UN Security Council Approves US-Led Ceasefire Plan for Israel-Gaza Conflict

[Social Media]

 

The United Nations Security Council has given its strong backing to a US-proposed ceasefire plan for the Israel-Gaza conflict, voting 14-1 in favor of the resolution. This comprehensive plan sets forth a detailed roadmap designed to bring an end to the hostilities that have ravaged the region and to establish conditions for long-term peace and reconstruction.

 

The resolution, which aims to establish a "full and complete ceasefire," includes several critical components. These encompass the release of hostages held by Hamas, the return of the remains of deceased hostages, and the exchange of Palestinian prisoners. The plan is structured in three phases, each building towards a sustainable peace and a multi-year reconstruction effort for Gaza.

 

The first phase emphasizes a hostage-prisoner swap and a short-term ceasefire. This initial step is seen as crucial for building trust between the conflicting parties and setting the stage for more comprehensive peace measures.

 

The second phase is focused on achieving a permanent end to hostilities. This includes a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, which is considered essential for lasting peace in the region. The text of the US draft resolution clearly outlines this goal, marking a significant step towards de-escalation.

 

The third phase of the plan looks towards the future of Gaza, proposing a multi-year reconstruction plan. This phase is designed to address the extensive destruction that Gaza has endured due to ongoing conflicts, aiming to rebuild the region and improve living conditions for its residents.

 

President Joe Biden had earlier indicated that Israel agreed to the three-phase plan, which aims to bring about a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Following the Security Council's approval, US Ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, expressed her approval, stating, "Today we voted for peace."

 

 

UK Ambassador Barbara Woodward highlighted the dire situation in Gaza, describing it as "catastrophic" and urging the conflicting parties to take this opportunity to move towards lasting peace. "The suffering has gone on for far too long," Woodward remarked. "We call upon the parties to seize this opportunity and move towards lasting peace which guarantees security and stability for both the Israeli and Palestinian people."

 

The passage of this resolution comes weeks after a similar call for a ceasefire and the immediate release of hostages by the UN Security Council in March. The current resolution builds on these efforts, providing a structured and phased approach to resolving the conflict and addressing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. President Joe Biden said the Israelis agreed to a three-phase plan that would result in a permanent cease-fire in Gaza.

 

Russia's decision to abstain from the vote was notable, leaving the resolution with 14 votes in favor and no outright opposition. This abstention reflects the complex international dynamics at play, yet it did not hinder the overall support for the plan.

 

The endorsement of this plan by the Security Council marks a significant diplomatic achievement. It represents a concerted effort by the international community to address one of the most protracted and devastating conflicts in the Middle East. The multi-phase approach is designed not only to cease current hostilities but also to lay the groundwork for a sustainable and peaceful future for Gaza and its people.

 

In essence, this resolution is a call to action for both sides of the conflict. It emphasizes the importance of immediate humanitarian relief and sets a framework for long-term peace and reconstruction. The international community, through this resolution, is urging both Israel and Hamas to commit to this plan, release hostages, exchange prisoners, and ultimately work towards a peaceful coexistence.

 

As the implementation of this plan begins, all eyes will be on the region to see how the involved parties respond. The success of this initiative depends on the willingness of both sides to adhere to the outlined steps and the continued support and pressure from the international community.

 

The resolution's passage is a hopeful sign for many who have long awaited peace in the region. It brings a structured approach to ending the violence and provides a clear path towards rebuilding and recovery. The international community, through the UN Security Council, has made a strong statement in favor of peace, security, and the protection of human rights in Gaza and Israel.

 

Credit: BBC 2024-06-11

 

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[Hawaiian]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

The United Nations Security Council has given its strong backing to a US-proposed ceasefire plan for the Israel-Gaza conflict, voting 14-1 in favor of the resolution. This comprehensive plan sets forth a detailed roadmap designed to bring an end to the hostilities that have ravaged the region and to establish conditions for long-term peace and reconstruction.

 

The resolution, which aims to establish a "full and complete ceasefire," includes several critical components. These encompass the release of hostages held by Hamas, the return of the remains of deceased hostages, and the exchange of Palestinian prisoners. The plan is structured in three phases, each building towards a sustainable peace and a multi-year reconstruction effort for Gaza.

 

The first phase emphasizes a hostage-prisoner swap and a short-term ceasefire. This initial step is seen as crucial for building trust between the conflicting parties and setting the stage for more comprehensive peace measures.

