In many villages you pay a monthly fee, part of which goes to pay for garbage collection. In the "village" (housing development) I'm in, there are signs posted that if you don't pay the fee, your garbage won't get collected and on the days the garbage truck comes, the security guy escorts it around to make sure they skip any homes that haven't paid their fees.

So the Italian guy was probably dumping his garbage in his neighbour's bin, which probably didn't smell any worse than it normally would have but was an excuse for a confrontation.

And supposedly the Thai man's son was in jail after a previous altercation - about the Italian man disposing of his garbage in front of his neighbour's house.
The Thai man said it was he who had punched the Italian but in court the Italian had produced a "drunken witness" that pointed at his son as the assailant and that is why the son was in jail.

You'd have to be really, really broke to not be able to pay your water bill. Sheesh, mine is rarely more than 75 baht a month and I use a fair amount of water everyday !

But I guess for some people, 75 baht a month would mean going without a couple beer and what the heck, it'll rain sooner or later and fill up the buckets !

17 minutes ago, damo1967 said:

I am totally on the Thai guy's side!  Seems the Italian wanted some 'friction' between him and his neighbour... people need to be careful sometimes what they wish for..  because often they get what they wish for.. haha.  This is a classic story.. dumb farang v seasoned Thai..  Thai all the way!!

what a silly comment, so you think it's ok for knucklehead thais to go hitting folks over the head with iron bars and murdering them.  

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"and had filed a case against his son leading to his imprisonment"

 

This has to be the real reason. It was a revenge killing and he made up the phony excuse of garbage disputes. 

 

First off it's hard to believe an Italian person would just leave trash outside until the smell was so bad it let to legal disputes. It's also hard to believe this would cause a Thai person so much distress since there's often trash floating around the sides of the streets and stinking food waste in markets etc...

 

What's not hard to believe is a Thai person taking revenge and not accepting responsibility for their family members bad behavior. What did his son do I wonder? That may be the most important part of the story.

It's not just a Thai thing... people lash out all over the world when faced with situations that they cannot remedy any other way.  It is a matter of building community standards and many communities have failed to develop any standards at all... Because of the Buddhist influence Thais believe that they have no way to "confront" others for disrespectful behavior and believe it is bad to do so... the mothers don't even discipline their screaming children which furthers the future bad behavior.

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

I have seen the behaviour of Thais in the local villages, I see it every day, Healthy living and hygiene both personal and in their homes are not top of their agenda

You should see the overflowing disgusting trash bins at my wife's place of work. They even let stray dogs <deleted> near the bins because that's a problem not worth fixing either I guess. These are Thailands most educated professional people and a massive company which employees hundreds of people nationwide.

 

I can not get them to care enough to fix the mess. They just don't care. Living with trash and dog <deleted> is a way of life in Thailand I guess. I seriously doubt that neighbor was upset with garbage of all things.

2 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If he stopped disposing garbage in front of the neighbors house he'd still be alive. 

 

Seems like a 'No Brainer' to me, don't antagonize your neighbors. 

 

I'd be angry to if the Italian did that to me

 

 

So would I, but would you kill him? What was the story behind the Italian's actions?  probably a tit for tat situation that got out of hand but you're right, don't annoy the neighbours, you'll lose in the end.

1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Hard to know, and the reality is violence often does ultimately   solve the problem (although not without consequences) hence "wars" not that I agree  with that but sometimes there is  no solution.  You can end up with a compromise when often one party needs to realise what they are doing is  unacceptable but it is hard to accept when told youre wrong.

 

 

Oh, how true also in regards to the recent conflict between Hamas and Israel

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If he stopped disposing garbage in front of the neighbors house he'd still be alive. 

 

Seems like a 'No Brainer' to me, don't antagonize your neighbors. 

 

I'd be angry to if the Italian did that to me

 

 

Here's a "no-brainer"...if the angry Thai prick didn't murder the Italian, he wouldn't be spending the rest of his sorry ass life in prison. Sounds as if you're somehow defending this vicious murder❓

49 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Not something to kill someone over though, is it, especially in the Buddhist Land Of Smiles.

Absolutely not something to kill someone over, not even close. However this sort of needless and unnecessary violence and murder happens especially here all the time in Thailand. 

They basically say it was a revenge killing but it's all in Thai so I may have missed something. They said last time the father spoke to his son in prison he was suffering greatly and he couldn't handle it anymore and that's when he went after the Italian.

 

This story has too many holes to make sense of. They said the Italian called the cops on his son because the son was harassing him or attacking him (something like that anyways) but it wasn't his fault. Oh really? What did his son do exactly? The police seem to think he deserved to be in jail.

 

Btw, they said the Italian lost trash pickup services and he was putting his trash in black bags and stacking them outside, hence the smell. Annoying and bad behavior for sure. If he had money to eat he could pay for some trash pickup. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Does this mean when I see Thais and the garbage they throw everywhere especially out in the  boonies I can justifably  carry an iron bar?

Sure, you can carry an iron bar anytime you want. It's the act of actually hitting someone with it that will get you in trouble... lol

34 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

In many villages you pay a monthly fee, part of which goes to pay for garbage collection. In the "village" (housing development) I'm in, there are signs posted that if you don't pay the fee, your garbage won't get collected and on the days the garbage truck comes, the security guy escorts it around to make sure they skip any homes that haven't paid their fees.

So the Italian guy was probably dumping his garbage in his neighbour's bin, which probably didn't smell any worse than it normally would have but was an excuse for a confrontation.

