Savanakhet. I believe this was a requirement for the marriage visa from Royal Thai Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/7/2023 at 10:03 AM, Tod Daniels said: Also there are more than a few confirmed reports recently of people who were denied the year-long, multi-entry, non-o visa because their thai wife wasn't there. There has? Where? On this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 17 hours ago, kidneyw said: Went there last month. Both the misses and I signed the copy of our marriage certificate. No letter from the misses requesting visa. The misses was not with me and no request to see her. Thanks for a very recent and factual update. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, LingonBerry said: Going also to Savannakhet soon and just to clarify this "signing" thing. Do I sign the same copy my wife has signed or will I sign my own copy. You BOTH sign the copy of any document that has BOTH your names are on it. Otherwise, you sign the copies that relate only to you and signs the copies that relate only to her.. 39 minutes ago, LingonBerry said: Also does it matter what Thai address I will write the application form? Just asking because my wife is running her business in other city where I am living. It would best be the same address that is on the signed copy of your wife's Tibian Bahn (blue book). Otherwise it will appear that you don't live together, which has the potential to open a totally unnecessary can of worms. 42 minutes ago, LingonBerry said: And lastly, planning to visit there on Wednesday or Thursday, which one is better? Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 My wife's house book was Chiang Rai, her parents house. My address/our address is Chiang Mai. Never had an issue. As I understand it, unless a Thai person buys a house in his/her name, the house book will always be their parents house book. Which is the case with my wife. Hmm, I wonder what happens if one's family/parents never own a house but only rent. You wouldn't have a house book, I guess. And then what? It seems to be such an integral part of the mechanism in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, bamboozled said: My wife's house book was Chiang Rai, her parents house. My address/our address is Chiang Mai. Never had an issue. As I understand it, unless a Thai person buys a house in his/her name, the house book will always be their parents house book. Which is the case with my wife. Hmm, I wonder what happens if one's family/parents never own a house but only rent. You wouldn't have a house book, I guess. And then what? It seems to be such an integral part of the mechanism in Thailand. You should be on the rental house book - that many remain on parents is local culture (easy path). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Just get another Thai to sign her name on all the documents. They won't be checked and how would they know in any case? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: Just get another Thai to sign her name on all the documents. They won't be checked and how would they know in any case? They will check the signature on the documents against the original marriage certificate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: They will check the signature on the documents against the original marriage certificate How many Multi Entry Non O's have you applied for? About 6 in my case and done what I'm suggesting twice - never a problem. You don't need to be a master forger, just something close. People's signatures can vary a lot - mine never looks that same twice. Go pay for something using your Thai bank card using your PIN. The receipt will be handed to you for signing, even though in most cases the writing on the receipt states 'No signature required, verified by PIN'. Watch and see if they check that signature against the one on the back of your card - never! This is Thailand where things are rarely as they seem and requirements aren't actually required on the day Edited October 8, 2023 by MangoKorat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: How many Multi Entry Non O's have you applied for? About 6 in my case and done what I'm suggesting twice - never a problem. You don't need to be a master forger, just something close. Peoples signatures can vary a lot - mine never looks that same twice. Go pay for something using your Thai bank card using your PIN. The receipt will be handed to you for signing, even though in most cases the writing on the receipt states 'No signature required, verified by PIN'. Watch and see if they check that signature against the one on the back of your card - never! This is Thailand where things are rarely as they seem and requirements aren't actually required on the day I would suggest that when your paperwork gets to the back office there is a more attention paid to checking stuff, though picking on a signature is probably low on the scrutiny list. I have seen folk with a problem a few times on passport collection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, transam said: I would suggest that when your paperwork gets to the back office there is a more attention paid to checking stuff, though picking on a signature is probably low on the scrutiny list. I have seen folk with a problem a few times on passport collection... A problem concerning signatures? I doubt it. Obviously the OP would be better getting his wife's signature but he states that is not possible. Something close will pass. The Kor Ror 2 states that the marriage is still in place - that will be enough those officials that Do follow some of the rules. By 'follow the rules' I mean check that the required documents are in place, not their authenticity. And of course that massively important item in Thailand - the correct colour of ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, bamboozled said: You wouldn't have a house book, I guess. And then what? It seems to be such an integral part of the mechanism in Thailand. As far as I know, the owner's name is registered on the main page but those actually living in the house are also listed on the relevant pages. Those living there would also include offspring until they buy their own house. Many seem to never change their registered address. Edited October 8, 2023 by MangoKorat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: A problem concerning signatures? I doubt it. Obviously the OP would be better getting his wife's signature but he states that is not possible. Something close will pass. The Kor Ror 2 states that the marriage is still in place - that will be enough those officials that Do follow some of the rules. By 'follow the rules' I mean check that the required documents are in place, not their authenticity. And of course that massively important item in Thailand - the correct colour of ink. The best thing is not to guess what is thought to be "alright", plus the consulate is not in Thailand....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, transam said: The best thing is not to guess what is thought to be "alright", plus the consulate is not in Thailand....???? Actually it is.......consulates and embassies are classed as the soil of the country they act on behalf of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Just now, MangoKorat said: Actually it is.......consulates and embassies are classed as the soil of the country they act on behalf of Staff is all Thai at Savv........? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, transam said: Staff is all Thai at Savv........? ???? I think so. All the staff I met at HCMC were Thai - most were students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, MangoKorat said: How many Multi Entry Non O's have you applied for? About 6 in my case and done what I'm suggesting twice - never a problem. You don't need to be a master forger, just something close. People's signatures can vary a lot - mine never looks that same twice. Go pay for something using your Thai bank card using your PIN. The receipt will be handed to you for signing, even though in most cases the writing on the receipt states 'No signature required, verified by PIN'. Watch and see if they check that signature against the one on the back of your card - never! This is Thailand where things are rarely as they seem and requirements aren't actually required on the day You do realize Savannakhet is in Laos not Thailand so your comment about this is Thailand is pointless and incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, vinny41 said: You do realize Savannakhet is in Laos not Thailand so your comment about this is Thailand is pointless and incorrect Firstly, of course I know where Savannakhet is. Exactly the same applies at any Thai embassy or consulate - they are unlikely to closely scrutinise any signatures provided the documents are as required. Why are my comments incorrect - may I ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: Firstly, of course I know where Savannakhet is. Exactly the same applies at any Thai embassy or consulate - they are unlikely to closely scrutinise any signatures provided the documents are as required. Why are my comments incorrect - may I ask? Your making an assumption based on that you have forged signatures twice and your forged signatures went unnoticed should anyone else try it can their defense be well MangoKorat on the aseannow forum told me it will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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