Former President Donald Trump on Saturday suggested the Civil War could have been avoided through “negotiation,” arguing that the fight to end slavery in the US was ultimately unnecessary and that Abraham Lincoln should have done more to avoid bloodshed.

“So many mistakes were made. See, there was something I think could have been negotiated, to be honest with you,” Trump said at a campaign event in Newton, Iowa. “I think you could have negotiated that. All the people died. So many people died.”

The former president’s comments come a little over a week before the first-in-the-nation caucuses in Iowa, where he has a significant lead in the polls over his closest rivals, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.

 

The Civil War has emerged as unlikely talking point on the GOP primary trail. More than a week before Trump’s comments, Haley answered a question about the cause of the Civil War without mentioning slavery – the driving force behind the war. She has since backtracked, repeatedly saying she thought the fact went without saying.

Trump’s remarks were not made in response or reference to Haley’s.

 

 

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More meaningless noise from his mouth.he’s probably jealous of a real president like Lincoln,not the nft cartoon president that he is

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If we are moving into the realm of Trump’s fantasy war negotiations, I look forward to hearing his negotiating strategy with the Axis to avoid WW2.

 

Perhaps less of a negotiation and more of an alliance.

Dumber than a bag of rocks. Even in 5th grade we had heard of and knew of "the Missouri compromise" and other attempts to "negotiate" a way to avoid the civil war. And Trump supposedly went to an Ivy League school. How can a person do that and still come out more ignorant than a 11 year old?

4 hours ago, CharlieH said:

I think could have been negotiated

It would just be a matter of how many slaves Trump can have.

6 hours ago, CharlieH said:

See, there was something I think could have been negotiated, to be honest with you,” Trump said

Nah, don't try to be honest, it's not in your nature.

6 hours ago, Tug said:

More meaningless noise from his mouth.he’s probably jealous of a real president like Lincoln,not the nft cartoon president that he is

Do you have software that alerts you every time there is a thread about Trump? You are always the first and always post negative things about him.  

Trump would have stopped the war in Ukraine and Gaza, there's no doubt about that. 

He's not the greatest but much better than recent ones like the Bushes, Obama, and the present doughball who are all working for the Yankee war machine. 

15 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Trump would have stopped the war in Ukraine and Gaza, there's no doubt about that. 

How?

Alot he did to help the people along. All we here  is "I told you so" With these comments all he wants to do is stir the sh-t

44 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

How?

by loads of hot air as usual. By Nov more of the Maga diehards will have enough of his bs and stay home. 

They did negotiate. The terms were

 

1. No more slavery.

2. See condition 1.

 

The south didn't agree to the terms so war became necessary to free slaves.

22 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

by loads of hot air as usual. By Nov more of the Maga diehards will have enough of his bs and stay home. 

For the sake of climate change alone his "hot air" should be stopped immediately!

(and I don't care how! (legally I mean ))

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6 hours ago, Emdog said:

And Trump supposedly went to an Ivy League school. How can a person do that and still come out more ignorant than a 11 year old?

Trump did so poorly in the ivy league school that his father had bought his way into that he threatened the school with lawsuits if they revealed his grades to anyone... 

https://apnews.com/article/04f0236264e8427d9995e4de68e62729

Edited January 8, 20242 yr by gargamon

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If we are moving into the realm of Trump’s fantasy war negotiations, I look forward to hearing his negotiating strategy with the Axis to avoid WW2.

 

Perhaps less of a negotiation and more of an alliance.

In Trumps fantasies, the result of WW2 would probably have been the Nazi States of America, a colony of Hitlers Germany...

13 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

In Trumps fantasies, the result of WW2 would probably have been the Nazi States of America, a colony of Hitlers Germany...

    Sad to say, this is probably actually true.   He borrowed his Big Lie regarding the 2020 election directly from the Nazi Germany play book, with his preposterous Big Lie that the election was 'stolen' from him.  (Well, the lie does need to be BIG--that's the whole point.)  Even sadder, using the Big Lie can apparently still work with the brain dead.  In a recent poll, over 30% of Americans still believe Trump's Big Lie.   Also sad, as an American, that there are that many idiot Americans.  Lotta sad with anything to do with Trump.

