New COVID Sub-variant KP.2 on the Rise in Thailand

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

And your credentials are? Medical professional? Scientist? Researcher?

How many people do you know that died? Healthy people. For me it's zero. New plenty that got covid though.

[Roo Island]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

How many people do you know that died? Healthy people. For me it's zero. New plenty that got covid though.

You are a covid denier. Hard to have an intelligent conversation. Listen to the science. Not social media or your limited interactions. Or mine! Look at the big picture. Jeez

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

  

 

 

"Botched public health messaging also allowed for [COVID vaccine] misinformation to run rampant. Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media.

 

"Patients need to know that like any vaccine, vaccine injury does occur, but these vaccines have a better safety profile than almost any others," Al-Aly said. "The rewards of getting the vaccine far outweigh the risks, and patients need to understand that."

 

Medscape

May 02, 2024

 

https://archive.ph/BxlSZ#selection-967.1-967.13

 

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"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines.

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There is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to excess mortality during the pandemic. Excess mortality largely coincides with peaks of SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly during the first waves when vaccines were not available. In fact, there is strong evidence that COVID-19 vaccines save lives and prevent the serious harm associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection.

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities

 

Right. No vaccine injuries and no deaths. People at the beginning who said this may happen were closed down. Censored and threatened into oblivion. If you didn't and still don't for the most part agree with the narrative means you're a conspiracy theorists. Well I'd rather be on the side of conspiracy using rational thinking to either agree or disagree rather than blind obedience. Guess that's why I've never believed in god. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Right. No vaccine injuries and no deaths.

 

Of course, that's not what the posted statements that you're responding to actually said.

 

What they actually said was:  "Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media."

 

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"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines."

 

[Amethyst]

A post with an unsourced and unsubstantiated off-topic claim has been removed.

 

[dinsdale]

29 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

You are a covid denier. Hard to have an intelligent conversation. Listen to the science. Not social media or your limited interactions. Or mine! Look at the big picture. Jeez

Maybe you can explain to me then why I'm a covid denier. I've had covid more than once. It exists. Why it exists is another question.

Edited June 21 by dinsdale

[stoner]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

2 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Tell that to the families of the more than 7 million who died. Many covid deaths weren't recognized as covid deaths.

I feel sorry for the people who died of cancer , heart disease etc because they couldn't get near a hospital.

 

or the more than 150k humans who die each and every day. 

[Roo Island]

48 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Right. No vaccine injuries and no deaths. People at the beginning who said this may happen were closed down. Censored and threatened into oblivion. If you didn't and still don't for the most part agree with the narrative means you're a conspiracy theorists. Well I'd rather be on the side of conspiracy using rational thinking to either agree or disagree rather than blind obedience. Guess that's why I've never believed in god. 

Censored for a very good reason. Misinformation and conspiracy theories. Sad some lean towards conspiracy theories rather than science. Hardly rational.

[Roo Island]

27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Maybe you can explain to me then why I'm a covid denier. I've had covid more than once. It exists. Why it exists is another question.

Read your posts. Nuff said. Covid denier and anti vaxxer

[Roo Island]

24 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

or the more than 150k humans who die each and every day. 

Your point?

[Ralf001]

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Totally different. Easy to get the jab to help prevent covid. 

 

Which jab prevents covid ?

Edited June 21 by Ralf001

[Roo Island]

On 6/21/2024 at 5:46 PM, dinsdale said:

Misinformation such as what? Vaccines can cause injury or even kill you? You can still get and spread covid even if you get jabbed? Is this the type of right wing misinformation you're talking about. Of course it's now fact not misinformation. Lab leak? Pure conspiracy. 

Any vaccine has side effects. But the benefits outweigh the risks. Bigly.

[Roo Island]

On 6/21/2024 at 8:42 PM, Ralf001 said:

 

Which jab prevents covid ?

None. But several reduce the symptoms and prevent you from dying

[dinsdale]

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Any vaccine has side effects. But the benefits outweigh the risks. Bigly.

I guess it depends on the % of people who get side effects and what those side effects are. 

[Ralf001]

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

None. But several reduce the symptoms and prevent you from dying

 

so a backflip on your previous claim.

 

Colour me surprised !

[Roo Island]

5 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

so a backflip on your previous claim.

 

Colour me surprised !

Never said jabs prevent covid. Reduce the symptoms so you don't end up in the hospital with a tube jammed down your throat? Or die? Absolutely.

