6 hours ago, thesetat said:

Too much is still unknown about all of the COVID vaccines. Especially in the long term. Just the fact that bad news and stories about people getting ill after they got the vaccines was suppressed should have sent alerts to every person on the planet. Forcing people to take them in some countries. Even in Thailand, the choice you had was continue with your work with vaccines or lose your job. Thank God I refused to allow my kids to be given any vaccine.

 

Ditto.

 I'm missing all the CDC stats that are usually posted and being told that omicron is dangerous and the benefits of the jab outweigh the costs. Still, sure to be here sooner or later I guess.

How I felt in 2021

 

31 minutes ago, Conno said:

Bday Prang -  When you say 'Reluctantly' was that due to work or the need to travel? That was outrageous too.

The desire to travel was why I succumbed .  Interestingly as I work in construction, in the UK my occupation was considered as "essential" to what remained of the economy, and was not subject to lockdown, however there was never any obligation to be vaccinated in order to continue working. At the time I was working in the center of Manchester on a large construction project , our very cramped office space was in the basement of an old adjacent building. No real ventilation and often over 100 people, including  polish , albanian, bulgarian and indians  in very close proximity to each other, many travelling from known covid hotspots and  few if any wore masks or adhered to the many quite frankly comical regulations ostensibly designed to limit transmission.

How many cases of covid did we suffer ?   None of course,  

 The circumstances of your sisters death are shocking, I heard similar stories from friends who had elderly relatives in care homes, what a disgrace

A line in a post calling another member a troll has been edited out from that persons post.

 

Please stop with the personal attacks, they could lead to suspensions if I there is a next time and I get called into this topic again!

 

non paywall  archived page from the New York Times

https://archive.ph/UvGWx

 

 

Thousands Believe Covid Vaccines Harmed Them. Is Anyone Listening?

All vaccines have at least occasional side effects. But people who say they were injured by Covid vaccines believe their cases have been ignored.

 

8 hours ago, BigBruv said:

 

"Thailand's NVI Backs AstraZeneca Amid Controversy":    Well they would wouldn't they?

Possibly scared of the legal repercussions

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds

"Karen Dilks, the senior coroner for Newcastle, gave a narrative conclusion. “Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccine,” she said.

Shaw, who was referred to by her married name, Lisa Eve, during the hearing, started complaining of headaches a few days after her vaccination. She eventually visited a hospital A&E department in Durham, where she was diagnosed with a blood clot.

She was transferred to the Royal Victoria Infirmary where she received a number of treatments, including cutting away part of her skull to relieve the pressure on her brain, but despite those efforts she died on 21 May."

 

But yep, otherwise "safe & effective'", "saved trillions of lives" etc from the 'pandemic' that seemed to end the moment the Ukraine war started.

 

 

Nothing is 100% safe.  If we used that argument just about everything would carry a warning or be banned. It's really tragic and people did die that's for sure. It's equally true that tens of thousands of lives were saved in the UK alone.  What was the alternative at the time? Permanent lockdown? Let nature take its course? Both would have led to millions of lives being lost.  Remember the virus was far more dangerous than the present mutation.

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Education and freedom of thought and speech are the antithesis of what big pharma wants.

governments are not in favour of that sort of thing either.  It has the potential to be the cause of problems for them.    Maybe that is why so many appear to be so willing to hand responsibility for managing "the next"  1 in 200 year virus with a 97+ % survival rate  over to the WHO  very very soon. It will relieve them of any responsibility or blame for the total mismanagement of the next disaster, due any time soon.   I thought they might have had more success with the "monkey pox" virus but I think it was just to soon to try it on with an increasingly aware public,

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This is the narrative I speak about. Big pharma and the CDC will agree with your comment without doubt. Do you not find it significant that AZ and J&J have been removed from major markets? As for your 99% that still means >100 million adverse events with over 10 billion shots being administered. I guess this no longer becomes "meaningless". Slowly but surely your accepentence of the narritive will be shown to be misguided. The truth is coming out, even in the access media.

