Trump wins Iowa caucuses, cementing frontrunner status in 2024 race

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

From your posts, neither are you.

 

Goodness gracious me, your knickers really are in a twist.

 

The difference being, I dont claim to be super intelligent. Just smart enough to retire at an early age.

[pomchop]

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I am wondering when Trump acolytes will give up on the bullsh!t 91 indictments are all politically motivated and controlled by the Dems. It's double think when a lot of the witnesses in the various trials are Republicans.

 Try to convince a trumper that 99% of trumps legal problems are because he continually and consistently breaks the law...whether it is trying to overturn the election by threats to state government officials....all of whom were life long republicans who voted for trump and wanted him to win....BUT they were not willing to lie to claim fraud when there was no fraud.  Add to that all of his former employees in the cabinet and  west wing who he hired (only the best and brightest) who have come forth to testify over and over as to crimes they saw and heard being committed right in front of their eyes...not one or two but dozens ..and in addition to their testimony there is an absolute mountain of documents video and audio tapes that provide even more detailed proof of trumps total disregard for the law....only a trumper could watch a violent mob attack the capitol beating cops with american flag poles, spraying them with bear spray, chanting  to hang mike pence all the while their own republican congress cowered in fear and feared for their lives that it was just another tourist day at the capitol and of course trump sat and watched it all on tv and refused request after request from his top advisors as well as his own daughter to end it all. 

 

Now he argues that he has absolute immunity which may be the dumbest legal argument ever attempted.

Trumpers don't seem to get it that if trump were to win the absolute immunity argument that it would immediately allow Biden or any future POTUS to have political enemies imprisoned or killed; Including trump , their fox news heroes and anyone else he doesn't like.

 

And of course since old joe is an incompetent dottering old fool does it even occur to trumpers how dumb they sound to claim that ole dottering joe who can't find his way home somehow managed to convince all these life long republicans to testify against trump knowing full well that they will likely receive death threats for themselves and their families.  That old dottering fool joe managed to somehow rig the election in multiple states and not leave a shred of evidence of fraud in spite of 60 court cases many by republican trump appointed judges as well as investigation and recount after recount done mostly by lifelong republican...that is truly amazing that a dottering old fool could somehow accomplish all that....along with a booming economy, a massive infrastructure bill, lowering drug prices for millions and expanding health care to millions more.  Not bad for a dottering old fool....lot better than the real dottering old fool trump who sits around posting hate filled lies whining about how unfair it all is for him over  and over and over.  But of course trying to point out the obvious to a trumper is like trying to convince a flat earther than the earth is round.

 

 

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, retarius said:

What about Hunter Biden's laptop that emerged just before the 2020 election and was officially dismissed by the FBI, in a  now well publicised conspiracy, as Russian disinformation....

Can you remind me who was president in 2020?

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Goodness gracious me, your knickers really are in a twist.

 

The difference being, I dont claim to be super intelligent. Just smart enough to retire at an early age.

Obviously, you have never heard of selective intelligence. It's what one has when they are smart enough to retire at an early age. Supporting Trump is the antithesis of intelligence.

Did you enjoy the work  you did? I would still be working if I could.

[proton]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

 Try to convince a trumper that 99% of trumps legal problems are because he continually and consistently breaks the law...whether it is trying to overturn the election by threats to state government officials....all of whom were life long republicans who voted for trump and wanted him to win....BUT they were not willing to lie to claim fraud when there was no fraud.  Add to that all of his former employees in the cabinet and  west wing who he hired (only the best and brightest) who have come forth to testify over and over as to crimes they saw and heard being committed right in front of their eyes...not one or two but dozens ..and in addition to their testimony there is an absolute mountain of documents video and audio tapes that provide even more detailed proof of trumps total disregard for the law....only a trumper could watch a violent mob attack the capitol beating cops with american flag poles, spraying them with bear spray, chanting  to hang mike pence all the while their own republican congress cowered in fear and feared for their lives that it was just another tourist day at the capitol and of course trump sat and watched it all on tv and refused request after request from his top advisors as well as his own daughter to end it all. 