And supposedly the Thai man's son was in jail after a previous altercation - about the Italian man disposing of his garbage in front of his neighbour's house.
The Thai man said it was he who had punched the Italian but in court the Italian had produced a "drunken witness" that pointed at his son as the assailant and that is why the son was in jail.

You'd have to be really, really broke to not be able to pay your water bill. Sheesh, mine is rarely more than 75 baht a month and I use a fair amount of water everyday !

But I guess for some people, 75 baht a month would mean going without a couple beer and what the heck, it'll rain sooner or later and fill up the buckets !

 

That is a nice little story you completely made up in your head.

 

Wow.

This seems to me likely that it is more about the son being in jail. A thing you see often here, of a Thai getting really, really, pee'd off at the person that catches them doing something wrong, not about the fact they were doing something wrong in the first place

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Well said. I can't believe he is trying to justify murder for a lame excuse of smelly garbage..........even if it was true, which I doubt.

 

I've had Thais threaten to shoot me for beeping my bike horn at them. Murder seems to be the go to solution for even the smallest slight.

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If he stopped disposing garbage in front of the neighbors house he'd still be alive. 

 

Seems like a 'No Brainer' to me, don't antagonize your neighbors. 

 

I'd be angry to if the Italian did that to me

 

 

So you'd Kill him with an Iron Bar?

1 hour ago, Nabby said:

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

 

So the only sensible thing to do is beat your neighbor to death with an iron bar

Where did I say that?

 

 

If you are replying to me never fabricate the truth, I DID NOT SAY THAT 😠

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by SAFETY FIRST

19 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

So you'd Kill him with an Iron Bar?

 where did I say that? 

 

Why are you asking stupid questions? 

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by SAFETY FIRST

57 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Here's a "no-brainer"...if the angry Thai prick didn't murder the Italian, he wouldn't be spending the rest of his sorry ass life in prison. Sounds as if you're somehow defending this vicious murder❓

Where did I say that? 

 

You people need to get educated in English. 

 

If it's not your first language, use Google translate 

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by SAFETY FIRST

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If he stopped disposing garbage in front of the neighbors house he'd still be alive. 

 

Seems like a 'No Brainer' to me, don't antagonize your neighbors. 

 

I'd be angry to if the Italian did that to me

 

 

Here we go again ..... blame the victim.

1 hour ago, Udom said:

And you would kill him, right? That's your way too, it seems...

Is that the way it seems 

 

 

WRONG. 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Not something to kill someone over though, is it, especially in the Buddhist Land Of Smiles.

Absolutely not something to kill someone over, not even close. However this sort of needless and unnecessary violence and murder happens especially here all the time in Thailand. 

 

You can be killed over absolutely anything in Thailand. The Thais seem to have no moderation in their behaviour. Everything is done to the max, be it loud music, speeding, violence. Everything is black and white as they have never been taught or been able to think or talk things through. Add in low education, and the inability to reason leads to violence. Anywhere. It is the only way they know to express themselves. I'm sure though that is isn't limited to Thailand. We only read of such cases here because that's where we are. Much of the world is poor and uneducated. The human race really hasn't advanced very far.

16 minutes ago, traveller101 said:

Here we go again ..... blame the victim.

 

 

Where did I say I was blaming the victim? 

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If he stopped disposing garbage in front of the neighbors house he'd still be alive. 

 

Seems like a 'No Brainer' to me, don't antagonize your neighbors. 

 

I'd be angry to if the Italian did that to me

There's more to this than meets the eye - the Thai's son wasn't sent to prison for nothing.

 

Even if he was disposing of the rubbish outside the Thai guy's house - that is no excuse for murder, as I suspect, the Thai man will shortly find out.

5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

There's more to this than meets the eye - the Thai's son wasn't sent to prison for nothing.

 

Even if he was disposing of the rubbish outside the Thai guy's house - that is no excuse for murder, as I suspect, the Thai man will shortly find out.

Never said it was an excuse for murder. 

 

The Italian antagonized the murderer, like some of those replies to my comments above.

 

Bloody annoying antagonizers 

 

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by SAFETY FIRST

55 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Here's a "no-brainer"...if the angry Thai prick didn't murder the Italian, he wouldn't be spending the rest of his sorry ass life in prison. Sounds as if you're somehow defending this vicious murder❓

Nope not defending the murderer. 

 

Yep, you are right the Thai guy's going to prison. 

43 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

That is a nice little story you completely made up in your head.

 

Wow.

I've noticed this also. 

 

Members are making up nice little stories in their mind, that are completely made up. 

 

Then they see fit to antagonize because this little story they've made up has infected their mind. 

 

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by SAFETY FIRST

5 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Never said it was an excuse for murder. 

 

The Italian antagonized the murderer, like some of those replies to my comments above.

 

Bloody annoying antagonizers 

 

 

Nah....you said it. Clearly.

 

You seem to be another Thai bootlicker self-hating farang.

 

 

Moral of this story is  don't upset your neighbours especially if they are Thai 

Who more than likely resent foreigners being here in the first place 

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

If he stopped disposing garbage in front of the neighbors house he'd still be alive. 

 

Seems like a 'No Brainer' to me, don't antagonize your neighbors. 

 

I'd be angry to if the Italian did that to me

 

 

How much angry...enough to kill the neighbour?

4 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

Nah....you said it. Clearly.

 

You seem to be another Thai bootlicker self-hating farang.

 

 

You've made a nice little story up in your mind also I see. 🤣

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by SAFETY FIRST