HammerGuy Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 25 minutes ago, Georgealbert said: Sorry my post was not aimed at your comment, which I fully agree with. Was just posting an analyses of some data posted in an aviation forum. No worries pal 👊🏽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 20 treated for spinal injuries. Nightmare https://bbc.com/news/articles/cw55192rd9lo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Part of the safety chat the hostesses do at the beginning of flights should warn that in extreme turbulence you can hit the roof, I don't think they warn about any of that, people probably think it's just bumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Following this incident, Singapore Airlines have now issued a revised policy for cabin crews routines/services. “The first change is that cabin crew must now be seated and belted in whenever the seatbelt sign goes on, as opposed to previously where they would only suspend hot drinks service, but continue with all other activities unless the pilot deemed the turbulence severe enough for the crew to be seated as well. The second change — which may be particular to my flight — is that the second meal was served at the mid-point, instead of the usual 2.5 hours before landing. The idea behind this is that the weather closer to Singapore can be more unpredictable, and because of the requirement that cabin crew are seated whenever the seatbelt sign goes on, there may not be sufficient time to complete the service otherwise“ https://milelion.com/2024/05/23/singapore-airlines-modifies-cabin-service-routines-following-turbulence-incident/ The airline said it’s taking a “more cautious approach” to managing turbulence, but the policy revision stops short of requiring all passengers to wear seatbelts throughout the flight. Edited May 24 by Georgealbert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Singapore Airlines update 8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris333 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 The captain of the aircraft will have given statement to the investigating authorities of Flight Safety and Ground Office as well as they will have analyzed the flight recorder (orange box) of the aircraft to see the conversation between the crew as well as the speed - angle of attack of the aircraft etc. as well as the update of weather report etc. Certainly Singapore Airlines are responsible for the death of Britain passenger and serious injuries of passengers. Turbolence can increase aiplane speed from 260 knots to ........825 knots........... When Is Turbulence In An Airplane Dangerous? | Curious Pilot Explains #1 Airline Pilot Reveals Tips About Turbulence (You Don't Need to Be Scared) (in 10.000 hours flight he confronted 2 times instances of severe turbolences) Degrees of turbolence Light Moderate Severe Exreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris333 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Samitivej Hospital issued its 2nd statement revealing that 27 patients have been discharged and returned home, while 58 remain hospitalized. The hospital reported that on May 21, a total of 84 injured passengers were referred to Samitivej and other hospitals for treatment, while 19 received treatment at the Samitivej Suvarnabhumi Airport clinic – a total of 103 people. As of May 22, 27 patients have completed treatment and been discharged home. Of the remaining injured, 41 are still hospitalized at Samitivej Srinakarin, 15 at Samitivej Sukhumvit, and 2 at Bangkok Hospita Source: https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/27-injured-singapore-airlines-flight-sq321-passengers-discharged-58-still-hospitalized-461315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Singapore update no. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 (edited) Singapore Airlines update 10. It states that the aircraft involved has now been flown back to Singapore, so is obviously flight worthy. The investigation team must have downloaded all “black box” data and voice recorders, and were happy to release the aircraft. I would expect further checks, maybe modified C and D checks and maintenance/repairs, before again carrying passengers. Edited May 26 by Georgealbert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Article about the incident and crisis response by BKK airport, and Singapore Airlines (SIA), both in the air and on the ground. “SIA’s rapid actions and clear communications have been widely lauded, starting with the pilot’s decision to land in Bangkok, instead of Yangon. The airline has a bigger station in the Thai capital and medical facilities there could cope better with the emergency. One passenger Josh Silverstone praised the cabin crew for checking on people despite several being themselves badly hurt. Another passenger, Andrew Davies, recalled that the flight attendants were “stoic and did everything they could”. The jet was met at Suvarnabhumi Airport by ambulances and medical workers who ferried victims to nearby hospitals. Malaysia student Dzafran Azmir lauded the airport and SIA staff for taking care of injured and uninjured passengers. By that evening, an SIA relief plane left for Bangkok. SIA CEO Goh Choon Phong met returning passengers on arrival early Wednesday morning and also flew to meet those still in Bangkok.” https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/singapore-airlines-sia-sq321-turbulence-crisis-response-death-injuries-4361101 The video in the article also supports many of the comments made in this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Off topic removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Singapore Airlines update 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 5/25/2024 at 1:22 AM, Paris333 said: Samitivej Hospital issued its 2nd statement revealing that 27 patients have been discharged and returned home, while 58 remain hospitalized. Discharged. So somebody must've cleared their bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Seems that IATA (The International Air Transport Association) have developed a new data exchange platform called ‘Turbulence Aware’ which is designed to provide airlines with better information for flights. Singapore Airlines are not currently part of this program. “A global, industry-wide, data exchange platform, Turbulence Aware receives the existing airline data from ground servers, performs quality control, deidentifies data, and provides the data back to airlines via a ground-to-ground system-to-system connection. Turbulence Aware viewer via wifi – Mapped real-time turbulence reports inform your operational decision-making Integration with in-house or third-party flight planning or in-flight weather tools – To speed up decision-making EDR-based – Energy/eddy-dissipation rate (EDR) is a calculated estimate of the atmosphere’s turbulent state. It is NOT a measure of the