 

Now he argues that he has absolute immunity which may be the dumbest legal argument ever attempted.

Trumpers don't seem to get it that if trump were to win the absolute immunity argument that it would immediately allow Biden or any future POTUS to have political enemies imprisoned or killed; Including trump , their fox news heroes and anyone else he doesn't like.

 

And of course since old joe is an incompetent dottering old fool does it even occur to trumpers how dumb they sound to claim that ole dottering joe who can't find his way home somehow managed to convince all these life long republicans to testify against trump knowing full well that they will likely receive death threats for themselves and their families.  That old dottering fool joe managed to somehow rig the election in multiple states and not leave a shred of evidence of fraud in spite of 60 court cases many by republican trump appointed judges as well as investigation and recount after recount done mostly by lifelong republican...that is truly amazing that a dottering old fool could somehow accomplish all that....along with a booming economy, a massive infrastructure bill, lowering drug prices for millions and expanding health care to millions more.  Not bad for a dottering old fool....lot better than the real dottering old fool trump who sits around posting hate filled lies whining about how unfair it all is for him over  and over and over.  But of course trying to point out the obvious to a trumper is like trying to convince a flat earther than the earth is round.

 

 

 

As recent presidents go Trump is quite an innocent, eg LBJ war monger who cost the lives of 55k American serviceman for nothing, a corrupt crook taking backhanders and bribes, got his hitman Mac Wallace off on a guilty verdict of first degree murder- suspended sentence- in Texas! Allegedly had at least 2 people killed, a drunken sex pest and adulterer and very probably involved in, or at least knew of JFK's assassination, oh yes and another Democrat.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, you're a fan of the southern border being overrun, wokeness taking over our educational institutions, crime, homelessness, drugs taking the lives of Americans. 

 

Joe Biden is hardly to blame for all that stuff.  And if Trump were President, he wouldn't magically make it all disappear.  Everything you mentioned occurred under Trump's administration as well. 

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, you're a fan of the southern border being overrun, wokeness taking over our educational institutions, crime, homelessness, drugs taking the lives of Americans. 

 

How is that border wall doing after 4 years of Trump, how much did the Mexicans pay for it? 

Americans taking drugs is costing them their lives.

Tax breaks for the very rich don't help the people who are homeless.

[Danderman123]

New Hampshire is make or break for Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis. If they don't come close, they are done.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, proton said:

 

How could he be any worse? no way he will be running and if he did would lose to anyone, even American democrats have a limit in delusion.

The worse Trump looks, the more the Cult members launch insults about Joe Biden.

[candide]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

 Try to convince a trumper that 99% of trumps legal problems are because he continually and consistently breaks the law...whether it is trying to overturn the election by threats to state government officials....all of whom were life long republicans who voted for trump and wanted him to win....BUT they were not willing to lie to claim fraud when there was no fraud.  Add to that all of his former employees in the cabinet and  west wing who he hired (only the best and brightest) who have come forth to testify over and over as to crimes they saw and heard being committed right in front of their eyes...not one or two but dozens ..and in addition to their testimony there is an absolute mountain of documents video and audio tapes that provide even more detailed proof of trumps total disregard for the law....only a trumper could watch a violent mob attack the capitol beating cops with american flag poles, spraying them with bear spray, chanting  to hang mike pence all the while their own republican congress cowered in fear and feared for their lives that it was just another tourist day at the capitol and of course trump sat and watched it all on tv and refused request after request from his top advisors as well as his own daughter to end it all. 

 

Now he argues that he has absolute immunity which may be the dumbest legal argument ever attempted.

Trumpers don't seem to get it that if trump were to win the absolute immunity argument that it would immediately allow Biden or any future POTUS to have political enemies imprisoned or killed; Including trump , their fox news heroes and anyone else he doesn't like.