 

The second phase is focused on achieving a permanent end to hostilities. This includes a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, which is considered essential for lasting peace in the region. The text of the US draft resolution clearly outlines this goal, marking a significant step towards de-escalation.

 

The third phase of the plan looks towards the future of Gaza, proposing a multi-year reconstruction plan. This phase is designed to address the extensive destruction that Gaza has endured due to ongoing conflicts, aiming to rebuild the region and improve living conditions for its residents.

 

President Joe Biden had earlier indicated that Israel agreed to the three-phase plan, which aims to bring about a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Following the Security Council's approval, US Ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, expressed her approval, stating, "Today we voted for peace."

 

 

UK Ambassador Barbara Woodward highlighted the dire situation in Gaza, describing it as "catastrophic" and urging the conflicting parties to take this opportunity to move towards lasting peace. "The suffering has gone on for far too long," Woodward remarked. "We call upon the parties to seize this opportunity and move towards lasting peace which guarantees security and stability for both the Israeli and Palestinian people."

 

The passage of this resolution comes weeks after a similar call for a ceasefire and the immediate release of hostages by the UN Security Council in March. The current resolution builds on these efforts, providing a structured and phased approach to resolving the conflict and addressing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. President Joe Biden said the Israelis agreed to a three-phase plan that would result in a permanent cease-fire in Gaza.

 

Russia's decision to abstain from the vote was notable, leaving the resolution with 14 votes in favor and no outright opposition. This abstention reflects the complex international dynamics at play, yet it did not hinder the overall support for the plan.

 

The endorsement of this plan by the Security Council marks a significant diplomatic achievement. It represents a concerted effort by the international community to address one of the most protracted and devastating conflicts in the Middle East. The multi-phase approach is designed not only to cease current hostilities but also to lay the groundwork for a sustainable and peaceful future for Gaza and its people.

 

In essence, this resolution is a call to action for both sides of the conflict. It emphasizes the importance of immediate humanitarian relief and sets a framework for long-term peace and reconstruction. The international community, through this resolution, is urging both Israel and Hamas to commit to this plan, release hostages, exchange prisoners, and ultimately work towards a peaceful coexistence.

 

As the implementation of this plan begins, all eyes will be on the region to see how the involved parties respond. The success of this initiative depends on the willingness of both sides to adhere to the outlined steps and the continued support and pressure from the international community.

 

The resolution's passage is a hopeful sign for many who have long awaited peace in the region. It brings a structured approach to ending the violence and provides a clear path towards rebuilding and recovery. The international community, through the UN Security Council, has made a strong statement in favor of peace, security, and the protection of human rights in Gaza and Israel.

 

Credit: BBC 2024-06-11

 

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As long as Hamas' constitution mandates that they destroy Israel the ceasefire will not last long.  There must be a provision in the agreement for Hamas to amend their constitution otherwise Hamas will be obliged to continue hostilities sooner or later.

For those who say this provision can come later, I say stop wasting your breath.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

President Joe Biden had earlier indicated that Israel agreed to the three-phase plan, which aims to bring about a permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

He keeps saying that, but it's by no means clear that netanyahu or the ultra right wing members of his government will agree. They have made statements indicating they wish to continue the conflict, as reported by Al Jazeera.

 

Hamas, according to Al Jazeera. has said it's looking positively at agreeing.

[Hawaiian]

42 minutes ago, Presto said:

The obsession with Hamas is misguided.

C. 50-60.000 Palestinian civilians dead, half of them children, people driven to starvation, purposely denied medical care. While ethnic cleansing both on the West Bank and in Gaza continues with impunity.

Anyone who thinks the Palestinians take that lying down, that it doesn't breed new resistance, new hatred against Israel, under whatever name, is delusional.

It's not an obsession.  The reality is that Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza and therefore still represents them.  Tell me, who else is there to negotiate with? 

As for your accusations, why is Israel only to blame?  Seems as if you are misinformed.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

There must be a provision in the agreement for Hamas to amend their constitution otherwise Hamas will be obliged to continue hostilities sooner or later.

You seem to think it is only Hamas that have been doing anything wrong. Rather blinkered. This who mess was started by Israel. 

[Presto]

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

It's not an obsession.  The reality is that Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza and therefore still represents them.  Tell me, who else is there to negotiate with? 

As for your accusations, why is Israel only to blame?  Seems as if you are misinformed.

Ok, you just don't get it. Hamas is an organization, yes. At the moment they are the ones to negotiate with. But Hamas is also a way for Palestinians to find an outlet for their frustration of being oppressed for decades. It doesn't matter if you agree with that feeling, it doesn't matter if I agree with that feeling.

