UN warns of ‘blatant disregard for basic humanity’ in Gaza warfare

[CharlieH]

Top officials at the United Nations are warning of an “apocalyptic” situation in war-torn Gaza with “no place safe to go” for civilians, as Israel’s war with Hamas spreads into the south, where many had previously sought refuge.

“Every time we think things cannot get any more apocalyptic in Gaza, they do,” said Martin Griffiths, the top UN emergency relief official, in a statement on Monday. “People are being ordered to move again, with little to survive on, forced to make one impossible choice after another,” he said.

“Such blatant disregard for basic humanity must stop,” he also said.

 

 

Israel has been intensifying its aerial bombardment of southern Gaza in pursuit of Palestinian militant group Hamas and said over the weekend that it will expand ground operations to the whole of the territory.

“Intense battles” are still taking place in northern Gaza, where two Israeli soldiers were killed during “close-quarter combat” with Hamas fighters, the military said on Monday.

United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres on Monday appealed to the IDF to spare civilians from more suffering. “Civilians – including health workers, journalists and UN personnel - and civilian infrastructure must be protected at all times,” Guterres’ statement said, noting that despite evacuation orders, “there is nowhere safe to go in Gaza.”

 

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[Morch]

Wish the UN would have been as 'concerned' regarding the 7/10 attack. Or for that matter, not shy away from holding Hamas accountable, at least in part, to what's going on in the Gaza Strip.

[wombat]

Did Hamas start this yes or no?

[bradiston]

2 minutes ago, wombat said:

Did Hamas start this yes or no?

No. Israel started it years ago. Hamas finally snapped. Somebody moves in on your backyard and builds a house and kicks you out, what are you going to do? As an American, you'd shoot them dead, right? Right. Enough already.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

The Hamas attack on Israel was done for 1 reason, to derail the upcoming peace deal with Saudi.

 

They knew full well what would happen after that barbaric attack on Israel.

 

Of course it is always the civilians that suffer from what these sick greeedy leaders do, and there is enough of that on both sides here as far as I can tell.

 

Hamas needs to be shut down, and unfortunately as long as they keep using their citizens and hostages as human sheilds the death rate will continue to rise. Let's all hope for and end to this soon.

[bradiston]

Just as they did regarding Ukraine and all the other gross violations of humanitarian behaviour. The UN is a broken record. It achieves absolutely nothing. It's "security" council is anything but. A licence for the big boys to do whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, while it mouths platitudes and holds it's hands up in mock horror.

[animalmagic]

41 minutes ago, bradiston said:

No. Israel started it years ago. Hamas finally snapped. Somebody moves in on your backyard and builds a house and kicks you out, what are you going to do? As an American, you'd shoot them dead, right? Right. Enough already.

After the WWI Gaza became part of mandated Palestine, and a small coastal port (fishing, lighterage) was operated on the coast. When the Palestine partition plan was promulgated by the United Nations (1947), Gaza was assigned to what was to be an Arab state. That state, however, was not set up, and Gaza was occupied in 1948 by Egyptians. At the time of the signing of the Israeli-Egyptian armistice (February 1949), Egypt held Gaza and its environs, a situation that resulted in the creation of the Gaza Strip. Egypt did not annex the city and territory but administered it through a military governor. Gaza and its surroundings have continued to be greatly overpopulated by Palestinian Arab refugees.

During the Sinai campaign of November 1956, Gaza and its environs were taken by Israeli troops, but international pressure soon forced Israel to withdraw. Reoccupied by Israel in the Six-Day War (June 1967), the city remained under Israeli military administration until 1994, when a phased transfer of governmental authority to the Palestinians got under way. In 2005 Israel completed its withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, handing over control of the region to the Palestinian Authority (PA).

In 2006 Hamas, a militant Palestinian nationalist and Islamist movement, won parliamentary elections held that year for the PA. After its victory prompted international sanctions, violence escalated between Palestinian factions, especially in Gaza. Hamas gained control of the Gaza Strip, which Israel subsequently blockaded, and the group largely maintained its dominance of the territory into the 2020s. Since 2008 the Gaza Strip has been at the center of several conflicts between Israel and Hamas, which have had a devastating effect on the city.

[animalmagic]

43 minutes ago, bradiston said:

As an American, you'd shoot them dead, right? Right. Enough already.

Perhaps true to an extent, but I don't think even a yank would break into their house, kill men, women and children with indiscriminate gunfire, burnings and beheadings.  Nor would they use rape as a form of warfare or kidnap old women and young children that live there.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, wombat said:

Did Hamas start this yes or no?

NO

[Morch]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

No. Israel started it years ago. Hamas finally snapped. Somebody moves in on your backyard and builds a house and kicks you out, what are you going to do? As an American, you'd shoot them dead, right? Right. Enough already.