 

And of course since old joe is an incompetent dottering old fool does it even occur to trumpers how dumb they sound to claim that ole dottering joe who can't find his way home somehow managed to convince all these life long republicans to testify against trump knowing full well that they will likely receive death threats for themselves and their families.  That old dottering fool joe managed to somehow rig the election in multiple states and not leave a shred of evidence of fraud in spite of 60 court cases many by republican trump appointed judges as well as investigation and recount after recount done mostly by lifelong republican...that is truly amazing that a dottering old fool could somehow accomplish all that....along with a booming economy, a massive infrastructure bill, lowering drug prices for millions and expanding health care to millions more.  Not bad for a dottering old fool....lot better than the real dottering old fool trump who sits around posting hate filled lies whining about how unfair it all is for him over  and over and over.  But of course trying to point out the obvious to a trumper is like trying to convince a flat earther than the earth is round.

 

 

I think Trump supporters could be classified in two categories in relation to the big lie (and other lies too):

- those who are too dumb and sincerely believe It's true,

- those who perfectly understand It's a lie, but think It's a good political argument for their camp (or a good way to annoy the other camp).

I guess we have both categories represented on this board.

Edited January 17 by candide

[retarius]

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Vivek would be OK, Haley as VP would be a home run.

Haley is a warmonger. The last thing the world needs is someone like her with the codes to the nukes. 

[proton]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The worse Trump looks, the more the Cult members launch insults about Joe Biden.

 

Nobody needs to Insult Biden, they just have to look at him and tell the truth, no way is he going to be the next President, his embarrassing term of office is ending

[retarius]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

As recent presidents go Trump is quite an innocent, eg LBJ war monger who cost the lives of 55k American serviceman for nothing, a corrupt crook taking backhanders and bribes, got his hitman Mac Wallace off on a guilty verdict of first degree murder- suspended sentence- in Texas! Allegedly had at least 2 people killed, a drunken sex pest and adulterer and very probably involved in, or at least knew of JFK's assassination, oh yes and another Democrat.

Not to mention all of those terrible innocent Vietnamese who were napalmed, Agent Oraged and massacred....while the evil Mai Lai guilty servicemen got slaps on the wrist. Yes LBJ was a  great American that would fit comfortably into today's power structures. 

[proton]

7 minutes ago, retarius said:

Not to mention all of those terrible innocent Vietnamese who were napalmed, Agent Oraged and massacred....while the evil Mai Lai guilty servicemen got slaps on the wrist. Yes LBJ was a  great American that would fit comfortably into today's power structures. 

 

He was a great American criminal, worse than any mafia boss.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Goodness gracious me, your knickers really are in a twist.

 

The difference being, I dont claim to be super intelligent. Just smart enough to retire at an early age.

I don't think it's very smart to support a candidate who is a defendant in a rape trial.

 

Or a defendant who is charged with using his business to pay a porn star to shut up about a one night stand while his wife was pregnant.

 

If you actually thought about it, you wouldn't support Trump.

[Walker88]

9 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

2 million voters possible in Iowa, he certainly grabbed loads of them, ROFL

14% of the electorate turned out, and trump got 56,000 votes. Yes, it was a "landslide", but on an ant hill.

 

The historical record of Iowa's predictive ability is interesting. Past R winners of its caucus include:

 

Ted Cruz

Mike Huckabee

Rick Santorum

John McCain

George W Bush

 

Bush and McCain did become the R candidates, but only Bush won POTUS.

 

Iowa's record is pretty poor, and 14% of them voting tells observers next to nothing.

 

I di suspect trump will keep a lead in other primaries, but I also think his odds of staying out of jail are growing increasingly slim.

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, proton said:

 

As recent presidents go Trump is quite an innocent, eg LBJ war monger who cost the lives of 55k American serviceman for nothing.

The Lancet found that roughly 40 percent of the nation’s COVID deaths—as many as 188,000 people out of nearly 470,000—could have been avoided. 

 

This figure was attributed to various factors in the Trump administration’s response to the pandemic, including the downplaying of COVID, promoting unproven treatments, and de-emphasizing public health.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy

 

[riclag]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Drinking and posting don't go well together. As is evident in your hard to understand posts.

