Just now, Thorgal said:

 

1. Some facts have been made official, but taken back because of insufficient data at the moment of making it public.

example : IDF tweet of the hospital bombing

 

2. More details are available now and have been checked and commented by independent experts or the State representatives.

 

The question came from Mr. Owl Sees All, and his question is OK for me.

 

There's no suggestion of a conspiracy or inside job.

 

But if there was indeed an inside job then it's very bad.

If there was an inside job then it's even worse...

 

 

Can you be less opaque and tell us these facts, not into dodgy links and conspiracy theories though.

Just now, Neeranam said:

What have Israel got to gain, apart from land? 

I can't believe you wrote that..................😧

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Still waiting for you to say why it is antisemitic. Still reading it?

Still in the kindergarten cover your ears to the truth then.

 

Yea I was reading some more actually, the sick fake news they spread, US special forces being killed in Gaza last few days, the SAS telling media to keep quite about their presence there. No children or babies killed by Hamas on the 7th Oct. Has your rabbi friend read it yet?

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Can you be less opaque and tell us these facts, not into dodgy links and conspiracy theories though.

 

I only put facts down that happened on 7th of October and earlier.

This info is available from Israeli citizens or organizations.

 

You can conclude for yourself without accusing me to push the conspiracy agenda.

Which conspiracy theories did I post? Can you answer ?

37 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

For sure, Mister OSA

 

I've seen that day within the first 2 hours of the attack the first clips of the attacks on Telegram apps.

The Merkava tank blown and the 3 guys taken out of the tank.

The 2 IDF soldiers killed just outside the wall.

Killing of Hamas frogmen on speedboats and/or jet ski's by the Israeli navy : I think they were the only branch in the army that did their job as expected : eliminate any threat immediately without any delay.

 

IAF F-16's on low loader trucks taken away in emergency out of the region.

 

This separation wall is reinforced concrete of 6 meters high and 30 meters deep.

These walls have sensors an can provide signals to the operation center in case of intrusion. All personnel of these operation centers were (mostly) killed or taken as hostages.

Some 15 penetrations were made into the wall. None of these explosions created an alarm signal to the operators.

 

We have to believe that the Shabak (Shin Bet) domestic intelligence service didn't receive any tip from the whole preparation of the attack + any logistic information from weapons and/or equipment (tunnel equipment) and training (parachute glider etc...)

 

I didn't see within the first 3 hours :

- backup of Apache helicopters ; only after 4 hours with special forces

- backup of mechanized brigades : no extra tanks from outside conquered perimeter

 

Bonus :

 

- 01/09/2023 Israeli government confiscates all handguns from security people in the Gaza belt. Security people was against this decision, but they had to deliver their hand weapons.

 

- 10/09/2023 : Israeli municipalities received reports that there were predicted possible agitations with Palestinians during the coming Jewish holidays. They've asked for advice for the Gaza community belt to the IDF, but IDF replied that there was nothing to worry.

 

- 29/09/2023 : Egyptian intelligence director phoned personally to Netanyahu on +/- 29th of September that they suspected a near future large scale operation.

 

Summary : some 2.000 to 5.000 Hamas militia went within 6 hours with only AK47's, Para-gliders, pick-up trucks, motorcycles, handguns, RPG's, no tank  to kill 1.400 civilians and bring back some 230 hostages.

Yea ok Thorgal, now for the rest of it...................................

 

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9 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

 

There's no suggestion of a conspiracy or inside job.

 

But if there was indeed an inside job then it's very bad.

If there wasn't an inside job then it's even worse...

 

 

 

   That is very typical of how you operate .

Making an allegation in one sentence and then denying it in the next sentence and if someone calls you out on the allegation , you can deny it and say "I said no such thing".

   You have put the suggestion out there that it was an inside job and a false flag operation .

Why cant you be brave enough to say it outright ?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is very typical of how you operate .

Making an allegation in one sentence and then denying it in the next sentence and if someone calls you out on the allegation , you can deny it and say "I said no such thing".

   You have put the suggestion out there that it was an inside job and a false flag operation .

Why cant you be brave enough to say it outright ?

 

 

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He learns from his puppet masters on the Russian media he follows

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea ok Thorgal, now for the rest of it...................................

 

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This is a summary from all facts of the attack from page nr. 1 till page nr. 265

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

This was discussed much earlier in the topic, and in detail.

You've even participated in part of that.

 

Now you come back with you insinuations, and pretense this wasn't discussed.

Get under your bridge.

 

Can't recall there being any agreement on the actual break-out.

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

This is a summary from all facts of the attack from page nr. 1 till page nr. 265

Lets go through them then, let start with this one:

 

- 01/09/2023 Israeli government confiscates all handguns from security people in the Gaza belt. Security people was against this decision, but they had to deliver their hand weapons.

 

Link?

18 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What have Israel got to gain, apart from land? 

 

If they were interested in land why give up Sinai and Gaza?
 

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

This is a summary from all facts of the attack from page nr. 1 till page nr. 265

We are in the aftermath, Israel is sifting out Hamas terrorists, this is where we are, you are wasting your time with your continuos nonsense deviation stuff.