This is an interesting start from access media in the US with hopefully more to come.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/health/covid-vaccines-side-effects.html

 

 

100 million adverse events and there is still sustained pressure to have more and more jabs, has this ever happened before with any other recently developed medication?  

15 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

Nothing is 100% safe.  If we used that argument just about everything would carry a warning or be banned. It's really tragic and people did die that's for sure. It's equally true that tens of thousands of lives were saved in the UK alone.  What was the alternative at the time? Permanent lockdown? Let nature take its course? Both would have led to millions of lives being lost.  Remember the virus was far more dangerous than the present mutation.

Letting nature take its course would have been the best option, There are over 7 billion living on this planet most would say that is just too many,  Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made for the greater good. Sadly we don't have the right people in positions of power to make those calls

2 hours ago, Conno said:

How I felt in 2021

 

Reminds me of a quote from Mahatma Ghandi:

"Even if you are a minority of one

the truth is still the truth."

 

Vaccine harm is real and chances of dying from covid now it's Omicron is minimal for the majority of the World's population.

 

Posts with unsourced claims, off-topic and trolling comments and comments on moderation have been removed, along with ensuing replies.

 

The thread topic here is about the safety of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine and within reason COVID vaccine safety in general -- not every and any other topic related to the COVID pandemic.

 

A reminder to those posting here of the pertinent forum rules:

 

Topics or posts deemed to be scaremongering, deliberately misleading or which deliberately distort information will be removed.

 

In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.

 

 

Covid jabs are good for you. mRNA is good tech. You have no right to dispute or challenge this. If you do you are an anti-vaxer and a cospiracy theorist. The rules have been made and you must abide bt them. Free thought and free speech on this subject is subject to censorship at the very least. 

I agree that people should not be forced into having a Covid (or any other) vaccination, unless that person then poses an infection risk for others.  Everyone has the right to control their own destiny - look at all those who refused a Covid vaccination and then publically stated on their death bed as they died from the effects of Covid that they wished that they had been vaccinated.  It was their choice.

 

As to the very small risk of a side-effect from the AZ vaccination, this is no different from any other vaccination or medication.  There will always be side-effects, sometimes serious side-effects on a very small % of those who take the medication. You to have to weigh up the risks.

 

Look at the situation in the UK where polio and childhood ailments such as measles, whooping cough etc are on the increase because of the reticence of some parents to allow their offspring to have a vaccination that has proven very safe over many decades. 

2 minutes ago, simon43 said:

look at all those who refused a Covid vaccination and then publically stated on their death bed as they died from the effects of Covid that they wished that they had been vaccinated.  It was their choice.

I guess you could also look at very healthy people who have died or been injured by the jab and getting the jab wasn't their choice.

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

There will always be side-effects, sometimes serious side-effects on a very small % of those who take the medication. You to have to weigh up the risks.

Yes you do have to weigh up the risks but to do this all possible information should be freely available and the vaccine should be extensively tested with scientific rigour with results published for all tpo see. Tell me if this was the case for the covid-19 vaccines. Can you also tell me why AZ and J&J were withdrawn? Apart from that do you think death is a serious side effect? The safety of these vaccines is being called into question. Do you think governments and big pharma have some very big questions viz-a-viz safety and efficacy of the vaccine to answer? If you don't IMO you are on an ever decreasing list of blind followers. 

25 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I agree that people should not be forced into having a Covid (or any other) vaccination, unless that person then poses an infection risk for others.

You seem to have missed the bit, the very important bit, that being vaccinated doesn't stop transmission. Not for these vaccines that is. 

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I guess you could also look at very healthy people who have died or been injured by the jab and getting the jab wasn't their choice.

How many people have died or been inured as a direct result of the vaccination? If someone is vaccinated and then dies (either from Covid or from some other cause), did they die as a direct result of receiving that vaccination?  I asked my friend Dr Google about this data for the UK, but it was difficult to find any 'hard facts'.  All I found was a medical report that stated that 334 people had made claims for death of a relative as a direct result of receiving a Covid vaccination.

