OneMoreFarang Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 17 hours ago, johng said: Well it could also be said when will Thais learn....how to drive "properly" but that might be construed as a bit racist ? Maybe Thais will learn that in 50 or 100 years, maybe never. Do you want to wait until they learned to drive properly? Or accept reality that they don't do this here and now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Or accept reality that they don't do this here and now. I accept the reality and drive as defensively and safely as possible. What other road users do I can't control so try not to worry about them, even though is very difficult sometimes witnessing the idiotic things that happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zzzzz Posted May 11 Popular Post Share Posted May 11 I am a cyclist and when i cycle i stay as far to the left as possible;, he wasn't an i doubt the bus driver even knew he hit him PLUS, an it does not appear he swerved to hit him not defending anyone but>>> 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancub Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 2 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said: It's clear vision that the bus continues in a straight line but the rider swerves into the bus after what looks like hitting the road drain while trying to manoeuvre in a small space between motorbike and bus. I'd agree, the drain may have come into play because of the parked motorcycle a few metres ahead causing the lane to narrow even more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 12 hours ago, vangrop said: Only morons drive a cycle in Pattaya. Deadly pollution deadly trafic,,, Only morons drive a bus in Pattaya. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Barely survives is a bit dramatic. I ride big bikes around Pattaya. Riding a push bike would be scary as fork. Heck just walking down Bukhao is traumatizing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john donson Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Foreign man barely survives after being hit by a bus in Pattaya a few lines later... his arm was hit... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 13 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Only morons drive a bus in Pattaya. And by Pattaya you mean all of Thailand ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Theory Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 At police station: Oh "I did not see you", I'm sorry 🙏 Finished as usual. watch your own ass all the time, because nobody does it for you or even cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lopburikid Posted May 11 Popular Post Share Posted May 11 19 hours ago, Henryford said: Cyclists are a menace in heavy traffic like Pattaya. Wearing around the road at 10kph. Looked to me that the cyclist rode into the side of the bus. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sticky Rice Balls Posted May 11 Popular Post Share Posted May 11 11 hours ago, save the frogs said: some people are in denial about how much of a high risk activity cycling is, especially in thailand but anywhere in cities i ride my bike daily for hours in CM.....but danger is my middle name.....thanks for your empathy btw... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, john donson said: Foreign man barely survives after being hit by a bus in Pattaya a few lines later... his arm was hit... I think his arm was actually run over... hence the extreme injury reported (exposed bone). He was extremely lucky it wasn't his head - that was an extremely close call and I think we've all see the various videos posted online of the aftermath of a motorcyclist falling off next to a lorry or bus etc and the head gets run over... gruesome stuff. I'm still quite astonished at the manner in which he was riding, i.e completely oblivious for his own safety, seemingly unaware that others have no consideration for his safety. While I disagree with the comments that cyclists should not be on the roads - I'd agree than in Thailand, because of the general attitudes towards road safety, there is an elevated risk to riding and one would have to ride with extreme caution and ride only in specific areas / roads to minimise their exposure to risk. Drivers of busses, Trucks/lorrys, delivery vehicles and day-time drunk drivers... tend to lack any consideration for any other road users, pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists and cars... Edited May 11 by richard_smith237 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlf Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Agreed... but the cyclist is also riding around with complete disregard for his own safety, almost in a world of oblivion to the risks of being on the road here. I don't understand how you can say this after seeing the video. The bicyclist is clearly fully within the left-hand lane. The BUS is 90% in the next lane, but going between the lanes. It is unreasonable to expect that the bike rider is looking all the time BEHIND himself when he isn't in the process of changing lanes. What would you say if it was a car in that left lane that the bus just hit from behind? Would you say it was the car's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, carlf said: I don't understand how you can say this after seeing the video. The bicyclist is clearly fully within the left-hand lane. The BUS is 90% in the next lane, but going between the lanes. It is unreasonable to expect that the bike rider is looking all the time BEHIND himself when he isn't in the process of changing lanes. What would you say if it was a car in that left lane that the bus just hit from behind? Would you say it was the car's fault? I agree... he's fully within his lane... but he's at the very right of it - its not a particularly safe position to be riding in. Is he overtaking the motorcyclist ? or was the motorcyclist forced to 'undertake' him because of his positioning. I agree, this incident is the bus drivers fault, in 'squeezing past the cyclist' - many roads clearly aren't designed for such wide vehicles (thats a long term complaint made by many of busses in Pattaya). But... Don't you think the cyclist seems oblivious to his own safety ??? The incident would not have occurred had either party (bus or bicyclist) been driving / riding with greater care and consideration for safety... it takes 'just one of them' to 'get it right' for an incident not to happen.... I don't think the cyclist was riding safely, given his position on the road and seeming 'state of oblivion towards his own safety' I don't think the bus driver was driving with any consideration towards the safety of the bicyclist. The cyclist 'should' have had better awareness of his positioning and that a bus was approaching... Should a bicycle which is using the road have mirrors ??... this is a strong case for