Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Yellowtail]

Just now, owl sees all said:

The US and UK protecting freedom!! just a joke.

 

The US is the world number one aggressor, and perhaps giving the nature of modern weaponry, the biggest threat to mankind since we (humans) first came into being.

Yes, the only hope for humanity is that Iran, Russia and China can stop them! 

[transam]

Just now, owl sees all said:

The US and UK protecting freedom!! just a joke.

 

The US is the world number one aggressor, and perhaps giving the nature of modern weaponry, the biggest threat to mankind since we (humans) first came into being.

Weeeell, you have just proved you haven't a clue, just a lefty.

 

What country do you come from, N.Korea.........🤔

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, niccodemi said:

What do you think that Israelis were doing when they were fighting to establish their own state?

 

   Those were freedom fighters 

[Jeff the Chef]

9638TH MEETING (AM)
SC/15710
29 May 2024
Special Coordinator, Stressing ‘All Sides Must Urgently Change Course’, Appeals to Security Council for Support of Gaza’s Political Future
Speakers Condemn Recent Strike on Rafah, Calling for Ceasefire, Unhindered Delivery of Humanitarian Aid
Briefing the Security Council on the situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian Question, the Special Coordinator for that region’s peace process urged Member States to support Gaza’s political future, work with the new technocratic Palestinian Government and develop a framework of its recovery, as many speakers, condemning the recent strike on Rafah, renewed calls for a ceasefire to enable humanitarian aid deliveries to the Palestinian people.

 

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15710.doc.htm

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I'm anti-genocide.

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   Everyone opposes genocide . 

No one is in favour of genocide .

You have no need to state the obvious 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

9638TH MEETING (AM)
SC/15710
29 May 2024
Special Coordinator, Stressing ‘All Sides Must Urgently Change Course’, Appeals to Security Council for Support of Gaza’s Political Future
Speakers Condemn Recent Strike on Rafah, Calling for Ceasefire, Unhindered Delivery of Humanitarian Aid
Briefing the Security Council on the situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian Question, the Special Coordinator for that region’s peace process urged Member States to support Gaza’s political future, work with the new technocratic Palestinian Government and develop a framework of its recovery, as many speakers, condemning the recent strike on Rafah, renewed calls for a ceasefire to enable humanitarian aid deliveries to the Palestinian people.

 

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15710.doc.htm

The meeting was called by Algeria for a new resolution vote: Here is some of the text:

 

Algeria on Tuesday proposed a draft UN Security Council resolution that demands a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, the release of all hostages held by Hamas and essentially orders Israel to “immediately halt its military offensive” in Rafah.

Algeria’s UN Ambassador Amar Bendjama said earlier Tuesday — after a closed-door meeting of the 15-member UN security body on Gaza — that the aim of the move was to “stop the killing in Rafah.”

The Algerian draft text, seen by Reuters, “decides that Israel, the occupying Power, shall immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in Rafah.”

 

I will wait with baited breath on Hamas to agree to release all hostages.

[Jeff the Chef]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The meeting was called by Algeria for a new resolution vote: Here is some of the text:

 

Algeria on Tuesday proposed a draft UN Security Council resolution that demands a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, the release of all hostages held by Hamas and essentially orders Israel to “immediately halt its military offensive” in Rafah.

Algeria’s UN Ambassador Amar Bendjama said earlier Tuesday — after a closed-door meeting of the 15-member UN security body on Gaza — that the aim of the move was to “stop the killing in Rafah.”

The Algerian draft text, seen by Reuters, “decides that Israel, the occupying Power, shall immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in Rafah.”

 

I will wait with baited breath on Hamas to agree to release all hostages.

 

What Algeria said at the meeting as quoted in my post, I like you wait with baited breath for some changes from the occupying power.

 

The representative of Algeria said addressing the crisis in Gaza without tackling the root cause — the occupation of Palestinian land — will not lead to lasting peace.  The Security Council bears primary responsibility in this regard and must fully implement all relevant resolutions, including resolution 2334 (2016) which states that settlements are illegal and a violation of international law. Meanwhile 800,000 settlers now live in the West Bank, terrorizing Palestinians, destroying their structures and “judaizing” Al-Quds and its holy sites.  Algeria will submit a draft solution urging the Council to shoulder its responsibilities, he said, calling for its support.  “Waiting for the occupying Power to voluntarily abide by international law and Security Council resolutions is pointless,” he added, noting that after repeated attacks on UNRWA and a failed attempt to discredit the agency, the occupying Power is considering declaring it a terrorist organization, thus removing it from the Occupied Palestinian Territory.  Warning against this move, he called on the Council to protect the Agency and for the Organization to support the Palestinians’ rights to an independent State with Al-Quds Sharif as its capital.

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

and “judaizing” Al-Quds and its holy sites.  

 

   Jews "Judaizing " Jerusalem ?

As Al-Quds /Jerusalem was 100 % Jewish before Muslims took over the land , it could be said that Jews are taking Al-Quds back from the Muslim invaders 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, niccodemi said:

Do you believe that once the shooting stops that Palestinians will just live happily ever after among whatever is left of Gaza?