 

That report also states:

 

According to data from the Office for National Statistics, 52 people in England and Wales have died from the Covid-19 vaccine, whereas around 160,000 have died from Covid-19 between March 2020 and December 2022.

 

So my maths says that 52 out of 160,000 = 0.0325%,  A very small %, but obviously bad news if you are one of the very few affected by this vaccination.

 

Report: https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-politics-2023-3-uk-has-received-334-damage-claims-for-covid-jab-deaths/

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You seem to have missed the bit, the very important bit, that being vaccinated doesn't stop transmission. Not for these vaccines that is. 

I am fully aware that vaccination doesn't stop virus transmission.  But I am aware that those who have been vaccinated against Covid and who become infected with the virus are much more likely to have only mild symptoms, compared to the unvaccinated.  

 

As to your other post, no vaccine is 100% safe, and often the lower risk path has to be followed, compared to the higher risk path.  Personally, I am very happy (as an older person with a chronic lung illness) that I had an AZ vaccination and booster, and then Moderna and Pfizer boosters in the following years.  I recognise the importance of ALL vaccinations as a means of reducing infection/morbidity etc, and I accept the very small risk that goes with having ANY vaccination.

35 minutes ago, simon43 said:

How many people have died or been inured as a direct result of the vaccination? If someone is vaccinated and then dies (either from Covid or from some other cause), did they die as a direct result of receiving that vaccination?  I asked my friend Dr Google about this data for the UK, but it was difficult to find any 'hard facts'.  All I found was a medical report that stated that 334 people had made claims for death of a relative as a direct result of receiving a Covid vaccination.

 

That report also states:

 

According to data from the Office for National Statistics, 52 people in England and Wales have died from the Covid-19 vaccine, whereas around 160,000 have died from Covid-19 between March 2020 and December 2022.

 

So my maths says that 52 out of 160,000 = 0.0325%,  A very small %, but obviously bad news if you are one of the very few affected by this vaccination.

 

Report: https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-politics-2023-3-uk-has-received-334-damage-claims-for-covid-jab-deaths/

 

 

 

Your friend Dr. Google is the friend of big pharma and the CDC. You can continue to believe what you're told or you can be sceptical. For me the last 4 yrs has increased my scepticism by a factor of 10 at the very least. Have you ever looked at videos banned on this site? Professors, immunologists, doctors and other health professional talking about what's happened and what's continuing to happen. Videos with cited scientific evidence. It's enlightening. Certaily broadened my knowledge and changed my opinion. Unfortunately I had had 2 AZ jabs before I became enlightened to the reality of this greatest of all crimes against humanity. Thankfully I am capable of rational and individual thought, just not at the beginning of this in relation to the greatest con of all cons. My apologies to all I opposed in relation to this at the beginning. You guys were right. I was a sheep who believed the narrative.

47 minutes ago, simon43 said:

How many people have died or been inured as a direct result of the vaccination? If someone is vaccinated and then dies (either from Covid or from some other cause), did they die as a direct result of receiving that vaccination?  I asked my friend Dr Google about this data for the UK, but it was difficult to find any 'hard facts'.  All I found was a medical report that stated that 334 people had made claims for death of a relative as a direct result of receiving a Covid vaccination.

 

That report also states:

 

According to data from the Office for National Statistics, 52 people in England and Wales have died from the Covid-19 vaccine, whereas around 160,000 have died from Covid-19 between March 2020 and December 2022.

 

So my maths says that 52 out of 160,000 = 0.0325%,  A very small %, but obviously bad news if you are one of the very few affected by this vaccination.

 

Report: https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-politics-2023-3-uk-has-received-334-damage-claims-for-covid-jab-deaths/

 

 

 

 

Those are decent numbers and point in the right direction, but the latest updated data regarding deaths is even more telling:

 

Up thru 2023 in the UK, with a population of almost 70 million during the pandemic, there were 56 cases where any COVID vaccine was listed on death certificates as the primary cause, and a similar number (63) where any COVID vaccine was mentioned in some way on the death certificate, according to the UK ONS earlier this year.