 

Maybe in your biased, warped version of things. Spin it as you may, Hamas did not 'snap', this was carefully planned quite a while ago. All this 'back yard' nonsense doesn't amount to anything much, just an oversimplification of things when one can't deal with complicated issues.

 

Current events are a direct result of the Hamas 7/10 attack. Attempts to spin, minimize and justify it are vile.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

The Hamas attack on Israel was done for 1 reason, to derail the upcoming peace deal with Saudi.

 

They knew full well what would happen after that barbaric attack on Israel.

 

Of course it is always the civilians that suffer from what these sick greeedy leaders do, and there is enough of that on both sides here as far as I can tell.

 

Hamas needs to be shut down, and unfortunately as long as they keep using their citizens and hostages as human sheilds the death rate will continue to rise. Let's all hope for and end to this soon.

 

This attack was planned at least a year in advance. Maybe the original motivators were different back then, I don't know. But with regard to the actual attack happening when it did - I think that there were several reasons - support among Palestinians going down some, Sinwar's position being on the line, and yes - regional (especially SA) trends towards normalization of relations with Israel while sidelining the Palestinian issue. In terms of conditions in the Gaza Strip it was not a particularly bad time (relatively, obviously). And as this was planned ahead, most of the PR stuff (saving Al Aqsa etc.) were more handy recent stuff, rather than 'real' issues.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

Just as they did regarding Ukraine and all the other gross violations of humanitarian behaviour. The UN is a broken record. It achieves absolutely nothing. It's "security" council is anything but. A licence for the big boys to do whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, while it mouths platitudes and holds it's hands up in mock horror.

 

And the alternative....?

[Morch]

51 minutes ago, billd766 said:

NO

 

No(nsense).

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

Perhaps true to an extent, but I don't think even a yank would break into their house, kill men, women and children with indiscriminate gunfire, burnings and beheadings.  Nor would they use rape as a form of warfare or kidnap old women and young children that live there.

I was referring to the Israeli settlers, not Hamas.

[bradiston]

37 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe in your biased, warped version of things. Spin it as you may, Hamas did not 'snap', this was carefully planned quite a while ago. All this 'back yard' nonsense doesn't amount to anything much, just an oversimplification of things when one can't deal with complicated issues.

 

Current events are a direct result of the Hamas 7/10 attack. Attempts to spin, minimize and justify it are vile.

Is that all you've got to say?

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Is that all you've got to say?

 

As opposed to your 'in-depth' comment?

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I was referring to the Israeli settlers, not Hamas.

 

No Israeli settlers in the Gaza Strip.

 

[placnx]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe in your biased, warped version of things. Spin it as you may, Hamas did not 'snap', this was carefully planned quite a while ago. All this 'back yard' nonsense doesn't amount to anything much, just an oversimplification of things when one can't deal with complicated issues.

 

Current events are a direct result of the Hamas 7/10 attack. Attempts to spin, minimize and justify it are vile.

Unfortunately the "current events" are a cure worse than the disease.

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, placnx said:

Unfortunately the "current events" are a cure worse than the disease.

 

I'm sure you think you meant something by that.

[WDSmart]

Concerning Isreal's retaliatory actions to the 07 Oct Hamas attacks and atrocities (which I do deplore), there are, IMO, two things that must be considered:

1. The atrocities Hamas committed on 07 Oct cannot be used to justify the retaliatory atrocities now being committed by the Zionist factions in control of the IDF in Israel against the Palestinian civilians.

2. This attack by Hamas did not come from nowhere. It is just a continuation of a 100+ year-long struggle between the Palestinians and Zionist Israelis for what is now called Israel (but what used to be called Palestine). And during that long period of struggle, the Israeli Zionist forces have committed every type of atrocity (murder, torture, rape, etc.) of Palestinian civilians, as was committed by Hamas on 07 Oct. 
 

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)   



 

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Concerning Isreal's retaliatory actions to the 07 Oct Hamas attacks and atrocities (which I do deplore), there are, IMO, two things that must be considered:

1. The atrocities Hamas committed on 07 Oct cannot be used to justify the retaliatory atrocities now being committed by the Zionist factions in control of the IDF in Israel against the Palestinian civilians.

2. This attack by Hamas did not come from nowhere. It is just a continuation of a 100+ year-long struggle between the Palestinians and Zionist Israelis for what is now called Israel (but what used to be called Palestine). And during that long period of struggle, the Israeli Zionist forces have committed every type of atrocity (murder, torture, rape, etc.) of Palestinian civilians, as was committed by Hamas on 07 Oct. 
 

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)   



 

Curious- what atrocities are being committed by the IDF? I havent heard too many tales of the gang rape of young Gazan girls by the IDF, nor the torture of children and elderly.  