Israel has been bombing the sh*t out of Gaza with supposedly the goal of eliminating Hamas. Obviously that hasn't worked after eight months, which is a little embarrassing. 

If Hamas disappears from the scene, hypothetically, some other organization will come, with maybe similar goals as Hamas, or maybe different. What will remain is a feeling, and the will, of resistance against a violent and racist oppressor.

 

[CharlieKo]

US Ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, is a liar. Neither Hamas or Israel have agreed to any such deal. 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Presto said:

Ok, you just don't get it. Hamas is an organization, yes. At the moment they are the ones to negotiate with. But Hamas is also a way for Palestinians to find an outlet for their frustration of being oppressed for decades. It doesn't matter if you agree with that feeling, it doesn't matter if I agree with that feeling.

Israel has been bombing the sh*t out of Gaza with supposedly the goal of eliminating Hamas. Obviously that hasn't worked after eight months, which is a little embarrassing. 

If Hamas disappears from the scene, hypothetically, some other organization will come, with maybe similar goals as Hamas, or maybe different. What will remain is a feeling, and the will, of resistance against a violent and racist oppressor.

 

What is likely is that if Hamas is eliminated the organization that replaces it will be more violent against israelis.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Here's the text of the proposed deal:

 

General Principles for an agreement between the Israeli side and the Palestinian side in Gaza on the exchange of hostages and prisoners and restoring a sustainable calm

 

Israel response on 6 May 2024 proposal

 

This framework's purpose is the release of all civilian and military Israeli hostages in the Gaza Strip whether living or not whom have been detained during all periods in exchange for a number that will be agreed upon of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons, and restoring a sustainable calm which would achieve a permanent ceasefire, the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, the reconstruction of Gaza, opening of the border crossings, and facilitating movement of people and transfer of goods.

 

The framework agreement is made of 3 stages which are interconnected, subject to the following:

 

The First stage (42 days):

 

1. Temporary cessation of military operations by both Parties and the withdrawal of Israeli forces eastwards away from densely populated areas along the borders in all areas of the Gaza strip including Gaza valley (Netzarim axis and Kuwait roundabout) as mentioned below.

2. Temporary cessation of aerial movement (military and surveillance) in the Gaza strip for 10 hours daily, and for 12 hours daily during days where exchange of hostages and prisoners will take place.

3. Return of the internally displaced to their place of residence and the withdrawal from Gaza valley (Netzarim axis and Kuwait roundabout):

a. On day 7 (after the release of 7 of the female hostages), Israeli forces will completely withdraw from Rasheed street eastwards to Salah ad Din street, and the complete dismantling of military sites and installations in the area, the commencement of return of internally displaced to their place of residence (without carrying arms while returning), the freedom of movement of the population in all areas of the Gaza strip, and the entry of humanitarian aid through Rashid street from day 1 without restrictions.

b. On day 22, Israeli Forces will withdraw from the central Gaza strip (especially Natsarim axis and Kuwait roundabout axis) eastwards of Salahuddin Street to an area along the border, the complete dismantling of military sites and installations the continuation of return of internally displaced to their place of residence (without carrying arms while returning) in northern Gaza strip, and the freedom movement of the population in all areas of the Gaza strip.

c. Starting from day 1, the entry of increased and adequate humanitarian aid and relief and fuel (600 trucks dally to include 50 trucks of fuel, 300 of which to the north), including fuel necessary for the operation of the power plant, trade and civilian equipment necessary to remove rubble, and the rehabilitation and operation of hospitals, medical centers and bakeries in all areas of the Gaza strip, and the continuation of the above mentioned throughout the stages of the agreement.

4. Exchange of hostages and prisoners:

During this stage, Hamas shall release 33 of the Israeli hostages (living and human remains) who are women (civilians and soldiers), children (under 19 years who are not soldiers), elderly (above 50 years) and ill and wounded civilians, in exchange for a number of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons and detention centers, in according to the following:

a. Hamas will release all living Israeli civilian women and children (under 19 years who are not soldiers), in exchange of Israel releasing 30 children and women for each Israeli hostage that will be released, subject to lists to be provided by Hamas based on precedence of their imprisonment.

b. Hamas will release all living Israeli elderly (over 50 years), ill and wounded civilians, in exchange for Israel releasing 30 elderly (over 50 years), and ill prisoners (limited up to 15 years remaining time in prison) for each Israeli hostage that will be released, subject to lists to be provided by Hamas based on the precedence of their imprisonment.