 

Source: UK ONS

 

So if you put those two together, that's 119 related or possibly related deaths from COVID vaccines in the UK out of more than 151 million doses given thru Sept 2022 (and millions more after that). By my math, that's one related or possibly related death per 1.27 million vaccine doses.

 

Source: OWD

 

And then balance against that, the facts that COVID, even with the vaccines, killed more than 230,000 people in the UK, and estimates are the number would have been 400,000 higher without the COVID vaccines.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-vaccines-saved-lives-england-scotland-who-2862550

 

And the balance of benefits in favor of COVID vaccines is clear, as the various public health agencies have been saying all along.

 

• "COVID-19 vaccines significantly reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalisation and death from infection with SARS-CoV-2. ...

• Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks.

• The vast majority of side effects are mild and temporary. However, safety monitoring (pharmacovigilance) systems have identified some very rare (occurring in less than 1 in 10,000 people) but serious side effects. Medicines regulators around the world have put in place measures to reduce the risk of harm from these side effects. 

 

ICMRA statement on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines

International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

Any needless death is sad and regrettable. But the vast numbers of COVID deaths and the vast numbers of lives saved by COVID vaccines totally overwhelm the reported deaths related to COVID vaccines.

 

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Your friend Dr. Google is the friend of big pharma and the CDC. You can continue to believe what you're told or you can be sceptical. For me the last 4 yrs has increased my scepticism by a factor of 10 at the very least. Have you ever looked at videos banned on this site? Professors, immunologists, doctors and other health professional talking about what's happened and what's continuing to happen. Videos with cited scientific evidence. It's enlightening. Certaily broadened my knowledge and changed my opinion. Unfortunately I had had 2 AZ jabs before I became enlightened to the reality of this greatest of all crimes against humanity. Thankfully I am capable of rational and individual thought, just not at the beginning of this in relation to the greatest con of all cons. My apologies to all I opposed in relation to this at the beginning. You guys were right. I was a sheep who believed the narrative.

Deepest respect to you sir. Humility is the sign of a truly genuine individual. Sadly not so much of that around these days. 

17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Those are decent numbers and point in the right direction, but the latest updated data regarding deaths is even more telling:

 

Up thru 2023 in the UK, with a population of almost 70 million during the pandemic, there were 56 cases where any COVID vaccine was listed on death certificates as the primary cause, and a similar number (63) where any COVID vaccine was mentioned in some way on the death certificate, according to the UK ONS earlier this year.

 

Source: UK ONS

 

So if you put those two together, that's 119 related or possibly related deaths from COVID vaccines in the UK out of more than 151 million doses given thru Sept 2022 (and millions more after that). By my math, that's one related or possibly related death per 1.27 million vaccine doses.

 

Source: OWD

 

And then balance against that, the facts that COVID, even with the vaccines, killed more than 230,000 people in the UK, and estimates are the number would have been 400,000 higher without the COVID vaccines.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-vaccines-saved-lives-england-scotland-who-2862550

 

And the balance of benefits in favor of COVID vaccines is clear, as the various public health agencies have been saying all along.

 

• "COVID-19 vaccines significantly reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalisation and death from infection with SARS-CoV-2. ...

• Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks.

• The vast majority of side effects are mild and temporary. However, safety monitoring (pharmacovigilance) systems have identified some very rare (occurring in less than 1 in 10,000 people) but serious side effects. Medicines regulators around the world have put in place measures to reduce the risk of harm from these side effects. 

 

ICMRA statement on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines

International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

Any needless death is sad and regrettable. But the vast numbers of COVID deaths and the vast numbers of lives saved by COVID vaccines totally overwhelm the reported deaths related to COVID vaccines.

 

I guess one could posit the question as to how many of those who have died from the jab would otherwise not have died? Fit young people for example.

No doubt, there are real and rare serious side effects from COVID vaccines. But what comes into dispute is the scale of those injuries, and how they weigh against the vast numbers of lives saved by COVID vaccines, estimated to be more than 20 million just in the first year of their rollout:

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

The NY Times report cited above was interesting, including its wording about people "believing" they had been harmed by COVID vaccines. Well, people believe all kinds of things that have been clearly disproven or not proven, but they still believe anyway.

