1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

You think you have "facts" from a hard left Uni paper that women can have a penis?

 

😆

 

OK boss.

 

I’ll go with what the science and the NHS have to say on the matter.

 

The stuff you ignore.

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I’ll go with what the science and the NHS have to say on the matter.

 

The stuff you ignore.

 

So to clarify, you think women can have a penis?

 

And men can have a vagina?

 

Is that your stance?

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

So to clarify, you think women can have a penis?

 

And men can have a vagina?

 

Is that your stance?

 

 

My stance is to believe what science and medical professionals have to say on the matter.

 

I have already provided links which you choose to dismiss and you very clearly did not read the NHS information I linked.

You on the other hand claimed scientific facts but refuse to accept science when it is presented. 

Here’s the NHS link again, you might want to read what it has to say.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/#:~:text=Some people have a chromosome,full physical development at puberty.

 

 

Edited June 27, 20242 yr by Chomper Higgot

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

My stance is to believe what science and medical professionals have to say on the matter.

 

I have already provided links which you choose to dismiss and you very clearly did not read the NHS information I linked.

You on the other hand claimed scientific facts but refuse to accept science when it is presented. 

Here’s the NHS link again, you might want to read what it has to say.

 

 

 

 

 

Ah avoiding the question again. It was a simple yes/no.

 

I realize it is a bit embarrassing to hold such ridiculous views, but if you won't even admit them we can't really have a debate. 

 

Ciao.

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Ah avoiding the question again. It was a simple yes/no.

 

I realize it is a bit embarrassing to hold such ridiculous views, but if you won't even admit them we can't really have a debate. 

 

Ciao.

I brought science to the debate, brought your fixation with other people’s genitalia and came without your reading glasses.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

This also reflects "their science" that another poster is trying to pass off as factual regarding how women can have a penis 

Which poster and where was 'penis' mentioned? I have not mentioned penis. The 'scientific facts' - your phrase - don't support your point of view, so you just make stuff up. You ignore the science and now want to focus on the word penis. It's as predictable as it is sad.

 

The world has a very big population. A very small part of this population do not fall into your little neat categories of 'normal' (your word). However, as the world population is very big, this small part still amounts to millions of people, which on its own is another big number. It essentially means we are talking about people in every village, town and city on this planet. Now, you may think that millions of people in a population of billions is not a meaningful number and should be ignored. Others disagree. People are allowed to disagree.

 

As history shows us that small groups have often been treated abysmally by larger groups, democratic countries who value human life, have legal protections for minority groups. This generally works very well, though all groups of people, large and small, have radical elements and activism and then there are issues that need discussing and measures taken to try and find compromise.

 

Previously, a lot of discussion about transgender on this forum has seen repeated posts about women having XX chromosomes, men XY and that was 'scientific fact'. Except it is not 'scientific fact'. There are many variations of this, with human beings born with XXX, XXY and numerous other variations (see link 1). There is also people born 'intersex' (see link 2).

 

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So to clarify, you think women can have a penis?

You have been proven wrong by science. Now you are suddenly obsessed with the word 'penis', which shows you have not actually read the science. Although a true hermaphrodite does not exist, some people are born with atypical genitalia presentations. Whilst this may cause the immature amongst us some school-boy humour, it is nonetheless true (see link 2).

 

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ah avoiding the question again. It was a simple yes/no.

Read the links below and stop being facetious. Especially here: "People who are intersex have genitals, chromosomes or reproductive organs that don’t fit into a male/female sex binary. Their genitals might not match their reproductive organs, or they may have traits of both. Being intersex may be evident at birth, childhood, later in adulthood or never. Being intersex isn’t a disorder, disease or condition".

 

All the groups above are a small percentage of the human population but live among us everywhere. The transgender community is also very small. Not all of the above groups are transgender and not all transgender fall into them; but the overlap is quite obvious.

 

If you want to ignore these millions of people, that's up to you. If you want to crack penis jokes, that's up to you. If you want to focus on perverted heterosexual men who might use the above to commit crimes, that's up to you. If you want to focus on the 0.01% of ladyboys who steal gold chains in Pattaya, that's up to you (that percent is an easy to read example, I should think it is much lower in reality). If you want to pick isolated incidents from billions of people and use them to smear a whole community, that's up to you. If you want to continually get frothed at the mouth over this compared to all of the much bigger problems - facing both women and society as a whole - that's up to you.

 

If you're obsessed with the penis, that's up to you.  (Though, it might be interesting to note that the most viewed porn site in the world (ends in 'hub') publishes its own metrics. It has had over 5 billion views and the sixth most viewed category is 'transgender').

 

Link 1: https://genetic.org/variations/

Link2: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

 

Edited June 27, 20242 yr by Pickwick
1. typo 2. link wrong location

13 hours ago, Pickwick said:

Which poster and where was 'penis' mentioned? I have not mentioned penis. The 'scientific facts' - your phrase - don't support your point of view, so you just make stuff up. You ignore the science and now want to focus on the word penis. It's as predictable as it is sad.

 

The world has a very big population. A very small part of this population do not fall into your little neat categories of 'normal' (your word). However, as the world population is very big, this small part still amounts to millions of people, which on its own is another big number. It essentially means we are talking about people in every village, town and city on this planet. Now, you may think that millions of people in a population of billions is not a meaningful number and should be ignored. Others disagree. People are allowed to disagree.

 

As history shows us that small groups have often been treated abysmally by larger groups, democratic countries who value human life, have legal protections for minority groups. This generally works very well, though all groups of people, large and small, have radical elements and activism and then there are issues that need discussing and measures taken to try and find compromise.

 

Previously, a lot of discussion about transgender on this forum has seen repeated posts about women having XX chromosomes, men XY and that was 'scientific fact'. Except it is not 'scientific fact'. There are many variations of this, with human beings born with XXX, XXY and numerous other variations (see link 1). There is also people born 'intersex' (see link 2).

 

You have been proven wrong by science. Now you are suddenly obsessed with the word 'penis', which shows you have not actually read the science. Although a true hermaphrodite does not exist, some people are born with atypical genitalia presentations. Whilst this may cause the immature amongst us some school-boy humour, it is nonetheless true (see link 2).

 

Read the links below and stop being facetious. Especially here: "People who are intersex have genitals, chromosomes or reproductive organs that don’t fit into a male/female sex binary. Their genitals might not match their reproductive organs, or they may have traits of both. Being intersex may be evident at birth, childhood, later in adulthood or never. Being intersex isn’t a disorder, disease or condition".

 

All the groups above are a small percentage of the human population but live among us everywhere. The transgender community is also very small. Not all of the above groups rare transgender and not all transgender fall into them; but the overlap is quite obvious.

 

If you want to ignore these millions of people, that's up to you. If you want to crack penis jokes, that's up to you. If you want to focus on perverted heterosexual men who might use the above to commit crimes, that's up to you. If you want to focus on the 0.01% of ladyboys who steal gold chains in Pattaya, that's up to you (that percent is an easy to read example, I should think it is much lower in reality). If you want to pick isolated incidents from billions of people and use them to smear a whole community, that's up to you. If you want to continually get frothed at the mouth over this compared to all of the much bigger problems - facing both women and society as a whole - that's up to you.

 

If you're obsessed with the penis, that's up to you.  (Though, it might be interesting to note that the most viewed porn site in the world (ends in 'hub') publishes its own metrics. It has had over 5 billion views and the sixth most viewed category is 'transgender').

 

Link 1: https://genetic.org/variations/

Link2: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

 

 

Go back and look, you lazy penis.