As long as Palestinians in occupied territories don't get a viable solution in either own sovereign state or as citizens with equal rights to Israelis they are going to resist.

 

   Palestinians will keep fighting until they get what they want , that is why they cannot live peacefully on the land and that is why they need to be removed from the land 

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

What Algeria said at the meeting as quoted in my post, I like you wait with baited breath for some changes from the occupying power.

 

The representative of Algeria said addressing the crisis in Gaza without tackling the root cause — the occupation of Palestinian land — will not lead to lasting peace.  The Security Council bears primary responsibility in this regard and must fully implement all relevant resolutions, including resolution 2334 (2016) which states that settlements are illegal and a violation of international law. Meanwhile 800,000 settlers now live in the West Bank, terrorizing Palestinians, destroying their structures and “judaizing” Al-Quds and its holy sites.  Algeria will submit a draft solution urging the Council to shoulder its responsibilities, he said, calling for its support.  “Waiting for the occupying Power to voluntarily abide by international law and Security Council resolutions is pointless,” he added, noting that after repeated attacks on UNRWA and a failed attempt to discredit the agency, the occupying Power is considering declaring it a terrorist organization, thus removing it from the Occupied Palestinian Territory.  Warning against this move, he called on the Council to protect the Agency and for the Organization to support the Palestinians’ rights to an independent State with Al-Quds Sharif as its capital.

I read it, why did you think I had not? So I will continue to  wait with baited breath on Hamas agreeing to release all the hostages. They have refused every time so far with UN security Council Resolutions and hostage/poisoner exchange deals

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[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I read it, why did you think I had not? So I will continue to  wait with baited breath on Hamas agreeing to release all the hostages. They have refused every time so far with UN security Council Resolutions and hostage/poisoner exchange deals

 

Funny that, I wonder when Israel are going to comply with UN security Council Resolutions, they have years of catching up to do.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel#:~:text=Resolution 474%2C regarding the United,of the 4th Geneva Convention.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Funny that, I wonder when Israel are going to comply with UN security Council Resolutions, they have years of catching up to do.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel#:~:text=Resolution 474%2C regarding the United,of the 4th Geneva Convention.

Israel is not and never has held hostages that have been raped and abused, children, babies in dark tunnels in Rafah. Your link is also off topic, all bar two are from well before Oct 7th, the last two were impossible to comply with as Hamas refused to release hostages.

[Jeff the Chef]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Israel is not and never has held hostages that have been raped and abused, children, babies in dark tunnels in Rafah. Your link is also off topic, all bar two are from well before Oct 7th, the last two were impossible to comply with as Hamas refused to release hostages.

 

Maybe not in Rafah but then we'll never know because of a lack of International free press present.

Plenty of evidence at the Sede Teman facility in Israel though.

A CNN investigation has uncovered the horrors of a shadowy detention facility where Palestinian prisoners are blindfolded, handcuffed and forced to wear dirty diapers. Watch Matthew Chance’s full report.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Maybe not in Rafah but then we'll never know because of a lack of International free press present.

Plenty of evidence at the Sede Teman facility in Israel though.

A CNN investigation has uncovered the horrors of a shadowy detention facility where Palestinian prisoners are blindfolded, handcuffed and forced to wear dirty diapers. Watch Matthew Chance’s full report.

 

 

“Hamas has been holding our hostages in Rafah, which is why our forces are operating in Rafah"

Want the war to end?
Tell Hamas to free the Hostages and surrender.

 

[Jeff the Chef]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

“Hamas has been holding our hostages in Rafah, which is why our forces are operating in Rafah"

Want the war to end?
Tell Hamas to free the Hostages and surrender.

 

 

Great idea, but what then go back to the same situation as before 7/10, or will we see something else?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Great idea, but what then go back to the same situation as before 7/10, or will we see something else?

How can anything ever be the same, what a silly remark

 

[Robert Paulson]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, the only hope for humanity is that Iran, Russia and China can stop them! 

You know what China does in other countries? Invest in infrastructure. You know what the usa does? Builds a military base and ousts the leaders via coups and destabilizes the entire region. Again and again and again…

 

Also, anyone who doesn’t bend the knee to usa has false propaganda spread about them on the media. While Cuba, North Korea iran etc may not be perfect, they are far different from what we are told. 

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How can anything ever be the same, what a silly remark

 

 

You are joking of course, as you and others on here frequently say no war before 7/10 but as soon as I say great idea, as in release all the hostages in Gaza, then ask the question of what happens next if it did happen, go back to the status quo of before 7/10 then I'm being silly, give us a break.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

You are joking of course, as you and others on here frequently say no war before 7/10 but as soon as I say great idea, as in release all the hostages in Gaza, then ask the question of what happens next if it did happen, go back to the status quo of before 7/10 then I'm being silly, give us a break.

Nonsense, things will never be the same, fact! No matter how much you try and twist the truth.

[Jeff the Chef]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nonsense, things will never be the same, fact! No matter how much you try and twist the truth.

 

I agree with you on that, Israel lost the popularity vote there big time.

 

New data shared with TIME from the business intelligence company Morning Consult shows that support for Israel around the world has dropped significantly since the war in Gaza began.