Is there any particular reason the Civil War is being relitigated 160 years later? I cannot possibly see any reason for anyone to be asking about this. There are enough relevant and current issues to worry about.

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Is there any particular reason the Civil War is being relitigated 160 years later? I cannot possibly see any reason for anyone to be asking about this. There are enough relevant and current issues to worry about.

 

Yes. it's because Trump mentioned it in a campaign rally and did his little god act.

34 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Is there any particular reason the Civil War is being relitigated 160 years later? I cannot possibly see any reason for anyone to be asking about this. There are enough relevant and current issues to worry about.

Its to do with the predilection rightwing extremists, white supremicist and fascist within his base have for all things Confederacy, the Confederate Flag and the whole Lost Cause of the Confederacy thing.

 

The issue isn’t the lost lives, it’s the lost Confederacy.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Its to do with the predilection rightwing extremists, white supremicist and fascist within his base have for all things Confederacy, the Confederate Flag and the whole Lost Cause of the Confederacy thing.

 

The issue isn’t the lost lives, it’s the lost Confederacy.

 

Trump wouldn't have thought to mention it if Nikki Haley hadn't flubbed the question. This is Trump's "good people on both sides" type of argument, dog whistling to racists.

Yes I'm sure his wonderful white boys would have been very amenable to negotiate a pact with their slaves, perhaps they would have agreed to pay them $2 per year as compensation rather than have their labor be totally free. In Trump's world they may have even agreed not to violate their women. 

 

The one has to realize that these kind of comments are coming from the mind of a madman who is completely unhinged, and has no connection whatsoever with reality. He will say or do anything, truth, integrity, morality and honor are not anything that he deals in. He deals in lies, fabrication, fiction, exaggeration, deflection, dishonor, crime. He will say anything, whatever it takes to keep his devotees happy and make illicit cash. 

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Is there any particular reason the Civil War is being relitigated 160 years later? I cannot possibly see any reason for anyone to be asking about this. There are enough relevant and current issues to worry about.

Ahhhh…I think it has to do with the insurrection act the law that came after the civil war preventing people who tryed to destroy the United States from holding office 

7 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

How?

Same way Trump negotiated with the terrorist group Taliban. Give them unilateral Afghanistan's sovereignty without participation of the elected government in exchange for only the Taliban's promise to fight terrorism and committed to full US withdrawal that conveniently fell after the next US POTUS election. And Trump showed good faith by releasing 5,000 captured Taliban terrorists.

8 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Do you have software that alerts you every time there is a thread about Trump? You are always the first and always post negative things about him.  

Trump would have stopped the war in Ukraine and Gaza, there's no doubt about that. 

He's not the greatest but much better than recent ones like the Bushes, Obama, and the present doughball who are all working for the Yankee war machine. 

No software alerting me most likely just an accident in relation to my particular schedule.as for Trump stopping the Russian war on Ukraine personally I think he’s partially responsible for it with his stabbing nato in the guts at every opportunity the old war criminal Putin thought he could get away with it.as for being negative about trump you are absolutely 100% correct see above,the utter failure in regards to Covid the utter humiliation of our foreign policy (we are still suffering from that) his utter lack of regard for national security (the documents case) his attempted theft of the presidency and attempted coup so yup as an American citizen you are absolutely correct in thinking I have a negative view of Mr trump 

18 hours ago, Emdog said:

Trump supposedly went to an Ivy League school.

 

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attended the private Kew-Forest School from kindergarten through seventh grade.^[4][5][6] At age 13, he was enrolled at the New York Military Academy, a private boarding school,^[7] and, in 1964, he enrolled at Fordham University. Two years later, he transferred to the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, graduating in May 1968 with a Bachelor of Science in economics

from wikipedia.

 

In NYC if a kid gets into trouble with the law the class divide appears:  if the family can come up with $$$ they send him to a private reform school, which is spoken of as a military academy.  If the family is poor there are gov't run youth detention centers: if curious about these places, check out the fictional movie "Sleepers" (1996).  A cousin of mine got into a snowball fight that got out of control and bashed another kid up pretty bad, hospitalized bad.  Some uncles I hardly knew got the $$$ together to save him from a place like the one in the movie.

