Foreigners among World Central Kitchen staff killed in Israeli strike

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

US President Joe Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the deaths and said he had spoken to WCK founder Jose Andres.

"Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately needed help to civilians," he said.

"Incidents like yesterday's simply should not happen. Israel has also not done enough to protect civilians."

He said an Israeli investigation "must be swift, it must bring accountability and its findings must be made public".

Having the israelis investigate it is like asking a fox to investigate who killed the chickens, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

The Israelis just have shown by the precise destruction of the Iranian consulate that they are capable of doing that .

It looks like the strike on the World Central Kitchen was such a targeted strike as well ...?

We will never know , because they would never admit it .

The strike on the vehicle with the hole in the roof was absolutely targeted. A missile was aimed at the vehicle and fired with pinpoint accuracy. It entered through the roof and left an entry hole. It killed everyone in the vehicle.

Images as seen on Al Jazeera.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, impulse said:

If they did that in New York or London, it would be called out as anti-Semitism.  I wonder what they call it when Israelis do it?

That is an excellent comment.

Probably call them Palestinian sympathisers and anti israel.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, sirineou said:

You are joking right?

Hamas in a symmetrical war with Israel. 

 

Errr, I think you mean asymmetrical. Symmetrical implies the sides are evenly matched.

[Wobblybob]

And as the world is in hysteria over accidental deaths. 

 

 

[Hanaguma]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Errr, I think you mean asymmetrical. Symmetrical implies the sides are evenly matched.

Nah, he was right. A "symmetrical" war implies the classic clash of armies on a battlefield. Think Germay vs the Soviet Union duking it out in WW2, or Wellington vs. Napoleon at Waterloo in 1815.   He is saying that Hamas is not capable of fighting a military war against the IDF, which is true. 

 

However, choosing "asymmetrical" war means running a partisan style campaign, hiding amongst civilians, etc. Which also has the effect of giving up any traditional "Geneva Convention" style protections as members of a recognized military organization. Also makes you responsible for anything that happens to civilians in the areas where you operate. 

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Also makes you responsible for anything that happens to civilians in the areas where you operate. 

 

No it doesn't.  It just makes it harder for your opponent to come after you without committing war crimes.

 

The one who pulls the trigger or launches the missile is responsible for the innocent civilian casualties.  Not the one who's holding them as hostages or human shields.  That's a crime, too of course.  So there are no innocent parties, except the kids and grandmas dying.

 

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

No it doesn't.  It just makes it harder for your opponent to come after you without committing war crimes.

 

The one who pulls the trigger or launches the missile is responsible for the innocent civilian casualties.  Not the one who's holding them as hostages or human shields.  That's a crime, too of course.  So there are no innocent parties, except the kids and grandmas dying.

 

The party using human shields is committing a war crime. The attacker needs to take precautions to minimize casualties, which is what Israel does.   The tricky part comes when the so-called 'human shields' are acting voluntarily.  Do they then lose their protected status as civilians and become de facto combatants?  

[Danny Australia]

Thanks to Al Jazeera's investigation, the global community is now aware that 7 innocent aid workers were deliberately targeted and chased from car to car three times, despite operating in non-combat zone and having coordinated their exact movements with the IDF.

 

Therefore, Netanyahu’s statement that the strike was unintentional is a fat deliberate lie.

 

This underscores Israel's frantic efforts to shut down Al Jazeera operations, enabling the continued targeting of innocent civilians without the embarrassment of undeniable revealing reports, pictures and videos.

[Jeff the Chef]

3 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

And as the world is in hysteria over accidental deaths. 

 

 

 

So one Israeli baby who is sadly probably dead anyway is worth more than 7 aid workers, got you.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/29/hamas-says-10-month-old-hostage-kfir-bibas-was-killed-in-israeli-bombing

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So one Israeli baby who is sadly probably dead anyway is worth more than 7 aid workers, got you.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/29/hamas-says-10-month-old-hostage-kfir-bibas-was-killed-in-israeli-bombing

Yeah, probably dead anyway, not worth bothering about. But let's blame Israel and not the terrorists that took this poor baby. Sometimes more thought could go into your posts!

[Jeff the Chef]

4 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

And as the world is in hysteria over accidental deaths. 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So one Israeli baby who is sadly probably dead anyway is worth more than 7 aid workers, got you.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/29/hamas-says-10-month-old-hostage-kfir-bibas-was-killed-in-israeli-bombing

 

3 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Yeah, probably dead anyway, not worth bothering about. But let's blame Israel and not the terrorists that took this poor baby. Sometimes more thought could go into your posts!

 

Yeah, go on twist my post to the pro-Israel narrative.

[Jeff the Chef]

‘Not good enough’: Australia’s PM slams explanation for aid workers’ deaths
Australian leader says he demanded ‘full accountability’ for Australian’s killing in call with Benjamin Netanyahu.

Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported on Tuesday that an Israeli drone had fired three missiles at the WCK convoy out of a mistaken belief that a Hamas member was travelling with them.