[Roo Island]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I guess it depends on the % of people who get side effects and what those side effects are. 

Yup. Luckily, the benefits of the mRNA vastly outweighed the side effects. Billions of doses were administered

[Ralf001]

5 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Never said jabs prevent covid. Reduce the symptoms so you don't end up in the hospital with a tube jammed down your throat? Or die? Absolutely.

 

You previous post reads to me you said prevents covid.

 

[Roo Island]

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

You previous post reads to me you said prevents covid.

 

Keyword is HELP.

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Keyword is HELP.

yeah lets ignore the word PREVENTS.

[Roo Island]

4 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah lets ignore the word PREVENTS.

Help. Not totally. Nitpicking are you?

 

Edit. After my 3rd jab I got covid. Just a minor cough and felt poor for a few days. The jab helped prevent me from ending up in the hospital.

Edited June 24 by Roo Island

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Help. Not totally. Nitpicking are you?

 

Edit. After my 3rd jab I got covid. Just a minor cough and felt poor for a few days. The jab helped prevent me from ending up in the hospital.

so 3 jabs did not help to prevent you to catching covid.

 

Colour me surprised !

[Roo Island]

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

so 3 jabs did not help to prevent you to catching covid.

 

Colour me surprised !

Go away

[dinsdale]

13 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Any vaccine has side effects. But the benefits outweigh the risks. Bigly.

Seems some vaccines have a greater % of adverse events than others. 

https://www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/Corp/Documents/Health-for/Immunisation/Western-Australia-Vaccine-Safety-Surveillance-Annual-Report-2021.pdf

 

Excess mortality data is now being investigated. 

Edited June 24 by dinsdale

[johng]

what's the betting that the graph above is very similar in many other countries  adverse reactions data.

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

so 3 jabs did not help to prevent you to catching covid.

 

Colour me surprised !

 

We live in a clown world.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From the above cited document that's addressing about 4 million total COVID vaccine doses given in that jurisdiction during 2021::

 

Page 3:

"Adverse events following immunisation are defined as unwanted or unexpected events following
the administration of a vaccine, which could be mild, such as a sore arm, or serious, such as
anaphylaxis. AEFI also include conditions that may occur following the incorrect handling or
administration of a vaccine. The fact that an adverse event occurred following immunisation is not conclusive evidence that the event was caused by a vaccine. [emphasis added] Factors such as medical history, diagnostic testing, and other medication given near the time of vaccination must be examined to help determine the likely cause of an adverse event."

 

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Page 10:

"The reporting of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccines differed from adverse events following
routine vaccines in that the majority (58%) were reported by the vaccinee or a family member,
whereas the majority (79%) of routine vaccine AEFI were reported by a healthcare provider (Table
1)."

 

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Page 19:

 

https://www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/Corp/Documents/Health-for/Immunisation/Western-Australia-Vaccine-Safety-Surveillance-Annual-Report-2021.pdf

 

 

 

 

Edited June 24 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Having symptoms after getting a COVID vaccine may indicate robust immune response

June 11, 2024

 

"Headache, fatigue, malaise, and chills after COVID-19 vaccination are signs the immune system is marshalling a strong response against future infection, suggests a study posted today in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

 

University of California at San Francisco (UCSF) investigators analyzed serum neutralizing antibody (nAB) levels against the wild-type SARS-CoV-2 strain and daily symptom surveys in 363 unvaccinated, never-infected adults given two doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine in 2021.

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Higher antibody levels after second dose

One and 6 months after receipt of the second vaccine dose, fatigue, malaise, chills, and headache were each tied to 1.4- to 1.6-fold higher nAB concentrations. nAB levels in participants who experienced at least seven symptoms were nearly double the levels of those who reported no symptoms. 

 

(more)

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/having-symptoms-after-getting-covid-vaccine-may-indicate-robust-immune-response

 

 

[Amethyst]

The thread topic here is -- New COVID Sub-variant KP.2 on the Rise in Thailand -- not three-year-old vaccine safety reports from Western Australia. Please stay ON-TOPIC with future posting in this Thailand News thread.

[Roo Island]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Seems some vaccines have a greater % of adverse events than others. 

https://www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/Corp/Documents/Health-for/Immunisation/Western-Australia-Vaccine-Safety-Surveillance-Annual-Report-2021.pdf

 

Excess mortality data is now being investigated. 

That's a given. But as for covid, the benefits of the jab far outweighed the risk of side effects.