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Why are so many foreigners residing in Thailand problematic types?

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With a Long History in Thailand:

As someone who has been visiting Thailand since 2004, I've witnessed many fascinating changes in the Kingdom. Back then, English wasn't as widely spoken, but its prominence as the global business language is undeniable.

Shifting Travel Landscape:

Flying from the US to Thailand used to be much easier. Multiple flights from major cities like New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco created healthy competition, resulting in lower fares. Now, despite advancements in long-haul aircraft like those from Airbus and Boeing, there are fewer options for travelers.

Respectful Integration:

As for visitors in the Kingdom, it's important for everyone to respect Thai culture. Perhaps airlines flying into Thailand could consider creating short in-flight movies in the departing languages. These movies could introduce Thai cultural norms and highlight that visitors are guests with visa requirements. It would be a wonderful way to promote responsible and respectful tourism.

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    Hmmm....   another new account posting something potentially controversial and triggering...       

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    Good post. Give this man a nobel prize for literature.   

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    Mostly I am able to avoid most of those problematic types. 

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It's completely out of control at the moment. A mixture of Thai's operating a very soft approach and visitors taking advantage of the hospitality. I blame Russians, Brexit loving British types, and out of control Indians. 

12 hours ago, VBF said:

Trouble is that AI has overtaken moderation.

 

I am inclined to agree with @richard_smith237 when he opines that the OP is an AI effort, but if you don't have AI in mind, it looks very genuine and the points made in it could be that of a genuine poster.

Things to note are that the poster is very new and yet the post is very well presented and laid out.

 

AI is a great tool, but like most innovations it can be and is being hijacked for bad rather than good.  'Twas ever thus.

If the OP is an AI effort it is spectacular. Even then I think a lot of user input had to go into refining it. All the AI counterarguments posted here seem hamfisted in comparision.

 

All the points OP made are spot on.

 

Edited by zakalwe

11 hours ago, RSD1 said:


Yeah, it was like an entire one second. 

You could've fooled me!!!

 

14 hours ago, digger70 said:

Isn't that the same  with foreigners in Any Country?

This is nothing new. why worry one can't change that.

Humans in general are often dreadful beasts. It's not just retirees and tourists. Yep, "unpleasant, criminal, or otherwise problematic" describes people from almost anywhere. From my experience, it describes a lot of Thais, mostly men.  There are, of course, plenty of (as 'Murica's future megalomaniacal dictator describes) "fine people on both sides". 

22 hours ago, Maitdjai said:

You're a "real" hero! How many medals do you have already?

None.

 

What would you do in this situation with the never seen before farang getting angry / nasty / causing a scene about giving him a fake recommendation letter?

11 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

It's completely out of control at the moment. A mixture of Thai's operating a very soft approach and visitors taking advantage of the hospitality. I blame Russians, Brexit loving British types, and out of control Indians. 

OK, you don't like Russians and Indians, but why you don't like only the "Brexit loving British types"?
Are you British?

Possible to get some troublemakers every now and again. Nothing that can't be dealt with.

 

On 7/1/2024 at 1:10 PM, scorecard said:

my guess is that any of the farang you allude to have heard lots of negative stories / easy girls-boys, / laz rules etc etc. and that's what entices many to come here. 

 

One example: I was shopping in the robinsons supermarket on Suk'vt Road. An American ( I guess 35 years old) approached me (he introduced himself as a proud American, but no name of other details) and said "you have to write me a recommendation letter".

 

I responded "I don't know you, I've never seen you before" He replied "not important just do the right thing and write the letter".

 

I refused and walked away, he followed me and said loudly "what's your problem, why can't we all work together?"

 

I went to the cashiers desks and said in Thai "I have a problem with the farang following me, please call the manager". 

 

Manager came with 2 security guards. I spoke briefly to the manager who indicated they had previously had problems with the same guy and manager called the tourist police who have an office nearby.

 

Tourist police came quickly, they knew the farang, Snr said in English "We will take him direct to the immigration detention centre (IDC).  And the Snr cop quickly gave the instruction to 2 tourist cops who quickly handcuffed the guy and marched him off.

 

Snr Tourist police guy shared in English "Here in Bkk we take between 1 and 20 farang direct to the IDC every day. 

 

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

None.

 

What would you do in this situation with the never seen before farang getting angry / nasty / causing a scene about giving him a fake recommendation letter?

