5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Absolute rubbish, I hate no one in this world.

I said anything, not anyone, please try to follow along. 

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

No, not at all, read and inwardly digest what I wrote.

You should probably do exactly that while reading my post. It contains facts.

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

To be totally honest I don't trust the majority of news media sites, especially where it's all about profits, kowtowing to owners etc etc, countries/states from whatever side only wanting their point of view published with no corroborating evidence from independent sources.

Top of the list for me - at least in the west - is CNN and the BBC.

20 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

Palestinians don't want a two state solution either, the reason the Israelis don't want a 2SS is pretty obvious, the reason the Palestinians don't want a 2SS is because they want Israel and the annihilation of the citizens of Israel. 

 

So reverting to my initial question to you, what should the Israelis do, lay down their arms and let the Palestinians kill them????? 

They could have agreed to Palestinian proposal during Camp David Summit in 2000.

 

 

15 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

They could have agreed to Palestinian proposal during Camp David Summit in 2000.

 

 

What proposal was that, that they agree to be eradicated? 

Off topic wiki lists removed for the second time @Jeff the Chef along with a troll post

21 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jews "Judaizing " Jerusalem ?

As Al-Quds /Jerusalem was 100 % Jewish before Muslims took over the land , it could be said that Jews are taking Al-Quds back from the Muslim invaders 

What year / during which period was Jerusalem 100% Jewish before Muslims took over the land?

21 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Palestinians will keep fighting until they get what they want , that is why they cannot live peacefully on the land and that is why they need to be removed from the land 

What is the issue with giving them what they want? By them I am referring to Palestinians not Hamas. There is nothing extraordinary in their proposal at Camp David Summit in 2000.

12 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

What is the issue with giving them what they want? By them I am referring to Palestinians not Hamas. There is nothing extraordinary in their proposal at Camp David Summit in 2000.

They want the eradication of Israel, and death to every Jew in the world, and then they want to move on to killing Christians. Yeah, what's wrong with that? 

 

What was their proposal at Camp David Summit in 2000? 

22 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

What year / during which period was Jerusalem 100% Jewish before Muslims took over the land?

570

20 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

“Hamas has been holding our hostages in Rafah, which is why our forces are operating in Rafah"

Want the war to end?
Tell Hamas to free the Hostages and surrender.

 

His statement contradicts Netanyahu's idea from few weeks ago.

 

"

Netanyahu said Israel would enter Rafah, which Israel says is Hamas’ last stronghold, regardless of whether a truce-for-hostages deal is struck. His comments appeared to be meant to appease his nationalist governing partners but it was not clear whether they would have any bearing on any emerging deal with Hamas.

“The idea that we will stop the war before achieving all of its goals is out of the question,” Netanyahu said, according to a statement from his office. “We will enter Rafah and we will eliminate Hamas’ battalions there — with or without a deal, to achieve the total victory.”

"

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a

 

Just now, niccodemi said:

His statement contradicts Netanyahu's idea from few weeks ago.

 

"

Netanyahu said Israel would enter Rafah, which Israel says is Hamas’ last stronghold, regardless of whether a truce-for-hostages deal is struck. His comments appeared to be meant to appease his nationalist governing partners but it was not clear whether they would have any bearing on any emerging deal with Hamas.

“The idea that we will stop the war before achieving all of its goals is out of the question,” Netanyahu said, according to a statement from his office. “We will enter Rafah and we will eliminate Hamas’ battalions there — with or without a deal, to achieve the total victory.”

"

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a

 

But its not weeks ago now, things move on, you've not noticed?

Off topic history post removed that was well over fair use policy. This topic is for day to day updates.

38 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

His statement contradicts Netanyahu's idea from few weeks ago.

 

"

Netanyahu said Israel would enter Rafah, which Israel says is Hamas’ last stronghold, regardless of whether a truce-for-hostages deal is struck. His comments appeared to be meant to appease his nationalist governing partners but it was not clear whether they would have any bearing on any emerging deal with Hamas.

“The idea that we will stop the war before achieving all of its goals is out of the question,” Netanyahu said, according to a statement from his office. “We will enter Rafah and we will eliminate Hamas’ battalions there — with or without a deal, to achieve the total victory.”

"

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a

 

It does not contradict Netanyahu's statement. 

 

Hamas freeing the hostages and surrendering is not the same as a truce for hostage deal. Can you really not tell the difference or are you just lying like all the other Hamas supporters? 

13 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Drip, drip, drip, still fills the bucket.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see The Don changing anything after his election.

I think he'll be worse for the Palestinians. Hopefully it will all be over before he can join in the atrocities. I don't see how it can continue till January next year.