 

The NYT report almost makes it sound like it's just a "he said, she said" dispute, with the claimed victims of vaccine injury saying one thing, and public health authorities and regulators saying something else, and no way to discern the real big picture.

 

But even though the NYT doesn't seem to mention it, there was a major global study on vaccine safety / side effects involving more than 240 million doses given in multiple countries that was released earlier this year, and it came down squarely in favor of the benefits of vaccination.

Posts misrepresent findings of world's largest Covid vaccine safety study

28 February 2024

 

"The February 2024 publication of the largest peer-reviewed study of Covid-19 vaccine safety to date has inspired misleading social media claims that its findings show the jabs are unsafe. Study authors and independent experts say the research confirms that adverse reactions to vaccination are rare and pose far fewer risks than Covid-19 infection."

...

Epidemiologist Anders Peter Hviid, one of the study authors, told AFP the findings confirm previous research and should not deter people from receiving Covid-19 shots.

 

"What we take away is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease," he said on February 23. "The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare."

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34K78ZW

 

AND

Study Largely Confirms Known, Rare COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects

February 27, 2024

 

"An international study of around 99 million people confirmed known serious side effects of COVID-19 vaccination. It also identified a possible relationship between the first dose of the Moderna vaccine and a small risk of a neurological condition. Social media posts about the study left out information on the vaccines’ benefits and the rarity of the side effects.

 

COVID-19 vaccines — like all vaccines and other medical products — come with side effects, including serious side effects in rare cases. The vaccines were rolled out to protect people from a novel virus that has killed millions of people globally and would likely have killed millions more without the arrival of the vaccines. There is a broad consensus from experts and governmental health agencies that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risks.

...

“What we take away, is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease,” study co-author Anders Hviid, head of the department of epidemiology research at the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark, told us in an email. “The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/

 

And this study wasn't based on anyone's estimates or projections. But instead, the  study drew on actual national or regional health records from eight countries with institutions participating in the Global Vaccine Data Network, an international group that studies vaccine safety. The researchers analyzed health outcomes after around 184 million doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, 36 million doses of the Moderna vaccine and 23 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No doubt, there are real and rare serious side effects from COVID vaccines. But what comes into dispute is the scale of those injuries, and how they weigh against the vast numbers of lives saved by COVID vaccines, estimated to be more than 20 million just in the first year of their rollout:

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

The NY Times report cited above was interesting, including its wording about people "believing" they had been harmed by COVID vaccines. Well, people believe all kinds of things that have been clearly disproven or not proven, but they still believe anyway.

 

The NYT report almost makes it sound like it's just a "he said, she said" dispute, with the claimed victims of vaccine injury saying one thing, and public health authorities and regulators saying something else, and no what to discern the real big picture.

 

But even though the NYT doesn't seem to mention it, there was a global study on vaccine side effects involving more than 240 million doses given in multiple countries that was released earlier this year, and it came down squarely in favor of the benefits of vaccination.

Posts misrepresent findings of world's largest Covid vaccine safety study

28 February 2024

 

"The February 2024 publication of the largest peer-reviewed study of Covid-19 vaccine safety to date has inspired misleading social media claims that its findings show the jabs are unsafe. Study authors and independent experts say the research confirms that adverse reactions to vaccination are rare and pose far fewer risks than Covid-19 infection."

...

Epidemiologist Anders Peter Hviid, one of the study authors, told AFP the findings confirm previous research and should not deter people from receiving Covid-19 shots.

 

"What we take away is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease," he said on February 23. "The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare."

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34K78ZW

 

AND

Study Largely Confirms Known, Rare COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects

February 27, 2024

 

"An international study of around 99 million people confirmed known serious side effects of COVID-19 vaccination. It also identified a possible relationship between the first dose of the Moderna vaccine and a small risk of a neurological condition. Social media posts about the study left out information on the vaccines’ benefits and the rarity of the side effects.

