Opinion: Harm to Science of Promoting the Covid Lab Leak Hypothesis

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." -Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

 

Biden is super duper mentally fit and 51 agents say the laptop is so nof real.

 

What's your point.

[NoDisplayName]

33 minutes ago, rabas said:

but the confidence level was low

 

GIGO

[johng]

For what it's worth.

[johng]

Ohh dear !!! yet more crumbling of the narrative.

 

New York Times

"We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives"

 

when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China.

 

Read the full article here

https://archive.ph/dVWFI

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, johng said:

Ohh dear !!! yet more crumbling of the narrative.

 

New York Times

"We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives"

 

when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China.

 

Read the full article here

https://archive.ph/dVWFI

 

What about the 3rd hypothesis that gets 'no airplay' at all and is ridiculed with no actual evidence to dismiss it, i.e. that there was no sickness-creating virus.  Note that this does not mean that people did not get sick from 'something'.  It simply means that we should question the actual existence of any sickness-causing virus. Toxins can make you sick, and the debris of dead cells can be (willfully) mistaken for a virus. 

But strange as it may seem for anyone bombarded and indoctrinated by the theory that 'invisible' germs are causing people to get sick, a living virus has NEVER been isolated.  The whole field of 'virology' is nothing more than pseudo-science and a sick joke (pun intended).   

[Stiddle Mump]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

What about the 3rd hypothesis that gets 'no airplay' at all and is ridiculed with no actual evidence to dismiss it, i.e. that there was no sickness-creating virus.  Note that this does not mean that people did not get sick from 'something'.  It simply means that we should question the actual existence of any sickness-causing virus. Toxins can make you sick, and the debris of dead cells can be (willfully) mistaken for a virus. 

But strange as it may seem for anyone bombarded and indoctrinated by the theory that 'invisible' germs are causing people to get sick, a living virus has NEVER been isolated.  The whole field of 'virology' is nothing more than pseudo-science and a sick joke (pun intended).   

Well said Red.

 

I dispute that the 'virus' - as in covid - only became apparent to all professionals in 2020. It was on the table in the last quarter of 2019. a couple of pointers:

 

The Times of Israel had a front page splash in November of 2019 saying that a pandemic was on its way.

 

Bill Gates said (on the record) that Moderna was going to be big the following year. Moderna had tried to get their mRNA stuff through the US regulatory authorities; but failed. Only a pandemic, where there was no other relief or cure, would see the jabs authorised (under emergency use). Droxy and Iver anyone? Even vitamins were demonised.

 

Moderna had a 300 page patent ready to go on 2019. 

 

IMO, it was all planned, and orchestrated, by a handful of evil people. They in turn enlisted people in key positions, and the other white-coats followed like sheep.

 

Lab leak and wet market and bats? All utter drivel for the dumbsters to keep believing in a mystical virus. As Red says; one that has never been shown to exist by isolation.

[johng]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

What about the 3rd hypothesis that gets 'no airplay' at all and is ridiculed with no actual evidence to dismiss it, i.e. that there was no sickness-creating virus

 

At this point I can't rule anything out  given the lies,deceit and  propaganda of the

last few years..they really did shoot themself in the foot this time, a large portion of the population will never believe a word they say ever again.

[Stiddle Mump]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

 

At this point I can't rule anything out  given the lies,deceit and  propaganda of the

last few years..they really did shoot themself in the foot this time, a large portion of the population will never believe a word they say ever again.

Quite a few will not be alive to believe them either.

 

Dr D Cahill reckons that anyone who had a 'hot' jab will have serious reactions within 5 years.

[MicroB]

On 2/19/2025 at 3:07 AM, novacova said:

How about a simple induction of deduction. A mysterious virus appears in a fresh market 27km from a lab that hacks deadly viruses that was partially funded by hacks like Fauci who concealed such funding with the help of a communist controlled state that withheld information and are responsible for missing whistle blower scientists that worked at that lab. Well folks, theres your answer.

 

You deliberately withold the fact the lab is also a reference lab, though I doubt you understand what that means. You deliberately overstate the virulance of this novel virus (it was never a mysterious virus, it was of a type signposted since SARS and MERS).

 

The most likely explanation is still zoonitic transmission, as its the case for over 60% of EIDs in human history. The next, though rather more distant explanation is accidental release from the BSL2 reference lab. The next explanation, very unlikely, is accidental release of a modified virus from the French built BSL4 research lab. Of course, you can never rule out the possibility of a deranged scientist wafting an open test tube in the market.

 

 

You could also not rule out the Hollywood fantasy of the escaped lab monkey making friends with a little girl (Outbreak). I do though.

 

If they ever figure it out, you and I will be long dead. 107 years after Spanish Flu, we still don't really know where it came from. We are closer to knowing, but its not definitive, and the evidence is purely circumstantial.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/29/pentagon-anthrax-australia-2008

 

This article is missing a few details, notably the number of labs affected. It was hundreds of labs. I know most of the labs took few precautions, because they were assured the material was inert. The incident demonstrated its actually very difficult to initiate a consequential lab release. A Lancet study identified 16 lab incidents over a 20 year period leading to the accidental release of infectious material. 75% of releases involved bacteria.. That's an extremely low accident rate. Every single hospital will have at least one path lab where they are deliberately culturing infectious material from patient samples. Every single university will have research and teaching labs where they are deliberately and accidently cultivating infectious material.  There are about 50,000 medical device companies, about half of thoses are developing diagnostic tests, which involves cultivating infectious material. There are about 25,000 pharmaceutical companies, wth probably 10,000 of those working on anti-microbials, which, you guessed it, involves working with disease causting organisms, including those with antibiotic resistance. Every sewage works will employ pumps and an activated sludge method that does a pretty good job of generating Hep-C laden foam that gets blown around on the wind. All this theoretically hazardouz activity, and we've not been wiped out.

 

When Amerithrax happened (deliberate release of weaponised Anthrax through the US mail), two people died; one a woman in her 90s, and another an obese older man with a history of heart disease.

[MicroB]

On 3/20/2025 at 12:15 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

Quite a few will not be alive to believe them either.

 

Dr D Cahill reckons that anyone who had a 'hot' jab will have serious reactions within 5 years.

 

You mean Delores Cahill, former leader of the Irish Freedom Party, who also stated that wearing a face mask causes brain damage, who claimed the COVID PCR tests contained Ebola fragments, who said there was a plan to bomb Rotterdam to disrupt the European food supply. She had founded Protagen, which was sold to Oncimmune for $5.5m.

 

Anyhow, 90% of Brits alive in the 80s should be dead by now with nvCJD.

[Stiddle Mump]

7 hours ago, MicroB said:

You deliberately withold the fact the lab is also a reference lab, though I doubt you understand what that means. You deliberately overstate the virulance of this novel virus (it was never a mysterious virus, it was of a type signposted since SARS and MERS).

Poppycock Sir.

 

There is no such thing as a SARS or MERS virus. Simply made up nonsense by white-coats, and put into a computer.