In the 2015/2016 campaign DT did say on several occasions that he "punched a teacher."  Well, a kid that punches a teacher gets sent to reform school, and IMO this could be why old Fred sent him to the academy.

DT is a few years older than myself, so I figure the school setup is as I recall:  private and parochial schools ran from first to eighth grades, and then on to four years of high school, grades 9 to 12 (no junior high/middle school).  So I think this transferring out in seventh grade could have something to do with assaulting the teacher.  But then again this whole tale, and the educational history reported, could be a fabrication.  Michael Cohen appears to have done a good job cleaning up his former boss's academic (heh-heh) resume.

Fordham?  I know a few people who went there, word is the Jesuits run a tight ship.  My guess is old Fred bought his way into Wharton because boyo couldn't cut the Jesuit mustard.
 

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Now here's the deal he actually believes that and by so doing he gets to write Lincoln out of the history books and the Trump Memorial will be in its place. Just like the way he stopped the hurricane with a sharpie. God made Trump.

 

All the wars including the civil war the US are involved in are about money. To get the public to accept them they have to appear to have a righteous cause. Usually bringing democracy to people that did not ask for it,In the case of the civil war it was freeing the slaves. The proof of this is in the treatment of freed slaves. The US is very good at getting poor men to fight for the rich man's money, goes right back to the war of independence.

Well done girls,  knew you lot would turn up, 

when the magic word was spoken. 

How predictable.

 

 

9 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

All the wars including the civil war the US are involved in are about money. To get the public to accept them they have to appear to have a righteous cause. Usually bringing democracy to people that did not ask for it,In the case of the civil war it was freeing the slaves. The proof of this is in the treatment of freed slaves. The US is very good at getting poor men to fight for the rich man's money, goes right back to the war of independence.

Bull sir.

On 1/8/2024 at 9:55 AM, Neeranam said:

Do you have software that alerts you every time there is a thread about Trump? You are always the first and always post negative things about him.  

Trump would have stopped the war in Ukraine and Gaza, there's no doubt about that. 

He's not the greatest but much better than recent ones like the Bushes, Obama, and the present doughball who are all working for the Yankee war machine. 

Stop the war, in Ukraine? Sure! By letting Russia overtaking it!

Remember:

"Within weeks, Trump praised Putin for how he handled the takeover of Crimea and predicted that “the rest of Ukraine will fall … fairly quickly.” Echoing Kremlin propaganda, Trump said in a TV interview that the Crimean people “would rather be with Russia,” a position he also pushed in private. One of his 2016 campaign aides falsely claimed that “Russia did not seize Crimea.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

 

Stop the war in Gaza?

Like he did with his so-called peace initiatives negotiated without involving the Palestinian Authority and Iran. What could have gone wrong? 😃

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Stop the war, in Ukraine? Sure! By letting Russia overtaking it!

Remember:

"Within weeks, Trump praised Putin for how he handled the takeover of Crimea and predicted that “the rest of Ukraine will fall … fairly quickly.” Echoing Kremlin propaganda, Trump said in a TV interview that the Crimean people “would rather be with Russia,” a position he also pushed in private. One of his 2016 campaign aides falsely claimed that “Russia did not seize Crimea.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

 

Stop the war in Gaza?

Like he did with his so-called peace initiatives negotiated without involving the Palestinian Authority and Iran. What could have gone wrong? 😃

 

But lying about the Abraham Accords, stretching them into “the dawn of a new Middle East,” and playing them up for an American domestic audience was emblematic of Trump’s larger failure. He threw America’s weight behind Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s squeeze-and-ignore approach to the Palestinians as if the fundamental problem of people displaced and living under occupation would just go away.

 

Trump officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moved the U.S. embassy there, breaking American policy since the 1979 Camp David Accords that treated the city as disputed, given Palestinian claims to a capital in East Jerusalem. Trump cut $25 million in U.S. support for Palestinian hospitals, and $200 million from the UN Relief and Works Agency, which has helped displaced Palestinians and their descendants since 1949.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-overrated-peace-plan-helped-enable-horrors-in-israel-gaza