I learned that lesson in 2020 on here.

I got struck by the lightning bolt, it numbed me for 10 days.Glad that weather pattern left.

[Walker88]

9 hours ago, retarius said:

It imprisons, brings lawsuits and tries to cancel legitimate opposition. DOJ, FBI CIA and IRS are politicised and act in the interests of Biden and Democrats instead of being impartial, they prosecute opponents and ignore crimes and misdemeanours of Democrats.....you want an example? What about Hunter Biden's laptop that emerged just before the 2020 election and was officially dismissed by the FBI, in a  now well publicised conspiracy, as Russian disinformation....this put the story to sleep, instead of it becoming a major issue in the election which I'm sure you will have to agree, did would not have helped Biden win. Yes it's a banana republic all right, with the populations dumbed down and kept ignorant by TV and media which is all all establishment propaganda.

555

 

You have deep personal experience with any of those "politicised" (sic) agencies, or are you just parroting talking points from your "research"?

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the latter.

 

The agencies you note as "politicised" have a duty to chase down intel and threats. You really have no clue about the genesis of the Russia investigation, so I guarantee you are speaking out of ignorance. You also conveniently ignore the Republican-issued report on it, put out by SSCI when Republicans still controlled the Senate. I suspect you get confused by the term "collusion", which is not a legal term. The SSCI report noted lots of "cooperation" between trump's campaign and russia; in other words, trump knew Russia was trying to help him, and they took clear advantage of it, even having the Campaign Manager travel to Spain to meet GRU asset Kilimnik and hand him internal polling data. Kilimnik passed it to the Internet Research gency (a GRU entity) who them microtargeted voters in key swing States with fake stories about Hillary. The SSCI report also noted 14 instances of trump obstructing justice, and more than 140 contacts between trump campaign people and Russians---not a one was reported by any of the campaign staff who subsequently became Administration officials and were required by law to disclose the contacts on their SF86 security clearance application.

 

The agencies you mentioned would have been derelict in their duty to not investigate the intel passed from clandestine sources and liaison contacts. OTOH, now we have clown in the House claiming all sorts of malfeasance by Biden, but they can produce neither proof nor witnesses. One so-called witness has disappeared, as he was caught violating sanctions against Iran by trying to broker Iranian oil, and also trying to arrange arms sales to Iran. He is on the run from US authorities for his first crime, and from Mossad for the second crime. If he's lucky, US authorities will get him first, as Mossad takes no prisoners.

 

As for what the DoJ and Special Counsel have done, you actually think trump committed no crime? He declassified those stolen documents with his mind? Note he also lied about returning what he stole. Do you think he really believed there were 11,780 missing votes in Georgia? Oh, and for what purpose did he call his goobers to DC for 6 Jan 2021, Tweeting "It'll be WILD!"? What could be WILD! about a pro forma certifivcation of an election? Why did he encourage the goobers to march to the Capitol, if not to cause trouble? Why would he say "You have to fight like hell or you'll never get your country back"? What does that mean when the day was only a pro form election certification?

 

I think maybe you need to do a little more "research", and add some rational thinking to it.

[Walker88]

58 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I don't think it's very smart to support a candidate who is a defendant in a rape trial.

 

Or a defendant who is charged with using his business to pay a porn star to shut up about a one night stand while his wife was pregnant.

 

If you actually thought about it, you wouldn't support Trump.

Asking a trumper to think is like asking a shrimp to whistle.

[Danderman123]

It's really easy:

 

Trump wanted the rioters to delay the certification of the electoral results on January 6.

 

If you can't grasp that simple idea, there's little hope for you.

[The Cyclist]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

f you actually thought about it, you wouldn't support Trump.

 

And if you had read the rest of my posts, you would have seen I dont.

 

I'm only here for the comedy value when the 

 

 

 

Starts in earnest

 

 

[Walker88]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It's really easy:

 

Trump wanted the rioters to delay the certification of the electoral results on January 6.