c. Hamas will release all living Israeli women soldiers, in exchange of Israel releasing 50 prisoners in Israeli prisons each Israeli hostage that will be released (30 serving life sentences, 20 other sentences limited up to 15 years remaining time in prison) subject to lists to be provided by Hamas, except an agreed upon number of prisoners (at least 100) who will be discussed in Stage 2. An agreed upon number (at least 50) of prisoners with a life sentence will be released abroad or in Gaza

5. The mechanism for exchange of hostages and prisoners between the two sides during Stage 1:

a. On day 1, Hamas will release 3 Israeli civilian female hostages. On day 7, Hamas will release additional 4 Israeli civilian female hostages. Thereafter, Hamas will release 3 Israeli hostages every 7 days, beginning with women (civilians and soldiers), and all living hostages to be released before the release of human remains. During the 6t week, Hamas will release all remaining hostages included in this stage in exchange for Israel releasing the agreed number of Palestinian prisoners from Israeli prisons, subject to lists to be provided by Hamas.

b. By day 7, Hamas will provide information on the numbers of Israeli hostages that will be released during this stage.

c. On week 6 (after the release of Hisam El-Sayed and Avera Mangisto who will be included in the total number of 33 hostages agreed to be released during Stage 1), the Israeli side will release 47 prisoners of the Shalit deal that were re-detained.

d. In the event that the number of living Israeli hostages to be released during this stage does not reach 33, the difference will be completed through the release of a corresponding number of human remains from the same categories for this stage. In exchange, Israel will release all women and children (under 19 years who are not militants) who were detained from the Gaza strip after 7 October 2023 and this will be done on Week 6.

e. The exchange is connected to the adherence to the obligations in the agreement including the cessation of military operations by both sides, the withdrawal of Israeli forces, the return of internally displaced and entry of humanitarian aid.

6. The released Palestinian prisoners will be not be rearrested based on the same charges they were previously arrested on, and the Israeli side will not initiate the return of the released Palestinian prisoners to serve their remaining sentenced time. The released Palestinian prisoners will not be required to sign any document as a condition to their release

7. The keys on the exchange of hostages and prisoners in Stage 1 mentioned above shall not be considered as a basis for the exchange keys in Stage 2.

8. No later than day 16, the commencement of indirect negotiations between the two sides to agree on the conditions for implementing stage 2 of this agreement, including those relating to the keys for the exchange of hostages and prisoners [soldiers and remaining men), and this should be concluded and agreed upon before the end of week 5 of this stage.

9. The UN and its agencies and other organizations will undertake their work in providing humanitarian services in all areas of the Gaza strip, and the continuations of the above mentioned throughout the stages of the agreement.

10. The commencement of rehabilitation of the infrastructure (electricity, water, sewage, communications and roads) in all areas of the Gaza strip, and the entry of an agreed quantity of necessary equipment for civil defense and the removal of rubble, and the continuation of the above mentioned, throughout the stages of the agreement.

11. Facilitate the entry of supplies and requirements to accommodate the internally displaced who lost their homes during the war (no less than 60 thousand temporary homes-caravans-and 200 thousand tents).

12. After all Israeli female soldiers have been released, permitting the number to be agreed upon of wounded military individuals to travel to the Rafah crossing to receive medical treatment, and the increase in the number of travelers and ill and wounded through the Rafah crossing and removal of restrictions on travel and return of movement of goods and trade. 

13. Commencement of the necessary arrangements and plans for the comprehensive reconstruction of houses, civilian facilities and civilian infrastructure that was destroyed during the war, supporting those affected under the supervision of a number of countries and organizations Including Egypt, Qatar and the UN.

14. All procedures in this stage including the temporary cessation of military operations by both sides, aid and shelter effort, withdrawal of forces, etc., will continue in stage 2 so long as the negotiations on the conditions for implementing stage 2 of this agreement are ongoing. The guarantors of this agreement shall make every effort to ensure that those indirect negotiations continue until both sides are able to reach agreement on the conditions for implementing stage 2 of this agreement.

 

#The Second stage (42 days):

 

15. Announce restoration of a sustainable calm (cessation of military operations and hostilities permanently) and its commencement prior to the exchange of hostages and prisoners between the two sides - all remaining Israeli hostages who are living men (civilians and soldiers) in exchange for a number of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detention centers and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza strip.