 

I am surprised you haven't been spoken to about it....🤔

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not easy? 

I'm most certainly not antisemitic, I even say a Jewish prayer befits I get out of bed each day. 

 

 

   God only hears it when Jews Prey , so basically, you are just talking to yourself in the morning 

5 minutes ago, proton said:

 

If they were interested in land why give up Sinai and Gaza?
 

They didn't want to give it up. Bit before my time but didn't they conquer the land during the 6 day war?

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Odd. You just claimed I peruse hundreds of your comments to find one to disagree with. How would you know this without tracking? Telepathy? Paranoia?

 

There were literally hundreds of posts made. You wish to claim you just randomly picked mine? Started one them same bogus arguments you always seem to do? Sure.... Or what...out of all them posts this was the most pertinent? Who are you trying to kid?

21 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

I only put facts down that happened on 7th of October and earlier.

This info is available from Israeli citizens or organizations.

 

You can conclude for yourself without accusing me to push the conspiracy agenda.

Which conspiracy theories did I post? Can you answer ?

Am I correct in thinking that you and your buddy were discussing it and don't try playing the innocent party here as you have had too many spurious posts removed, and they wasn't removed because they were truthful, stop being disingenuous. 

15 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

This is a summary from all facts of the attack from page nr. 1 till page nr. 265

 

Your definition of 'facts' is questionable.

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

They didn't want to give it up. Bit before my time but didn't they conquer the land during the 6 day war?

 Learn some history about the subject , its easily available online 

Just now, Neeranam said:

Interesting vdo, thanks, he has some valid points there.

What valid points would they be then? Does it fit in with your antisemitic agenda?

14 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

 

Can't recall there being any agreement on the actual break-out.

 

 

Oh, but you do recall it was discussed, then? Good.

 

There was plenty of information linked, presented and commented on.

Sorry if doesn't match your conspiracy theory nonsense.

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Am I correct in thinking that you and your buddy were discussing it and don't try playing the innocent party here as you have had too many spurious posts removed, and they wasn't removed because they were truthful, stop being disingenuous. 

 

Don't accuse me for conspiracy theories coming from me because of reasons...

 

Again, provide it with my posts, instead of suggesting that they were deleted. 

Almost the perfect crime of intention.

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Lets go through them then, let start with this one:

 

- 01/09/2023 Israeli government confiscates all handguns from security people in the Gaza belt. Security people was against this decision, but they had to deliver their hand weapons.

 

Link?

 

No need. What he does here is take something that did happen, but add a little twist with 'confiscate'. There was a move to limit the availability of weapons, as security needs were seen as sufficient, and other concerns involved (weapon theft, for example).

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No need. What he does here is take something that did happen, but add a little twist with 'confiscate'. There was a move to limit the availability of weapons, as security needs were seen as sufficient, and other concerns involved (weapon theft, for example).

You can provide  an approved  source link verifying  your statement ?

19 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

They didn't want to give it up. Bit before my time but didn't they conquer the land during the 6 day war?

 

Yes and could have taken Cairo if they wanted to

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Truth is Israel cocked up their security around Gaza, not knowing that Hamas were going to attack them as they did on the 7th is a huge security flaw by a Government elected to protect it's people.

Before anyone starts, yes I think what Hamas did on the 7th was a disgusting atrocity which is abhorrent to normal thinking people.

On the other hand Israel could and should have treated the whole of the displaced Arabs, Palestinian or otherwise a lot better than they have since 1948, turning the Gaza Strip into a virtual prison and controlling all the in's and outs of daily life was never going to end well, also the abuse in the West Bank is only making matters worse.

World opinion is changing towards Israel and the Holocaust card is getting a bit faded with many people, me included, the more I see and hear about what is going on now is Israel is doing that, yes what the Nazi's did was an abomination on any group/religion but that is not in the minds of many people now as it was 78 years ago the 2nd WW ended, you can blame a lot of that on education imho.

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No need. What he does here is take something that did happen, but add a little twist with 'confiscate'. There was a move to limit the availability of weapons, as security needs were seen as sufficient, and other concerns involved (weapon theft, for example).

 

In short : I'm right. The info given really happened and influenced the defense of Israeli citizens.

It's relevant info that wasn't posted earlier.

 

Confiscate : Thorgal added "a little twist" ?

 

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/confiscate#:~:text=%3A to take (something) away,duration of the field trip.

 

Quote from source : 

: to take (something) away from someone especially as punishment or to enforce the law or rules

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Just now, Thorgal said:

 

In short : I'm right. The info given really happened and influenced the defense of Israeli citizens.

It's relevant info that wasn't posted earlier.

 

Confiscate : Thorgal added "a little twist" ?

 

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/confiscate#:~:text=%3A to take (something) away,duration of the field trip.

 

Quote from source : 

: to take (something) away from someone especially as punishment or to enforce the law or rules

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Still no link to your claim and still no shame or apology for your blatant promotion of conspiracy theories........

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Just now, Thorgal said:

 

You're welcome ! 

 

More to come if possible...

Confirmation of more conspiracies, head to 4chan you'd be better suited there