Hamas don't want to end it. Prove me wrong Hamas

 

 

‘Time for this war to end’: Biden tells Hamas to accept Israel’s hostage-ceasefire offer

Declaring that it is “time for this war to end,” US President Joe Biden gave a high-stakes speech Friday, presenting what he said was the latest Israeli proposal for a hostage deal and ceasefire to end the Israel-Hamas war, and calling on the terror group to accept the offer.

The Israeli proposal was submitted on Thursday to Hamas via Qatar, Biden revealed, saying the offer would “bring all the hostages home, ensure Israel’s security, create a better day after in Gaza without Hamas in power, and set the stage for a political settlement that provides a better future for Israelis and Palestinians alike.”

Biden laid out the details of three phases, with particular emphasis on the first six-week phase, which was largely similar to the framework that was discussed in previous rounds of negotiations but included new conditions detailed by the president for the first time.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/time-for-this-war-to-end-biden-tells-hamas-to-accept-israels-hostage-ceasefire-offer/

 

 

 

Sadistic motherfuc*ers Hamas just released audio of Noa Argamani, pleading for her life.

 

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1796553449942712609

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hamas don't want to end it. Prove me wrong Hamas

 

 

‘Time for this war to end’: Biden tells Hamas to accept Israel’s hostage-ceasefire offer

Declaring that it is “time for this war to end,” US President Joe Biden gave a high-stakes speech Friday, presenting what he said was the latest Israeli proposal for a hostage deal and ceasefire to end the Israel-Hamas war, and calling on the terror group to accept the offer.

The Israeli proposal was submitted on Thursday to Hamas via Qatar, Biden revealed, saying the offer would “bring all the hostages home, ensure Israel’s security, create a better day after in Gaza without Hamas in power, and set the stage for a political settlement that provides a better future for Israelis and Palestinians alike.”

Biden laid out the details of three phases, with particular emphasis on the first six-week phase, which was largely similar to the framework that was discussed in previous rounds of negotiations but included new conditions detailed by the president for the first time.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/time-for-this-war-to-end-biden-tells-hamas-to-accept-israels-hostage-ceasefire-offer/

 

 

 

 

Hamas welcomed US President Joe Biden’s call on Friday for Israel and the group to agree to a three-phased hostage deal leading to a permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

 

“The Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas views positively what was included in US President Joe Biden’s speech today,” the group said in a statement.

 

On Friday, Biden called on Israel and Hamas to accept a three-phase deal which includes the release of hostages in Gaza, the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the enclave, a permanent ceasefire, and an exchange of prisoners.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-views-israel-ceasefire-proposal-positively-group-says-after-bidens-speech

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Hamas welcomed US President Joe Biden’s call on Friday for Israel and the group to agree to a three-phased hostage deal leading to a permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

 

“The Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas views positively what was included in US President Joe Biden’s speech today,” the group said in a statement.

 

On Friday, Biden called on Israel and Hamas to accept a three-phase deal which includes the release of hostages in Gaza, the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the enclave, a permanent ceasefire, and an exchange of prisoners.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-views-israel-ceasefire-proposal-positively-group-says-after-bidens-speech

Wow the terrorist supporting MEE. Their X account loves to show off Hamas terrorists attacking and killing IDF

 

Hamas also welcomed the decision by ICJ but never released any hostages. Like I said prove me wrong Hamas

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wow the terrorist supporting MEE. Their X account loves to show off Hamas terrorists attacking and killing IDF

 

Hamas also welcomed the decision by ICJ but never released any hostages. Like I said prove me wrong Hamas

 

I think it's about time we all agree to stop putting the 2 sides accusations of the main protagonists aside and support the deal as it does appear to be some sort of progress towards a ceasefire.

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I think it's about time we all agree to stop putting the 2 sides accusations of the main protagonists aside and support the deal as it does appear to be some sort of progress towards a ceasefire.

Lame. 2 sides accusations? Its a fact Hamas has refused every deal so far, its a fact Hamas welcomed the ICJ ruling but ignored it and did not release the hostages.

 

"Hamas needs to take the deal. For months, people all over the world have called for a ceasefire. Now it’s time to raise your voices and to demand that Hasa- — Hamas come to the table, agrees to this deal, and ends this war that they began."

 

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Lame. 2 sides accusations? Its a fact Hamas has refused every deal so far, its a fact Hamas welcomed the ICJ ruling but ignored it and did not release the hostages.

 

"Hamas needs to take the deal. For months, people all over the world have called for a ceasefire. Now it’s time to raise your voices and to demand that Hasa- — Hamas come to the table, agrees to this deal, and ends this war that they began."