response of an individual aircraft. It is the official ICAO & WMO metric for measuring turbulence intensity Detailed report available for each data point – Including time, altitude, aircraft position, mean and peak EDR values as well as wind and temperature data, to increase situational awareness.” https://www.iata.org/en/services/statistics/safety-data/turbulence-platform/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Singapore Airline update 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris333 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Singapore Airlines Changes Seatbelt Policy, Adjusts Route After Incident Singapore Airlines (SIA) is implementing new safety protocols following a recent severe turbulence incident on flight SQ321. The new measures see a focus on stricter adherence to seatbelt sign protocols. To prioritize passenger safety during turbulence, Singapore Airlines will now halt meal and hot beverage service whenever the seatbelt sign comes on. Suspending meal service at these times ensures passengers remain securely seated, minimizing the risk of injury from unexpected turbulence. Source: https://aviationsourcenews.com/airline/singapore-airlines-changes-seatbelt-policy-adjusts-route-after-incident/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still kicking Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 25 minutes ago, Paris333 said: Singapore Airlines Changes Seatbelt Policy, Adjusts Route After Incident Singapore Airlines (SIA) is implementing new safety protocols following a recent severe turbulence incident on flight SQ321. The new measures see a focus on stricter adherence to seatbelt sign protocols. To prioritize passenger safety during turbulence, Singapore Airlines will now halt meal and hot beverage service whenever the seatbelt sign comes on. Suspending meal service at these times ensures passengers remain securely seated, minimizing the risk of injury from unexpected turbulence. Source: https://aviationsourcenews.com/airline/singapore-airlines-changes-seatbelt-policy-adjusts-route-after-incident/ What happens if you have to go to the toilet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris333 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 If the lights in cabin are blinking red you ought to obey the rules and instructions given from aircrew but if you need immediatly to go to the toilet then it is your responsibility if you hit badly from turbolence . Cabin crews are for our safety and it is mandatory for them during taxing of aircraft to the main runway to make presentation for passengers showing them how to wear their seat belts and safety inflatable life jacket under of passengers seat furthermore they give explanations for color lights above of each seat. I know its borring and I always take a nap before flights from Athens to Doha airport (5.30 hours) to Thailand and another 5 hours from Doha to Bangkok Suvarnabhumi airport totally 10.30 hours. You probably think I am rude taking a nap during aircrew presentation but I have worked and I already know the safety procedures steps in combat aircafts at Flight Simulator of Mirage-F1cg - Mirage-2000eg -Mirage-2000-5 aircafts and I want to fly also at Flight Simulator of Rafale F3 aircafts but I have no free time in Athens because I worked in 2 jobs daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Will the passengers on the flight be entitled to additional compensation. “A Brisbane personal injury firm is investigating whether passengers who experienced the severe and fatal turbulence on-board the Singapore Airlines flight could be entitled to compensation payouts. Carter Capner Law said it is currently investigating if the weather or human error is to blame for turbulence on board Singapore Airlines Flight 321” https://australianaviation.com.au/2024/05/singapore-airlines-passengers-may-be-compensated-for-turbulence/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 The need to fasten seatbelts, are turbulence related incidents on the rise? https://www.aerosociety.com/news/fasten-seatbelts-are-turbulence-related-incidents-on-the-rise/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, still kicking said: What happens if you have to go to the toilet? Nothing has changed about going to the toilet, you just wait until the seat belt sign is off and the aircraft is clear of possible turbulence. The new policy, stops meal service when the sign is on, cabin crew to be seated and trolleys stowed, as Singapore Airlines said it’s taking a “more cautious approach” to managing turbulence, but the airline also confirmed the policy revision stops short of requiring all passengers to wear seatbelts throughout the flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) TSIB (Transport Safety Investigation Bureau) preliminary investigation findings. https://www.mot.gov.sg/news/press-releases/Details/transport-safety-investigation-bureau-preliminary-investigation-findings-of-incident-involving-sq321 As stated before this was a very short but violent turbulence event, lasting about 5 seconds, and the maximum drop being 178 feet, which caused the injuries. The 6000 feet decrease was pilot controlled and not part of the turbulence event. Edited May 29 by Georgealbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Singapore Airline’s response to TSIB (Transport Safety Investigation Bureau) preliminary investigation findings, posted above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) Singapore Airline’s update 13. Edited May 29 by Georgealbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Daley Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 People not wearing a seatbelt paying the price for it. Pure joy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Chris Daley said: People not wearing a seatbelt paying the price for it. Pure joy. Why so much nonsense, try reading the thread, meals were being served and it was only 8 seconds from the pilot putting the seat belt sign on to the turbulence event. You clearly either a troll, suffer alethophobia, or just like to prove your as sharp as a marble. Edited May 29 by Georgealbert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 (edited) Singapore Airlines update 14. Still 25 passengers in hospital. Edited May 30 by Georgealbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Singapore Airlines update 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 6 minutes ago, Georgealbert said: Singapore Airlines update 15. are Singapore Airlines paying for their medical costs where needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPriority Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said: are Singapore Airlines paying for their medical costs where needed? You could read the thread, in particular @Georgealbert’s post from Wednesday @2:32. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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