Eurovision followup -- was UK Olly's Dizzy performance too much for Eurovision?

[Seppius]

Bring back Cliff Richards next year, Oh wait a minute

[CG1 Blue]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not a gay or straight question.

He got zero votes from the public, a public that is watching a premiere LGBT cultural event.

I already went over this.

The zero votes was not about being anti gay.

I agree with your point, but I don't agree it's an LGBT cultural event. The LGBT community don't own Eurovision (yet), but I guess it's heading that way. 

 

Eurovision was always a celebration of diverse culture and musical tastes across Europe, with a bit of camp and comedy mixed in. Great entertainment for all the family. 

I feel it's being hijacked now and seems to be all about which act can out-gay the other acts. 

 

 

[scottiejohn]

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

a public that is watching a premiere LGBT cultural event.

The public were not watching an advertised "premiere LGBT cultural event"!

Show me where it makes any reference to the LGBT (QUERTY cr@P) on their website; Home | Eurovision Song Contest  or here Eurovision Song Contest - Wikipedia as having any connection with the the gay/LGBT or any other community!

Typical of gays trying to hijack things that do not belong to them!

 

PS; I scored out the "QUERT cr@p" bit so as not to offend you!

 

[Jingthing]

I never said that LGBT "owned" Eurovision but it still is a premiere LGBT cultural event whether you like it / admit it, or not.

That doesn't mean that non LGBT are excluded in any way, but if you're an anti LGBT bigot, I would suggest going elsewhere.

 

 

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[Hummin]

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not a gay or straight question.

He got zero votes from the public, a public that is watching a premiere LGBT cultural event.

I already went over this.

The zero votes was not about being anti gay.

I think it is a good valid information, if there where the majority of the straight or gay public or both who it affected. 

 

Obviously this stage show didnt fancy the public, same as the norwegian contribution who attended last. Professional musicians at last place.

[sometime]

This used to be a song contest, based on the singers voice, & song written for the contest  not what a prat i am

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, sometime said:

This used to be a song contest, based on the singers voice, & song written for the contest  not what a prat i am

Things change. 

[Jingthing]

Perhaps related, perhaps not, but the non-binary "Crown the Witch" show from Ireland was in my opinion truly horrible in its own way (but nothing like the porn fever dream of Olly). Tastes are subjective and that's part of the big fun of the contest and the drama of the voting. 

 

Elephants in the room but the non LGBT topic related ejection of the popular Dutch entry (justified or not) and the atrocious way the very talented Israeli entry was treated by the presumably rather "Queers for Palestine" friendly audience all added up to the most cluster f of an ESC I've ever seen, yet ironically the quality of the songs in the final was higher than usual. Some people seem to think the ESC is seriously or permanently damaged. I don't agree. It will go on and I expect somehow more normally LGBT next year!

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[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Perhaps related, perhaps not, but the non-binary "Crown the Witch" show from Ireland was in my opinion truly horrible in its own way (but nothing like the porn fever dream of Olly). Tastes are subjective and that's part of the big fun of the contest and the drama of the voting. 

 

Elephants in the room but the non LGBT topic related ejection of the popular Dutch entry (justified or not) and the atrocious way the very talented Israeli entry was treated by the presumably rather "Queers for Palestine" friendly audience all added up to the most cluster f of an ESC I've ever seen, yet ironically the quality of the songs in the final was higher than usual. Some people seem to think the ESC is seriously or permanently damaged. I don't agree. It will go on and I expect somehow more normally LGBT next year!

I had the Irish contribution on my very last place, if that is any comfort 😁

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I had the Irish contribution on my very last place, if that is any comfort 😁

Yet it did well. 

I think 6th under Israel's 5th.

Without the anti Israel protests and the ejection of the Netherlands, I have no idea who would have won, but I'm sure Israel would have placed higher, competing also with the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Croatia.

I think Croatia might have had the best song but I'm very happy Switzerland won not because they them is non-binary but because they them is such a lovable positive sweetheart and Switzerland is long overdue and being in a historically "neutral" country seems to be what ESC needs now. 

Edited May 14 by Jingthing

[rocketboy2]

The uk have decided,  on a back to basics entry for next years contest.