 

The Third stage (42 days):

 

16. The exchange of all human remains with the two sides after locating and identifying them.

17. The commencement of the implementation of the plan for reconstruction of the Gaza strip for the duration of 3-5 years including houses, civilian facilities and civilian infrastructure and the support of all those affected under the supervision pf a number of countries and organizations including Egypt, Qatar and the UN. 

18. Opening of the border crossings, facilitating movement of people and transfer of goods.

 

Guarantors of the Agreement:
Qatar, Egypt and US

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-war-text-ceasefire-proposal-approved-israel

From my understanding there is no guarantee of a progression between the stages, nor that the ceasefire will continue.

IMO too many loopholes for israel to go back to destroying Gaza and Gazans, once more hostages are released.

[Presto]

25 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

US Ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, is a liar. Neither Hamas or Israel have agreed to any such deal. 

 

 

 

As are the various spokes persons like Jake Sullivan and Matthew Miller. One has to wonder how much of a liar Biden is.

[Hawaiian]

29 minutes ago, Presto said:

Ok, you just don't get it. Hamas is an organization, yes. At the moment they are the ones to negotiate with. But Hamas is also a way for Palestinians to find an outlet for their frustration of being oppressed for decades. It doesn't matter if you agree with that feeling, it doesn't matter if I agree with that feeling.

Israel has been bombing the sh*t out of Gaza with supposedly the goal of eliminating Hamas. Obviously that hasn't worked after eight months, which is a little embarrassing. 

If Hamas disappears from the scene, hypothetically, some other organization will come, with maybe similar goals as Hamas, or maybe different. What will remain is a feeling, and the will, of resistance against a violent and racist oppressor.

 

Hamas is not just an organization.  They are the elected de facto government of Gaza, whether you like it or not. 

Seems as you do not understand that this is urban warfare where one side has embedded itself within the civilian population.  Civilian casualties, which Israel has attempted to minimize, are inevitable in such a situation.  Every day that goes by Israel is condemned for these casualties. 

In eight months Israel has reduced Hamas's military capacity by roughly 85%.  Maybe less, maybe more. 

As for what comes next is anyone's guess.  Even if a more militant faction replaces Hamas, do you think that would have the capacity to put up much resistance to the IDF? 

I may be mistaken, but I think the strategy is to keep the administrative branch of Hamas intact while neutralizing its military.

[Presto]

21 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Hamas is not just an organization.  They are the elected de facto government of Gaza, whether you like it or not. 

Seems as you do not understand that this is urban warfare where one side has embedded itself within the civilian population.  Civilian casualties, which Israel has attempted to minimize, are inevitable in such a situation.  Every day that goes by Israel is condemned for these casualties. 

In eight months Israel has reduced Hamas's military capacity by roughly 85%.  Maybe less, maybe more. 

As for what comes next is anyone's guess.  Even if a more militant faction replaces Hamas, do you think that would have the capacity to put up much resistance to the IDF? 

I may be mistaken, but I think the strategy is to keep the administrative branch of Hamas intact while neutralizing its military.

Sorry, you're just parroting Israel's and IDF propaganda. But that's ok.

After reading your post more carefully, you definitely are a proponent of Israel's ethnic cleansing and expanding their military suppression from the West Bank to Gaza, whatever is left of it.

You support Israel's dehumanizing of Palestinians, followed by endless wat crimes. Good luck with that attitude.

Edited June 11 by Presto

[Hawaiian]

6 minutes ago, Presto said:

Sorry, you're just parroting Israel's and IDF propaganda. But that's ok.

After reading your post more carefully, you definitely are a proponent of Israel's ethnic cleansing and expanding their military suppression from the West Bank to Gaza, whatever is left if it.

You support Israel's dehumanizing of Palestinians, followed by endless wat crimes. Good luck with that attitude.

You excel at making innuendos, but offer no viable solutions. 

Edited June 11 by Hawaiian

[Bkk Brian]

Press Hamas to say yes.

 

Blinken urges Middle East leaders to press Hamas for a ceasefire

 

 

[retarius]

2 hours ago, Presto said:

The obsession with Hamas is misguided.

C. 50-60.000 Palestinian civilians dead, half of them children, people driven to starvation, purposely denied medical care. While ethnic cleansing both on the West Bank and in Gaza continues with impunity.

Anyone who thinks the Palestinians take that lying down, that it doesn't breed new resistance, new hatred against Israel, under whatever name, is delusional.

Preston a nice moral stand, that it boggles my mind that anyone would be picky enough to quibble with.

[Presto]

7 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

You excel at making innuendos, but offer no viable solutions. 

The solution would be for Israel to go back to the pre-67 borders, and abandon all illegal settlements on the West Bank. But that will never happen.