 

If you can't grasp that simple idea, there's little hope for you.

Oh, you're being so UNFAIR to trump. SAD. (His favorites words and capitalization)

 

Don't you know the Capitol was having a special sale on logo'd coffee mugs and key chains that day? Certainly you can appreciate that with such deals, folks might get just a touch rambunctious when trying to get inside. Still, I think we can safely say they remained in good form and were just 'typical tourists'.

 

I do think it's unfair, however, that there were so many BLM people wearing White Face and stuffing pillows under their shirts to look obese, who were the source of all the police beating and vandalism.

[Lacessit]

Every Trumper on this thread focuses in on Biden, with adjectives such as doddering and incompetent.

They conveniently ignore the fact Biden surrounded himself with highly competent people. It shows in the economic data, and what his administration has got done.

OTOH, Trump hired toadies and yes-men, and fired anyone who tried to inject reason into his meetings. Then showered them with abuse after they were gone.

Only deeply insecure people behave the way Trump did. I guess his insecurity has gone exponential nowadays.

[Walker88]

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Every Trumper on this thread focuses in on Biden, with adjectives such as doddering and incompetent.

They conveniently ignore the fact Biden surrounded himself with highly competent people. It shows in the economic data, and what his administration has got done.

OTOH, Trump hired toadies and yes-men, and fired anyone who tried to inject reason into his meetings. Then showered them with abuse after they were gone.

Only deeply insecure people behave the way Trump did. I guess his insecurity has gone exponential nowadays.

As far as I know, Biden has yet to suggest nuking hurricanes, injecting Lysol to cure Covid, or used a Sharpie to put Alabama in the path of a hurricane that had no chance of getting there. I think also that either Biden or his staff check for stray toilet paper on his shoes when climbing the steps of Air Force 1.

 

Of course on the downside, I don't think Biden can declassify with his mind. He lacks those Carnak the Magnificent powers trump claims to have, because trump is, as you know, "like, really really smart" and "a stable genius".

 

Person Woman Man Camera TV.....I'm still in awe!.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Every Trumper on this thread focuses in on Biden, with adjectives such as doddering and incompetent.

They conveniently ignore the fact Biden surrounded himself with highly competent people. It shows in the economic data, and what his administration has got done.

OTOH, Trump hired toadies and yes-men, and fired anyone who tried to inject reason into his meetings. Then showered them with abuse after they were gone.

Only deeply insecure people behave the way Trump did. I guess his insecurity has gone exponential nowadays.

Biden is too old. His communication skills appear weak. This is for President. Emperor's new clothes and all that.

He may deep down have the skills but I can't see the electorate buying it. They'll ask how can we trust his judgement and vote for him if he himself cannot see he should not be running. 

I see his only chance if the opposition is totally damaged goods and I accept Trump may fit the bill. 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Vivek would be OK, Haley as VP would be a home run.

You can strike Haley as VP to Trump, she’s just turned on him.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/16/new-hampshire-debate-trump-nikki-haley

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You can strike Haley as VP to Trump, she’s just turned on him.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/16/new-hampshire-debate-trump-nikki-haley

Smart move. It was stupid of her to debate DeSantis in Iowa though. She would have been second in Iowa if she hadn't. 

[EVENKEEL]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You can strike Haley as VP to Trump, she’s just turned on him.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/16/new-hampshire-debate-trump-nikki-haley

Nothing is over till the fat lady sings.

[Walker88]

Despite the meager voter turnout in Iowa, a few trends did emerge.

 

trump performed well in rural areas among the poorly educated and churchgoers who seem to view the convicted sex offender and convicted charity fraudster as some kind of messiah, but in urban areas and the suburbs, he pulled a mere 25% of votes, where voters are more likely to be better educated. If that is a national trend, 2024 is likely to turn out like 2020, with another trump loss.

 

If that trend continues, he is also likely to hurt down ballot candidates from the R Party, as he did in 2020 and 2022.

 

Of course all of that is dependent on whether the guy with 91 indictments and a collapsing business even stays out of jail.