The report, which cited unnamed Israeli military sources, said the drone fired on three separate vehicles in succession, despite them being clearly marked with the WCK logo and even after the aid workers informed the Israeli military that they had been attacked.

WCK CEO Jose Andres said in an interview with Reuters on Wednesday that the Israeli military had targeted his employees “systematically, car by car”.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/4/not-good-enough-australias-pm-slams-explanation-for-aid-workers-deaths

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

Yeah, go on twist my post to the pro-Israel narrative.

Nothing to twist, you have a great way of self destruction, you said:

 

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So one Israeli baby who is sadly probably dead anyway is worth more than 7 aid workers, got you.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/29/hamas-says-10-month-old-hostage-kfir-bibas-was-killed-in-israeli-bombing

I never said that one Israeli baby is worth more than seven aid workers, you said that! What I will say though is, the aid workers had a choice to be there or not, the baby had no choice! Can you spot the subtle difference.

[Danny Australia]

 

The tragic killing of the seven WCK aid workers has rightfully garnered global attention, but amidst this outcry, it's crucial to also consider the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have been killed, injured, or maimed in what the ICJ has described as ‘Plausible genocide”.

 

When Israel claims to have targeted a residence, a tent, a medical facility, or educational institution, alleging the elimination of 'terrorists,' how can we be certain that this isn't yet another falsehood, the result of flawed intelligence, or simply a barbaric tactic intended to force the population into fleeing towards Egypt?

 

In light of this, it's difficult to place trust in the statements made by Israel, the IDF, or Netanyahu.

 

Who, in their right mind, could credibly believe their assertions?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

A little more on the security company Solace Global, they were being paid "up to £15,000 a day to send the ex-servicemen to Gaza"

 

The firm’s website is littered with images of war zones, explosions, and people firing rifles, while wearing military gear covered with the company’s name to demonstrate its experience in conflict zones.

The company has a team of more than 300 security specialists, who are subject to stringent vetting procedures, and have been deployed to provide close security protection and perform evacuation missions in live war zones – including in Ukraine during Russia’s full-scale invasion.

According to a security source with knowledge of the situation, Solace Global received up to £15,000 a day to send the ex-servicemen to Gaza as Close Protection Medics for WCK, along with a host of equipment, such as radios, satellite phones, medical packs, and access to the Solace Global Tracking App.

https://inews.co.uk/news/british-ex-special-forces-marines-gaza-2988554

[couchpotato]

23 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Please, enough of the hysterical references to genocide and holocaust. Neither of those are happening here.  Even using the bs numbers issued by Hamas, something like 20,000 civilians have been killed. In 6 months.  It is an amazing accomplishment that the IDF has kept casualties so low while fighting a terrorist occupation in a congested area. 

 

Don't forget that civilian casualties would be ZERO if Hamas surrendered and released their hostages. Zero. 

This praise and amazing accomplishments you are heaping on the IDF is quite laughable, but presumably it satisfies your sense of righteousness in some way. Oh well I'm sure we'll get to read a few more of your posts on the subject.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

This praise and amazing accomplishments you are heaping on the IDF is quite laughable, but presumably it satisfies your sense of righteousness in some way. Oh well I'm sure we'll get to read a few more of your posts on the subject.

The IDF is by no means perfect.  But they do go out of their way, even at the cost of their own soldiers' lives, to minimize civilian casualties. That is indisputable.  A six month ground campaign in a densely populated area that results in so few civilian deaths is impressive. Particularly when alternatives, which put no IDF member's life at risk, are available.

[Hanaguma]

46 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

‘Not good enough’: Australia’s PM slams explanation for aid workers’ deaths
Australian leader says he demanded ‘full accountability’ for Australian’s killing in call with Benjamin Netanyahu.

Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported on Tuesday that an Israeli drone had fired three missiles at the WCK convoy out of a mistaken belief that a Hamas member was travelling with them.

The report, which cited unnamed Israeli military sources, said the drone fired on three separate vehicles in succession, despite them being clearly marked with the WCK logo and even after the aid workers informed the Israeli military that they had been attacked.

WCK CEO Jose Andres said in an interview with Reuters on Wednesday that the Israeli military had targeted his employees “systematically, car by car”.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/4/not-good-enough-australias-pm-slams-explanation-for-aid-workers-deaths

This is idiocy.

 

Does Al Jazeera think that Hamas travel around in cars with big Hamas flags on them? Or....perhaps.... do they try to disguise themselves, or travel in vehicles NOT officially designated at beloning to Hamas Transport Inc.

[Danny Australia]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Having the israelis investigate it is like asking a fox to investigate who killed the chickens, IMO.

 

Trusting Israel to conduct thorough, credible, and transparent investigations into the brutal murders of the seven innocent aid workers is a grave disservice to their memory.

 

 Past investigations of similar incidents have consistently resulted in blatant cover-ups. For instance, the inquiries into the assassination of Al Jazeera's esteemed senior reporter, Shereen Abu Aqleh, were nothing but smokescreens.