 

COVID-19 vaccines — like all vaccines and other medical products — come with side effects, including serious side effects in rare cases. The vaccines were rolled out to protect people from a novel virus that has killed millions of people globally and would likely have killed millions more without the arrival of the vaccines. There is a broad consensus from experts and governmental health agencies that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risks.

...

“What we take away, is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease,” study co-author Anders Hviid, head of the department of epidemiology research at the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark, told us in an email. “The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/

 

The  study drew on national or regional health records from eight countries with institutions participating in the Global Vaccine Data Network, an international group that studies vaccine safety. The researchers analyzed health outcomes after around 184 million doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, 36 million doses of the Moderna vaccine and 23 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. 

 

 

The future hopefully will tell. The push against the narrative you believe is intensifying. The tenticles of big pharma are widespread and powerful but sooner or later the truth will come out. 

I'm a bit confused why this thread on vaccine safety is only 2 pages so far. One just needs to Google "Covid-19 vaccine safety" and you'll get over 2 million hits, I imagine the majority of which will say that the jabs are overwhrelmingly safe. You know the pushed narrative. One must dig a lot deeper to start finding articles that challenge this narrative. Very difficult. Why would this be I wonder? Is information being supressed or pushed out of sight, information like vaccine injury and deaths or are the vaccines actually safe and have been scientifically tested in long term studies so nothing to worry about? The info we are fed supports one side of the story. There's another side and that side is bubbling to the surface with ever greater intensity.

13 hours ago, webfact said:

From approximately 48.7 million doses disbursed throughout the country, only seven cases of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) have been suspected, highlighting a notably low occurrence rate.

 

And adding some more perspective on the projected risk-reward ratio for COVID vaccines in Thailand:

 

"A research team from Mahidol University and Naresuan University led by Associate Professor Dr. Charin Modchang expanded the study and utilized the same mathematical modeling approaches to estimate the number of lives saved due to Thailand’s vaccine rollout. The study revealed that between the time the first vaccine was administered in 2021 and July 3, 2022, 490,000 lives were saved. Thus, half a million people in Thailand would have lost if the Covid vaccines had not been available."

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1266704-half-a-million-in-thailand-saved-by-covid-vaccine/

 

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One must dig a lot deeper to start finding articles that challenge this narrative.

 

Yes, if you look enough, you can find all kinds of things being posted in the gutters of the internet by people with long documented histories of purveying misinformation and unproven claims regarding COVID and COVID vaccines.

 

Here's what the International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities says about that:

 

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

...

False information about COVID-19 vaccines can result in deaths or severe disease if people avoid getting the vaccines they need. False information about COVID-19, both unintended (misinformation) and deliberate (disinformation), spreads on social media, so it is important to get  information from trusted sources (healthcare professionals, scientific sources and national medicines regulators).

 

Some people misinterpret the numbers of deaths or suspected side effects reported in vaccine safety databases. The fact that an adverse medical event or even death occurs in a vaccinated person does not mean that the vaccine has caused it. Regulators evaluate reports of medical events following the use of these medicines to determine if there is a signal indicating causality and if so, they take action as appropriate."

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

About ICMRA
ICMRA brings together 38 medicines regulatory authorities from every region in the world, with the WHO as an observer

 

 

Social media is full of conspiracy theories about vaccine safety, men never landed on the moon, mobile phone masts are dangerous, trump is not mentally deranged etc etc.  These pages often have large numbers of followers (= $$$ for the originator of the theory).  Many of these followers either accept the conspiracy theory at face value, or do not have the mental intellect to consider the scientific facts to support/dismiss the claim, or they exaggerate the statistical data far in excess of what the scientific data states.

 

Yes, some few people (statistically) have side-effects from vaccinations, and even fewer people die from the side-effects.  That is a fact of life.  But statistically, the numbers are so minute, and the proven benefit of these vaccinations so great, that it makes no sense (to me) for someone to actively refuse such a vaccination.

 

Now if you believe that the pushing of Covid vax is some kind of Big Pharma, Bill Gates, Illuminati etc plan, then of course you are free to believe that 🙂