that. Edited May 11 by richard_smith237 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bvor Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Is he overtaking the motorcyclist ? or was the motorcyclist forced to 'undertake' him because of his positioning. me thinks taxi motorcyclist gets too close getting ready for a burst of undertaking causing no helmut cyclist to take slight evasive action ........but alas - all three too close together and jointly responsible. nice of mafia taxi motorcyclist to render assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancub Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 40 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: I agree... he's fully within his lane... but he's at the very right of it - its not a particularly safe position to be riding in. Is he overtaking the motorcyclist ? or was the motorcyclist forced to 'undertake' him because of his positioning. Watched again and I believe the reason he's at the right of the lane is a combination of having to go out because of the parked motorcycle half blocking the lane ahead and the moto-taxi guy trying to squeeze through on the inside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dene16 Posted May 11 Popular Post Share Posted May 11 9 hours ago, zzzzz said: I am a cyclist and when i cycle i stay as far to the left as possible;, he wasn't an i doubt the bus driver even knew he hit him PLUS, an it does not appear he swerved to hit him not defending anyone but>>> My sentiments exactly, the cyclist was way too near the moving traffic with a whole car width to his left. The bus had little room for movement and unlikely to have even realised he hit him. He may of been going past some parked motorcycles but still way too far to the right, the bus does not swerve and if anything the cyclist may of swerved into the bus. Bottom line, if you want to cycle in a major area such as this you/he needs to be far more road wise as he has created the situation himself. If the cyclist had been riding in an appropriate position the moto-taxi guy would not be in a position to undertake him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 6 hours ago, Bvor said: me thinks taxi motorcyclist gets too close getting ready for a burst of undertaking causing no helmut cyclist to take slight evasive action ........but alas - all three too close together and jointly responsible. nice of mafia taxi motorcyclist to render assistance. Yep... I see how it could be that too... Still - I think the cyclist was really oblivious to his own safety... Of course, the bus driver should have taken more care and watched out for him... But he should also have been doing a better job of watching out for himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 On 5/10/2024 at 4:23 PM, johng said: Well it could also be said when will Thais learn....how to drive "properly" but that might be construed as a bit racist ? Actually it’s their country so best to learn the local way to drive. Always yield to buses. The laws of gross tonnage dictates whether one agrees or not. Gross tonnage will always win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 20 hours ago, johng said: I accept the reality and drive as defensively and safely as possible. What other road users do I can't control so try not to worry about them, even though is very difficult sometimes witnessing the idiotic things that happened. I kind of do worry about them as I can never be sure what they will do next........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Sure the bus driver, but things are differnt here. It is the bicyclists respnsiblity like it or not to avoid such collisions. Same on a motorbike drive defensively and always be anticipating for the worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 dont ride a bicycle ....check dont cross the road even on a crossing....check (especially if an eye doctor and involving a Police motorcycle) dont drive on the roads under concrete road construction bridges (route 9)....check dont be a Policeman in BKK on a motorbike when you see a Ferrari....check dont...............fill in anything you like in Thailand...check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 18 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said: i ride my bike daily for hours in CM.....but danger is my middle name.....thanks for your empathy btw... I haven't owned a bicycle in years. I might get one if I move to Amsterdam. Where they actually have real bike lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Believe it or not...but there are actually bike lanes not far from the main Pattaya city center...around the Wat Yarn/Buddha mountain area where you can witness gaggles of lycra clad tour de France hopefuls perspiring profusely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 On 5/10/2024 at 7:54 PM, hotchilli said: What no outrage from Thais.... shocking. i'm sure the bus driver will be arrested any time now for leaving the scene of an accident. then subsequently fired and shamed for ruining the good clean image of pattaya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 21 hours ago, john donson said: Foreign man barely survives after being hit by a bus in Pattaya a few lines later... his arm was hit... In fairness, his head came within a hair's breadth of being squashed by the bus wheel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy42OZ Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 On 5/10/2024 at 4:45 PM, HappyExpat57 said: Being an avid cyclist myself, I would NEVER NEVER NEVER go anywhere NEAR that intersection. That dude is lucky he didn't get his head squashed. There us a good chance the bus driver didn't even know he hit the cyclist. Also the cyclist really didn't look like he was very agile, or confident on the bike. It looked very much like he was wobbling a bit before he came in contact with the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 18 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said: Also the cyclist really didn't look like he was very agile, or confident on the bike. It looked very much like he was wobbling a bit before he came in contact with the bus. Maybe he'd been on the cans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 13 hours ago, save the frogs said: might get one if I move to Amsterdam. Where they actually have real bike lanes. They made a bike lane on Samui, nice parking spot everyone thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketboy2 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) Looks like the cyclist went native. ( never slow down, stop, or look ) Get out the way, I'm coming through. Not the best idea to have with a bus. He got off lightly, could have easily gone under the wheels of the bus. Edited May 13 by rocketboy2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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