I wouldn't have started a 'kindergarten" circus.
Where is the "nasty" part in it?

So, the "nasty" person patiently waited with you, the cashier, the manager, and two security guards together for the Tourist police (3 cops)
to get handcuffed. How many spectators?
That is the "circus" part.

As they had previous problems with him, knowing he lurks around, why did Mr. Nasty not get detained before?
That is the "common sense" part.

Further, I doubt that the guy was holding his passport ready, to prove his "Overstay". Even that's not a ticket "directly" to the IDC.
That is the "wishlist" part.

Molesting is juridically an offense, nothing more, nothing less. And has nothing to do with the immigration law.
That's the "reality" part.

Nice story though, feeding the wishful thinking of the ASEAN Now "deporting" faction members,
and their narratives.

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On 6/29/2024 at 6:16 PM, Pouatchee said:

i've worked with teachers here, for nearly 20 years, and these people are supposed to be educated, empathetic and caring. most of these guys, and some women, are cheap, out at bars as if their lives depend on it, and selfish. i once had a nice steak dinner at my house and i had invited 3 teachers with gf's. not one bothered to bring a bottle of wine or beer. that was the last time i did that. 

 

generally most people here are in survival mode and this is not a great way to live. just ask some people here you think you see eye to eye with out for a beer and let me know the responses.

 

best advice, find a good lady and dont expect much from foreigners....

When a bar is their best friend, and for many expats it is, you cant expect much from the individual

On 6/29/2024 at 6:16 PM, Pouatchee said:

i've worked with teachers here, for nearly 20 years, and these people are supposed to be educated, empathetic and caring. most of these guys, and some women, are cheap, out at bars as if their lives depend on it, and selfish. i once had a nice steak dinner at my house and i had invited 3 teachers with gf's. not one bothered to bring a bottle of wine or beer. that was the last time i did that. 

 

generally most people here are in survival mode and this is not a great way to live. just ask some people here you think you see eye to eye with out for a beer and let me know the responses.

 

best advice, find a good lady and dont expect much from foreigners....

People that work teaching jobs here are usually skint. Those jobs don't pay much and for most people it's not worth it as an enjoyable occupation. They were probably coming to your place for the free food.

 

I had a soiree in Chiang Mai and that happened. People showed up for beer, song and music then just left at the end of the night. Nobody offered to chip in. Not surprising, people don't typically offer unless you ask with the invite. They just assume you are wealthy enough to cover it if you don't say anything.

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On 6/29/2024 at 8:23 PM, 123Stodg said:

I can't help but notice all the negative aspects about many of the expats I've come across in Thailand. It's disheartening to see that so many foreigners seem to fall into one of several categories: unpleasant, criminal, or otherwise problematic.

 

Firstly, the number of rude and disrespectful expats is staggering. It's as if some people left their manners at the airport. From obnoxious behavior in public to a complete lack of respect for Thai culture and people, these individuals don't add anything positive to the backdrop. It's also embarrassing and frustrating to witness. How hard is it to learn a few basic phrases in Thai, be a bit more polite, or follow simple cultural norms? Instead, we see loud, self-entitled behavior that screams, "I don't care about your country or your customs."

 

Secondly, the criminal element among some expats is alarming. Every other day, it seems like there's news of another foreigner involved in drugs, fraud, violence, some form of exploitation, or other illegal activities. It's as if Thailand has become a base for these unsavory characters. This not only tarnishes the reputation of the expat community but also undermines the safety and tranquility that many other expats came here seeking. Why should locals trust us foreigners when they see so many of our compatriots behaving so disgracefully?

 

Another troubling aspect is the noticeable lack of respect for local laws among some expats. Whether it's overstaying visas, working illegally, or engaging in shady business practices, these actions show a blatant disregard for the rules and regulations of the country that's hosting them. This kind of behavior only serves to alienate foreigners further from the local community.

 

The arrogance and superiority displayed by some expats is also deeply troubling. Many act as if they are better than the locals, displaying condescending attitudes and constantly complaining about Thailand and its people while refusing to adapt. This creates a toxic environment and further damages the relationship between expats and locals.

