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Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

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I have been to Ukraine several times on business and I have family there. I have also been to Russia on business. I would not be able to count how many times.   Russia blatantly vi

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As long as commentators in the west preface with 'if Putin wins', they disclose how much they still believe in their own delusional propaganda. There are only two possible scenarios - Russia wins and

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EU countries will do it, regardless of Trump. Whether it's wasteful or not is not important. The expenditure will simply be necessary if Putin wins. Several countries are already thinking about r

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17 hours ago, Mavideol said:

because he knows he will get destroyed

 

Head of British Armed Forces explains what deters Putin from declaring war on NATO

 

Head of British Armed Forces explains what deters Putin from declaring war on NATO

Don't forget that Vladimir recently became friends with Kim. I believe that Kim explained to Vladimir that the power of the Eastern democratic leader is largely based on the image of the enemy. Therefore, Vladimir will be able to greatly strengthen his power and may even be canonized if he does not rush and allows the enemy to show himself and terrify the Russian people.
This is why changes to the Russian nuclear doctrine were made only after the first strikes with long-range missiles. Thus Biden was provoked. Now Vladimir can follow Kim's example and print thousands of posters with a terrible image of the enemy and enjoy the image of a savior with unlimited power. Most likely, after the recent publication of changes to the Russian nuclear doctrine, the decision to use missiles will be (silently?) reviewed.

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the MF has the right to bring NK in, sending missiles whenever and wherever he wants but Ukraine doesn't have the rights to defend themselves... Putin is an invader and a killer of many innocent people including children

Russia: US adding ‘fuel to the fire’ with Ukraine missiles decision

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-us-adding-fuel-fire-155124261.html

 

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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All of which could have been avoided had Zelensky negotiated before the invasion.

That's not true. 

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All of which could have been avoided had Zelensky negotiated before the invasion.

 

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One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

 

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One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

 

Simply wrong, Zelensky won his election on making peace with Russia, the US and its allies wanted war, they wanted Ukraine to be in NATO and they wanted the resources of eastern Ukraine (it is a proxy war with the west using Ukraine manpower) Russia always said it would not accept NATO nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

The US and NATO have spent billions on this war so far and Russia has destroyed the Ukrainian army, make no mistake all those high tech weapons are not fired by Ukrainians, they are fired by the western allies using western satellites and information, the info input into the targets is done by the western allies, we in the west have been at war with Russia from the start, and it is not going very well for the west, Ukraine.

IF the info is true and the west are now going to target points deep in Russia then you are simply at war with Russia and how are the Russians to know if the missiles are nuclear or not? they will assume they are, and we all will know what happens then.

Remember the lies we were all told about  the weapons of mass destruction that Iraq had, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya  and the billions the defense industry is making out of the never ending wars, why not spend all that money on the health service and invest in your countries infra structure  

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“Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea.

Let’s say you have a (nuclear?) gun and there is another guy who has 100 million dollars in cash. The question is - who will have both the gun and the money? Easy, right?

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They brought in North Koreans, and now it turns out that the Russians are also conscripting Ukrainians from occupied territory to fight against their own country:

 

"Russia has bolstered the ranks of its army with conscripts from the occupied territories of Ukraine, according to Russian state media.

Recruits from the regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia were formally inducted at a ceremonial rally in Crimea last week, a Kremlin-controlled broadcaster reported, adding they will serve in occupied eastern Ukraine."

 

Russia enlists more Ukrainians from occupied regions to fight their own country – POLITICO

 

"Moscow-installed occupation administrations (in occupied parts of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions) regularly posted announcements on Telegram channels, calling on the local population eligible for the military service to provide personal data and copies of IDs for "temporary registration" and subsequent conscription."

 

Russia's autumn conscription: How many of the 133,000 draftees will end up in Ukraine? | Euronews

 

And the same item states that, under Russian law, conscripts are not allowed to be sent to fight outside the country. However, they get around that by declaring the occupied regions are part of Russia, and by having conscripts sign contracts with the army, allowing them to be deployed anywhere.  And, if you're conscripted, you don't even need to sign a contract to be given one:

 

"... the main thing is that the practice of falsifying documents is very widely used. The contract is signed for the conscript (by recruiters who) put an 'x' in the signature box. The soldier finds out about it when he receives a bank card and documents about allowance..."

 

Seems Putin is breaking his own country's laws (though when did he ever care about that), as well as international ones (ditto), in order to provide meat to the mincers.  And his apologists keep trying to tell us he already has enough soldiers.

 

 

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