 

 

So Brian you're not interested in any sort of moratorium on a ceasefire where you cannot blame Hamas at every opportunity? 

And yes, I know who started it on the 7/10.

The deal needs to be sorted for humanities sake and I was trying to be positive, so is it in your opinion I am wasting my time?

16 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So Brian you're not interested in any sort of moratorium on a ceasefire where you cannot blame Hamas at every opportunity? 

And yes, I know who started it on the 7/10.

The deal needs to be sorted for humanities sake and I was trying to be positive, so is it in your opinion I am wasting my time?

I was quoting the initiator of the new proposals, Biden. The deal maker. 

 

He also said:

 

"Israel will always have the right to defend itself against the threats to its security and to bring those responsible for October 7th to justice. And the United States will always ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself. If Hamas fails to fulfill its commitments under the deal, Israel can resume military operations."

 

Yes the deal needs to be sorted, I have made dozens of posts on this already, only one group has stopped it, Hamas, that is a fact. Hence why I made clear "Hamas prove me wrong" I would love to be proved wrong and a deal happen. Hamas will never get a pass from me on this, I will always detest terrorists for what they've done. 

 

You can stop making things up now: "so is it in your opinion I am wasting my time?"

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I was quoting the initiator of the new proposals, Biden. The deal maker. 

 

He also said:

 

"Israel will always have the right to defend itself against the threats to its security and to bring those responsible for October 7th to justice. And the United States will always ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself. If Hamas fails to fulfill its commitments under the deal, Israel can resume military operations."

 

Yes the deal needs to be sorted, I have made dozens of posts on this already, only one group has stopped it, Hamas, that is a fact. Hence why I made clear "Hamas prove me wrong" I would love to be proved wrong and a deal happen. Hamas will never get a pass from me on this, I will always detest terrorists for what they've done. 

 

You can stop making things up now: "so is it in your opinion I am wasting my time?"

 

Not making anything up, I felt I was agreeing with you that this needs sorting as it stands now, but it looks to me as if you still want to go tit for tat on the whole situation, can we agree to something along the lines of reconciliation between both sides and stop all the bickering on here?

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Not making anything up, I felt I was agreeing with you that this needs sorting as it stands now, but it looks to me as if you still want to go tit for tat on the whole situation, can we agree to something along the lines of reconciliation between both sides and stop all the bickering on here?

So you agree that all those responsible for Oct 7th need to either be eliminated or surrender?

 

You agree that Hamas can never be a threat again to the security of Israel?

 

You agree it was Hamas prolonging this war for the last few months because they refused a deal?

 

You agree the terrorists are still holding innocent hostages and are being rewarded for their efforts?

 

You agree that every life taken in Gaza has been because of Hamas?

I would not support any ceasefire agreement that did not mandate the release of all hostages on the first day. 

30 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I would not support any ceasefire agreement that did not mandate the release of all hostages on the first day. 

I don't think the deal if agreed will get past phase 1. Hamas would be allowed to retain the bodies of murdered hostages for years, till after the rebuilding of Gaza. A kick in the teeth for the families and Israel who only a week or so ago managed to find 7 dead bodies in tunnels. More details on it here

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1328720-biden-pushes-for-end-to-israel-hamas-war-with-new-ceasefire-proposal/

 

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't think the deal if agreed will get past phase 1. Hamas would be allowed to retain the bodies of murdered hostages for years, till after the rebuilding of Gaza. A kick in the teeth for the families and Israel who only a week or so ago managed to find 7 dead bodies in tunnels. More details on it here

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1328720-biden-pushes-for-end-to-israel-hamas-war-with-new-ceasefire-proposal/

 

Hamas wants a ceasefire that costs them nothing and allows then to claim victory. 

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4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

So you agree that all those responsible for Oct 7th need to either be eliminated or surrender?

 

I agree, as long as those who surrender are tried and sentenced in a court of law and not summarily executed by Israel with no trial.

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

You agree that Hamas can never be a threat again to the security of Israel?

If that is ever a possibility, yes.

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

You agree it was Hamas prolonging this war for the last few months because they refused a deal?

That is not for me to agree to, mainly because I will always disagree that the conduct of Israel for years has never helped the situation. You know full well I am biting my tongue on the reasons why Hamas did what they did on 7/10, I agree it is difficult for you to accept that this all started without any provocation from Israel.

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

You agree the terrorists are still holding innocent hostages and are being rewarded for their efforts?

I agree they are holding hostages, including innocent civilians. As far as being rewarded goes, not so much, unless there is some arrangement with the Israeli's to agree to this ceasefire there is nothing rewarding.

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

You agree that every life taken in Gaza has been because of Hamas?

Now that is a big ask, can we leave that one on the table for now?