 

To ensure a proper and trustworthy investigation, the United Nations should take charge, with active involvement from delegations representing countries such as the UK, Australia, Canada, and Poland, given that their citizens were victims of this recent atrocity.

 

 It's absurd to expect Israel to reveal the truth. Would we entertain the idea of Russia’s Putin overseeing investigations into any incidents in Ukraine? It's simply laughable.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This is idiocy.

 

Does Al Jazeera think that Hamas travel around in cars with big Hamas flags on them? Or....perhaps.... do they try to disguise themselves, or travel in vehicles NOT officially designated at beloning to Hamas Transport Inc.

Absolutely, there's lots of reports of Hamas using ambulances, they admit it themselves and even one of the hostages said she was transported in one. Al Jazeera know this full well, considering they've employed the terrorists before.

 

Hamas admits using ambulances for terrorist transportation in leaked phone call

 

[Jeff the Chef]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This is idiocy.

 

Does Al Jazeera think that Hamas travel around in cars with big Hamas flags on them? Or....perhaps.... do they try to disguise themselves, or travel in vehicles NOT officially designated at beloning to Hamas Transport Inc.

 

Whatever Al Jazeera thinks is irrelevant as they were quoting Israeli press and unnamed Israeli military sources, from my original post below.

 

Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported on Tuesday that an Israeli drone had fired three missiles at the WCK convoy out of a mistaken belief that a Hamas member was travelling with them.

The report, which cited unnamed Israeli military sources, said the drone fired on three separate vehicles in succession, despite them being clearly marked with the WCK logo and even after the aid workers informed the Israeli military that they had been attacked.

WCK CEO Jose Andres said in an interview with Reuters on Wednesday that the Israeli military had targeted his employees “systematically, car by car”.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Whatever Al Jazeera thinks is irrelevant as they were quoting Israeli press and unnamed Israeli military sources, from my original post below.

 

Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported on Tuesday that an Israeli drone had fired three missiles at the WCK convoy out of a mistaken belief that a Hamas member was travelling with them.

The report, which cited unnamed Israeli military sources, said the drone fired on three separate vehicles in succession, despite them being clearly marked with the WCK logo and even after the aid workers informed the Israeli military that they had been attacked.

WCK CEO Jose Andres said in an interview with Reuters on Wednesday that the Israeli military had targeted his employees “systematically, car by car”.

Again... the markings of the vehicles doesn't matter. Neither do the protestations of the aid workers.  UNRWA aid workers have been 'aiding' Hamas for decades. Hamas has used disguised vehicles for decades as well.

 

It is possible that this was a mistake based on faulty intelligence. But still doesn't mean that the aid workers were, shall we say, less than cautious, to go swanning around a war zone.

[Jeff the Chef]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Absolutely, there's lots of reports of Hamas using ambulances, they admit it themselves and even one of the hostages said she was transported in one. Al Jazeera know this full well, considering they've employed the terrorists before.

 

Hamas admits using ambulances for terrorist transportation in leaked phone call

 

 

Both sides are as bad as one another, still 7 innocent people were killed trying to halt a humanitarian crisis, but you don't care about who or what as long as Israel doesn't look bad, not a good week for you is it?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Both sides are as bad as one another, still 7 innocent people were killed trying to halt a humanitarian crisis, but you don't care about who or what as long as Israel doesn't look bad, not a good week for you is it?

Both sides are as bad as one another

 

Nonsense 

 

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Absolutely, there's lots of reports of Hamas using ambulances, they admit it themselves and even one of the hostages said she was transported in one. Al Jazeera know this full well, considering they've employed the terrorists before.

 

Hamas admits using ambulances for terrorist transportation in leaked phone call

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Again... the markings of the vehicles doesn't matter. Neither do the protestations of the aid workers.  UNRWA aid workers have been 'aiding' Hamas for decades. Hamas has used disguised vehicles for decades as well.

 

It is possible that this was a mistake based on faulty intelligence. But still doesn't mean that the aid workers were, shall we say, less than cautious, to go swanning around a war zone.

 

Twisting this story into it's there fault for being there ain't going to work either, they were in contact with the IDF throughout the whole attack, as stated by the Israeli unnamed military spokesman.

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Both sides are as bad as one another

 

Nonsense 

 

 

Whatever

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Whatever

 

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Both sides are as bad as one another, still 7 innocent people were killed trying to halt a humanitarian crisis, but you don't care about who or what as long as Israel doesn't look bad, not a good week for you is it?

If they actually wanted to stop a humanitarian crisis, they would put pressure on Hamas to surrender and release their hostages.

 

These kind of pinprick 'aid' missions do little but prolong the agony for the people of Gaza. Especially when a lion's share of the aid will wind up with Hamas, as it always does. But they DO provide wonderful photo opportunites and the delicious ability to do some heavy duty virtue signalling...

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

Nice deflection away from the OP, which this has nothing to do with, well done.