 

 

 

[jak2002003]

15 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And you lost against this one. 555

 

 

I thought they were dressed up as a chicken or Big Bird from Sesame Street. 

[CG1 Blue]

56 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yet it did well. 

I think 6th under Israel's 5th.

Without the anti Israel protests and the ejection of the Netherlands, I have no idea who would have won, but I'm sure Israel would have placed higher, competing also with the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Croatia.

I think Croatia might have had the best song but I'm very happy Switzerland won not because they them is non-binary but because they them is such a lovable positive sweetheart and Switzerland is long overdue and being in a historically "neutral" country seems to be what ESC needs now. 

It was quite revealing to see Israel getting 12 points from the UK public vote. Just goes to show how the 'silent majority' in the UK feel about the current situation, despite what the mainstream media would have us believe. 

 

Back on topic, I thought Italy, Spain and Greece's songs deserved more points, but their performances were too heterosexual I guess. Didn't rate the winning song at all. 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was quite revealing to see Israel getting 12 points from the UK public vote. Just goes to show how the 'silent majority' in the UK feel about the current situation, despite what the mainstream media would have us believe. 

 

Back on topic, I thought Italy, Spain and Greece's songs deserved more points, but their performances were too heterosexual I guess. Didn't rate the winning song at all. 

I liked Spain and also Norway which was not well received at all.

I totally reject your assertion that "too heterosexual" songs can't win. 

The Croatia song that almost won wasn't LGBT at all.

Also France did really well (though for some reason did nothing for me).

Spaceman UK previously which would have won if not for the Ukraine war before wasn't LGBT at all, nor was the Ukraine song.

Israel this year also not LGBT at all had a really good song and would have had a chance to win in a regular year.

Yeah sure LGBT related songs do win at Eurovision SOME YEARS, but by no means does a song need to be that to have a shot.

Edited May 14 by Jingthing

[Seppius]

My favorite UK entry, hit 2nd place all the way back to 1961, very underrated song and arrangement

 

 

https://youtu.be/gQSncOYk-Cs?si=X5UZAjKEqkysVa2V

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[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, Seppius said:

My favorite UK entry, hit 2nd place all the way back to 1961, very underrated song and arrangement

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQSncOYk-Cs

Fascinating to watch. The innocence and clean cut performances back in the day. Love it! 

 

Maybe they'd have got 1st place if they had worn leather chaps? 

 

I blame Bucks Fizz for the decline in standards, after their skirt whipping off antics...

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I liked Spain and also Norway which was not well received at all.

I totally reject your assertion that "too heterosexual" songs can't win. 

The Croatia song that almost won wasn't LGBT at all.

Also France did really well (though for some reason did nothing for me).

Spaceman UK previously which would have won if not for the Ukraine war before wasn't LGBT at all, nor was the Ukraine song.

Israel this year also not LGBT at all had a really good song and would have had a chance to win in a regular year.

Yeah sure LGBT related songs do win at Eurovision SOME YEARS, but by no means does a song need to be that to have a shot.

Fair points

[chickenslegs]

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Zero.votes from the public.

Zero.

Let that sink in.

What!

Even his mother didn't vote for him?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, chickenslegs said:

What!

Even his mother didn't vote for him?

You can't vote for your own country.

[chickenslegs]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You can't vote for your own country.

I did not know that, thanks.

I miss the old days when we (UK) were guaranteed 10 points each from Greece and Cyprus. I guess we could thank Prince Philip for that (RIP you old codger - my favourite royal).

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

I did not know that, thanks.

I miss the old days when we (UK) were guaranteed 10 points each from Greece and Cyprus. I guess we could thank Prince Philip for that (RIP you old codger - my favourite royal).

That's the jury part of the vote.

Olly got some jury votes but on the global public vote he got nothing. You can vote up to 20 times.

He got some public votes of course but in no country were there enough to add up to even one point based on the system used (watch video). So based on the rules, he indeed got zero votes.

In my view, the drama of the voting system for the grand final is one the best parts of the Eurovision entertainment, if not the best.

 

I don't feel like watching it again but I think that Olly was the ONLY entrant to get zero on the global public vote this year. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

 

Edited May 14 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

She went there.