Net favorability—the percentage of people viewing Israel positively after subtracting the percentage viewing it negatively—dropped globally by an average of 18.5 percentage points between September and December, decreasing in 42 out of the 43 countries polled.

 

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

[Bkk Brian]

38 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I agree with you on that, Israel lost the popularity vote there big time.

 

New data shared with TIME from the business intelligence company Morning Consult shows that support for Israel around the world has dropped significantly since the war in Gaza began.

Net favorability—the percentage of people viewing Israel positively after subtracting the percentage viewing it negatively—dropped globally by an average of 18.5 percentage points between September and December, decreasing in 42 out of the 43 countries polled.

 

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Israel didn't enter a popularity contest, it was attacked by terrorists, away with your lame off topic deflection. 😴 

[JemJem]

It is sad that around the world, overall, even in the mainstream media, now there is only very little talk about the hostages held by Hamas (and maybe also by other extremists). Where the heck is the majority of those hostages, is one question to ponder on. I think most people think they are being held in Rafah (in tunnels maybe or in so called safehouses or both), but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them have been taken to Egypt (consider the dozens of tunnels between Rafah and the Egyptian side). 

 

Also, just how many of the hostages are still alive, is another question. Some were probably killed by Israeli air strikes, some were probably killed in cold blood by terrorists at various times AFTER having been taken to Gaza, and some were killed on October 7 in Israel and then their bodies were taken to Gaza, as the  Israelis confirmed for some found  bodies already. 

 

I have a bad feeling that the no of hostages alive now is a very small number. I hope this is an incorrect feeling. 

[Hawaiian]

5 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

You know what China does in other countries? Invest in infrastructure. You know what the usa does? Builds a military base and ousts the leaders via coups and destabilizes the entire region. Again and again and again…

 

Also, anyone who doesn’t bend the knee to usa has false propaganda spread about them on the media. While Cuba, North Korea iran etc may not be perfect, they are far different from what we are told. 

China's investments in infrastructure are funded by Chinese lenders and built by Chinese companies using mostly Chinese labor.  In Pakistan, the new seaport and highway are part of China's New Silk Road (BRI). Now Pakistan is virtually bankrupt because they cannot service the debt created by these loans.  The same thing has happened in Sri Lanka. Both countries have appealed to the IMF to bail them out. These are two of the most glaring examples of what many call debt traps.

China has military bases in Djibouti and Cambodia and is negotiating with the Maldives.  They are also making a move in the Solomon Islands.

Also why is life in Cuba, North Korea and Iran different than we are being told and told by whom?

[Bkk Brian]

No outrage

 

8 Thai Nationals are being held hostage in Rafah. 

They have been held in harrowing conditions for 236 days. 

39 Thai Nationals were massacred on Oct 7th. 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jews "Judaizing " Jerusalem ?

As Al-Quds /Jerusalem was 100 % Jewish before Muslims took over the land , it could be said that Jews are taking Al-Quds back from the Muslim invaders 

 

Caring is sharing.

[Bkk Brian]

UNRWA facilities yet again

 

Tunnel shaft where troops were killed was in Rafah clinic, arms found in UNRWA school — IDF

A booby-trapped tunnel shaft that killed three soldiers in southern Gaza’s Rafah on Tuesday was located inside a medical clinic, the military says.

The IDF says that forces had come under anti-tank missile fire from an UNRWA school in Rafah, and in response launched a raid against the building and an adjacent mosque and clinic.

During searches in the area, a booby-trapped tunnel was discovered inside the clinic, which then exploded, killing three soldiers of the Nahal Brigade’s 50th Battalion.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tunnel-shaft-where-troops-were-killed-was-in-rafah-clinic-arms-found-in-unrwa-school-idf/

 

 

Where the hostages bodies were found..........scary

 

The IDF says it has demolished a Hamas tunnel network in northern Gaza's Jabaliya, from which the bodies of seven hostages were recovered earlier this month. The bodies of Ron Benjamin, Itzhak Gelerenter, Amit Buskila, and Shani Louk were recovered on May 17, and the bodies of Orión Hernández Radoux, Hanan Yablonka, and Michel Nisenbaum were recovered on May 23. All seven were murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and their bodies were kidnapped to Gaza, according to the IDF. The tunnel was demolished using engineering vehicles, mines, and other "technological means" by the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit, after the IDF ruled out the possibility of any more hostages being held in the area, the military adds.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Excellent news, a source of weapons now gone for Hamas:

 

https://x.com/criticalthreats/status/1795973017454969115

 

 

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[Hawaiian]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Excellent news, a source of weapons now gone for Hamas:

 

https://x.com/criticalthreats/status/1795973017454969115

 

 

Neutralizing Hamas is a slow, drawn out process, a job made very difficult and risky as Hamas is embedded in the civilian population with no concern for their lives.  Hiding out in schools and medical facilities is as low as you can go. 

Unfortunately, taking control of the border has antagonized the Egyptians.  Israel has no choice since Egypt has not been very effective in cutting off supplies and weapons to Hamas.  The IDF has been doing a good job of exposing how extensive the Hamas network is and destroying it piece by piece.