 

To add to the negativity, many expats seem perpetually angry, unfriendly, and dissatisfied with their lives in Thailand. It's baffling to see such resentment and unappreciative attitudes in people who have chosen to live in a foreign country. They complain endlessly about everything from the lack of safety to the frustrations with local customs, creating a cloud of negativity that affects everyone around them. Instead of appreciating the unique experiences and opportunities Thailand offers, these individuals seem to be stuck in a loop of dissatisfaction and bitterness, making it harder for other foreigners, who genuinely respect the country, to maintain good relations with locals.

 

Finally, there's the issue of health and hygiene. Some long-term expats neglect their health, often seen as very overweight, poorly groomed, and suffering from lifestyle-related illnesses due to poor diet, lack of physical activity and excessive alcohol consumption. This not only affects their quality of life but also perpetuates negative stereotypes about expats being unhealthy and unkempt.

 

Why is all this happening? Is it the lax visa regulations or the perception that Thailand is an easy place to hide that draws these types in? Whatever the reason, it's just sad and very disheartening.

A true analysis of ex-pat stereo types. I was cheekily saying to my wife just the other day when driving past five old, overweight, unshaved, bald farangs in dirty and ripped muscle shirts with hairy arms drinking beer that she should be glad she met me. There is context to this but suffice to say that we both laughed. I could rave on about thousands of Asians in Australia operating illegal businesses, operating without insurance, appropriate licenses and without paying taxes. Many of the various crime syndicates operating in Australia are run by foreigners. My ex-wife's best Thai friend went from one dodgy business venture to another and always tried to involve my wife with the lure of easy cash. It caused a lot of stress and arguments between us because I always had to talk her out of it. Your analysis only applies to a select few ex-pats just as only some immigrants in Australia decide to ignore laws, decency and common sense.

I for one don't drink, smoke or take drugs and never have. I pay taxes where appropriate and I do everything by the book. I have adopted the good Thai customs but reject the bad ones. For example, I greet everyone with a wai that wais me but I don't have affairs or beat up my wife. It is so prevalent and accepted by many Thai women in Thai society that men do these things (in private as not to lose face). My wife's ex-husband had many affairs but to save face, she endured it for another 15 years before she divorced him. The ex-husband of my wife's cousin had her arm broken by her now ex-husband - twice. Another Thai female friend's pregnant sister was beat up by her husband. He punched her in the stomach so that she had a miscarriage. The sister is still married to him. Did I mention that theses are all bad Thai men? I've asked many Thai women why they want a farang husband? All of them said that Thai men are selfish and violent. In their opinion, whether right or wrong, farang men are better. Puh, I'm not sure that that's a valid claim because I've witnessed Australian men beat up their female partners. Need I go on? I don't think ethnicity or skin colour has anything to do with your observations. If you cast the net wider, you'll find that you have identified typical selfish and criminal human behaviour. It's not unique to ex-pats.

I don't socialize with those types identified in your post anyway, and most farangs I know here are either law abiding retirees (like me) or they run a business under Thai law. The unshaven, beer-drinking types are in their own league - I'm not one of them - and while their behavior may inadvertently rub off on decent foreigners, those Thais that I regularly engage with know that I'm not one of them. That is why I pointed out the 5 farangs to my wife and we had a good laugh.

It’s mainly a money issue. I live on Soi 31. Everybody is pretty classy. I feel bad for a nice guys here on a low budget, because they really are stuck living with filth.

I know such a guy who lives at the Nana Plaza hotel. He’s pretty mellow, but sees a lot of bad behavior. Obviously.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

I know such a guy who lives at the Nana Plaza hotel.

You've got me so jealous now. It must be amazing having friends in such high places like that.

I know him from a Meetup. He was a victim of financial fraud. Good guy, interesting story, more an acquaintance than a friend.

18 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I know him from a Meetup. He was a victim of financial fraud. Good guy, interesting story, more an acquaintance than a friend.

To me, financial fraud stories are always uninteresting. It always comes down to the reality that a fool and his money are always easily separated.

Pretty much.

Bernard Madoff was my client for awhile. Hard to believe people Would bite on such an obvious scam. We went out to lunch twice.

He mostly preyed on old Jews, talking about his support for growing trees in Israel.

But the guy in question it’s a good guy. He’s fat, bald, broke, and he wants a hot girlfriend. I am more empathetic and sympathetic on that.

Now let’s wait for the sh bird to pop in and down vote me. He finally got that he’s not allowed into my conversations.

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