[Social Media]

A post blatantly over fair use policy has been removed. Another post making inflamatory unsubstantiated claims removed with it.

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

[Presto]

27 minutes ago, retarius said:

Preston a nice moral stand, that it boggles my mind that anyone would be picky enough to quibble with.

It's not a moral stand, it's a realistic stand. 

How do you think the parents, family, of Hind Rajab feel about Israel?

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, CharlieKo said:

US Ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, is a liar. Neither Hamas or Israel have agreed to any such deal. 

 

 

 

 

What on earth are the US thinking here, Israel clearly want no part of this yet the US claim they are on board with the proposal. What a waste of time and effort by the negotiators, this should never have been put to the UNSC unless Israel was committed to it, clearly from the comments of the Israeli representative they have no wish to end this war without a total Hamas capitulation. 

[placnx]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

The solution would be for Israel to go back to the pre-67 borders, and abandon all illegal settlements on the West Bank. But that will never happen.

It might happen if the World gets sufficiently agitated.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

The solution would be for Israel to go back to the pre-67 borders, and abandon all illegal settlements on the West Bank. But that will never happen.

Of course any solution would expect all illegal settlements to be abandoned.The ball is in Israel’s court, give back the stolen land. Give Palestinians a state, stop Apartheid in Israel.

[Presto]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course any solution would expect all illegal settlements to be abandoned.The ball is in Israel’s court, give back the stolen land. Give Palestinians a state, stop Apartheid in Israel.

It will only happen if America forces Israel to go that route. There is absolutely no sign that that will happen this century. 

On the contrary, Biden is allowing illegal settlements, is allowing the violence of the illegal settlers against Palestinian farmers. There's no other conclusion than that Biden is also a supporter of ethnic cleansing.

And the babbling about a two state solution, by Schumer, Biden or Blinken, is just that, babbling.

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, Presto said:

It will only happen if America forces Israel to go that route. There is absolutely no sign that that will happen this century. 

On the contrary, Biden is allowing illegal settlements, is allowing the violence of the illegal settlers against Palestinian farmers. There's no other conclusion than that Biden is also a supporter of ethnic cleansing.

And the babbling about a two state solution, by Schumer, Biden or Blinken, is just that, babbling.

If you allow something, you condone it. I think Biden is still giving weapons to Israel, but wants a ceasefire, insane.

[Presto]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

If you allow something, you condone it. I think Biden is still giving weapons to Israel, but wants a ceasefire, insane.

Typical American duplicity. An arrest warrant by ICJ for Putin is perfectly fine, an arrest warrant for Netanyahu leads to (threats of) American sanctions against the ICJ.

Some senator made it clear: ICJ arrest warrants are for African dictators and thugs like Putin. Not for leaders of western democracies.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

The solution would be for Israel to go back to the pre-67 borders, and abandon all illegal settlements on the West Bank. But that will never happen.

 

   Jews can stay in the West bank settlements in a Palestinian state and become Palestinian citizens  , forcible removing them would be genocide and apartheid 

[Presto]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jews can stay in the West bank settlements in a Palestinian state and become Palestinian citizens  , forcible removing them would be genocide and apartheid 

Sure, I have those fever dreams too, sometimes. 

A far better solution would be one state. A state where Israelis and Palestinians would live together, with equal rights, in a true democracy.

Not going to happen.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Presto said:

Sure, I have those fever dreams too, sometimes. 

A far better solution would be one state. A state where Israelis and Palestinians would live together, with equal rights, in a true democracy.

Not going to happen.

 

   That is currently the situation in Israel .

Israelis , both Israeli Jews and Israel Palestinians live together in one Country with equal rights .

   Israelis and Palestinians living together peacefully It is currently happening .

   It is Hamas in Gaza who are causing the trouble 

[Presto]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is currently the situation in Israel .

Israelis , both Israeli Jews and Israel Palestinians live together in one Country with equal rights .

   Israelis and Palestinians living together peacefully It is currently happening .

   It is Hamas in Gaza who are causing the trouble 

You should dive quite a bit deeper. Many Palestinians living in Israel don't have equal rights.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Presto said:

You should dive quite a bit deeper. Many Palestinians living in Israel don't have equal rights.

 

   They do, All Israeli citizens living in Israel   have equal rights 

[Presto]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They do, All Israeli citizens living in Israel   have equal rights 

Palestinians in Israel have no freedom of movement. Look it up.

 

More info:

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en&center=global

Edited June 11 by Presto