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Concerning Isreal's retaliatory actions to the 07 Oct Hamas attacks and atrocities (which I do deplore), there are, IMO, two things that must be considered:

1. The atrocities Hamas committed on 07 Oct cannot be used to justify the retaliatory atrocities now being committed by the Zionist factions in control of the IDF in Israel against the Palestinian civilians.

2. This attack by Hamas did not come from nowhere. It is just a continuation of a 100+ year-long struggle between the Palestinians and Zionist Israelis for what is now called Israel (but what used to be called Palestine). And during that long period of struggle, the Israeli Zionist forces have committed every type of atrocity (murder, torture, rape, etc.) of Palestinian civilians, as was committed by Hamas on 07 Oct. 
 

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)   



 

 

More of your nonsense.

 

Apparently Hamas's actions are not to be used to justify Israel's response, but it's quite alright justifying Hamas actions in the context of Israel's. Also, according to your 'informed' comment, it appears as if until 7/10 the Palestinians did not wrong, ever. Even for someone as far gone as yourself, that's way out of touch with reality.

 

Also what are the 'Zionist factions in control of the IDF'? Another made up mumbo jumbo.

 

 

[WDSmart]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Curious- what atrocities are being committed by the IDF? I havent heard too many tales of the gang rape of young Gazan girls by the IDF, nor the torture of children and elderly.  

The atrocities that "are being committed" by the IDF are the killing of civilians and the destruction of entire blocks of buildings in Gaza. This has been done by rockets and artillery. There have been few IDF soldiers who have invaded Gaza (to my knowledge). The atrocities which "have been committed" by the IDF (Zionists) over the 100+ year period these two peoples have been at war include all the atrocities cited in my original post, which include murder, torture, and rape. 

[WDSmart]

11 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

More of your nonsense.

 

Apparently Hamas's actions are not to be used to justify Israel's response, but it's quite alright justifying Hamas actions in the context of Israel's. Also, according to your 'informed' comment, it appears as if until 7/10 the Palestinians did not wrong, ever. Even for someone as far gone as yourself, that's way out of touch with reality.

 

Also what are the 'Zionist factions in control of the IDF'? Another made up mumbo jumbo.

 

 

Morch, I wish you would read my posts more carefully before you reply to them.

I numbered my replies as: 1) Israel should not use Hama's recent atrocities to justify their actions now. And, 2) Palestinians have suffered similar atrocities during the long war with Israel for their country. 

I didn't say Hamas should be able to justify its actions now based on what it has suffered in the past anymore than Israel should be able to justify them. My point is they are BOTH guilty of atrocities in the past and currently, and BOTH are using them to justify their responses. 

The Zionist faction in the IDF are the leaders whose goal is the complete and absolute occupation of Palestine, and the driving out of all non-Jews, or at best tolerating them as some lower-class citizens.

[bradiston]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

No Israeli settlers in the Gaza Strip.

 

Who mentioned the Gaza strip? It's hardly the chosen spot for Israeli settlers, is it?

[WDSmart]

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Troll

Bkk Brian, You've called me this before, and before, I asked you what you meant by it. What characteristic of my posts makes you determine I'm a "troll" or I'm "trolling"? To me, it just seems like you assign that to posts with which you disagree
 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, WDSmart said:

Bkk Brian, You've called me this before, and before, I asked you what you meant by it. What characteristic of my posts makes you determine I'm a "troll" or I'm "trolling"? To me, it just seems like you assign that to posts with which you disagree
 

Anyone that attempts to compare those who are in control of the IDF with the terrorists Hamas are trolls, end of. Goodbye troll

[bradiston]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Anyone that attempts to compare those who are in control of the IDF with the terrorists Hamas are trolls, end of. Goodbye troll

You can't use "troll" in that context, ie stating an opinion you don't agree with. I can equally dismiss all your comments as invalid. You're gaslighting.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, bradiston said:

You can't use "troll" in that context, ie stating an opinion you don't agree with. I can equally dismiss all your comments as invalid. You're gaslighting.

Fine go ahead and dismiss my comments, this is not my first time with this poster, I know what a troll is thanks.

 

[Morch]

20 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The atrocities that "are being committed" by the IDF are the killing of civilians and the destruction of entire blocks of buildings in Gaza. This has been done by rockets and artillery. There have been few IDF soldiers who have invaded Gaza (to my knowledge). The atrocities which "have been committed" by the IDF (Zionists) over the 100+ year period these two peoples have been at war include all the atrocities cited in my original post, which include murder, torture, and rape. 

 

Civilian death and destruction are part of almost any war in carried out in urban settings. They are not universally labeled 'atrocities'. Same goes for Israel's actions.

 

A 'few' IDF soldiers? You knowledge seems to be lacking, there IDF is in strength at the Gaza Strip, and been that way for weeks.

 

You count of 'atrocities' seems to include only one side to this conflict.